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Mon Oct 28 15:39:32 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA18209; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA30848 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:02:40 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA30840 for libertylaw; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:02:36 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA30836 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:02:28 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA29746 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 96 17:03:22 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05981; Mon, 28 Oct 96 13:52:14 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3275391A@msgate2>; Mon, 28 Oct 96 14:52:10 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Joseph Dale Robertson Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Research Point Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 13:50:00 PST Message-Id: <3275391A@msgate2> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: d437c452be23da177c4b0f39a56969bb ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >1. As it pertains to "income" as defined under Title 26 of the United >States Code, are individuals within the various 50 states within the >definition of "United States"? Income is "profit or gain", not payment for services. The "United States" is defined by the Hooven and Allison case (1945). >2. Who is required to file a return? "Taxpayers" are required to file. The term "taxpayer" is narrowly defined. And remember Title 26 is NOT law. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 23:20:57 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA25819; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:58:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02898 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:37:04 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02891 for libertylaw; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:37:02 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02889 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:37:00 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24641 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 20:17:35 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16682; Tue, 29 Oct 96 17:07:41 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3276B868@msgate2>; Tue, 29 Oct 96 18:07:36 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Decoder help Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 17:06:00 PST Message-Id: <3276B868@msgate2> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 8098f2a1ee8a95e42472b03eab983eef ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Hi all, For those of you who may still be having problems decoding email files there is a Shareware utility called Xfer Pro. It also encodes files. Look for it on the Web as: XFERP110.ZIP It works in Windows 3.1 or newer. It does UU, XX, MIME, BinHex Lyle From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 23:21:01 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA07512; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03207 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:05:17 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03200 for libertylaw; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:05:15 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03198 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:05:13 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA27036 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 96 20:32:14 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16846; Tue, 29 Oct 96 17:20:59 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3276BB87@msgate2>; Tue, 29 Oct 96 18:20:55 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: text wrappings Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 17:19:00 PST Message-Id: <3276BB87@msgate2> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 909d03aac591ffeca2b08a17938920f8 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >With all due respect, I for one, do not like the newsletter style message. >I like messages to look like a letter and will continue to post as I always >have. > >The remedy to change this is to make a motion, get a second and see if the >votes come in your favor. Then when someone abridges the rule you file a >complaint and get sanctions. >~Tom Clark With all due respect....this idea is lame. Making a motion and voting on FORMATTING of email. What does this have to do with Liberty and restoring Constitutional order in America? I know I complain about trivial things at times, but this is major trivia. Paul has good points AFA speed reading goes. But there are those of us who have servers with page limits, like mine limited to two pages that I can transmit. Responding to a "Newspaper style" post that is long, because of formatting, becomes impossible. Let this dog die a timely death. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 15:58:23 1996 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA01854 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00330 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:17:00 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25635; Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:10:08 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3277E04B@msgate2>; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:10:03 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: text wrapping Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:08:00 PST Message-Id: <3277E04B@msgate2> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 1cdfc4325e501a44eff7e1a365f05f9b Paul, Please, this is not a newspaper. I understand fully what you are trying to talk about as do most of the rest of the members. It does get hard to read conversations that get forwarded multiple times. But maybe people should rather get in the habit of NOT forwarding the entire text of every message they get. Only forward the sections which you may be directly commenting on. This saves BANDWIDTH as well. Too many people have the habit of forwarding an entire BOOK with a ONE LINE COMMENT added in. I think your request is going to continue to fall on deaf ears. Habits are hard to break. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 16:08:23 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA02362; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA13373 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:59:07 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA13366 for libertylaw; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:59:04 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13364 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:59:03 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00330 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:17:00 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25635; Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:10:08 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3277E04B@msgate2>; Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:10:03 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: text wrapping Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:08:00 PST Message-Id: <3277E04B@msgate2> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 7056a14567a4f0ccb70270a4d400ce14 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Paul, Please, this is not a newspaper. I understand fully what you are trying to talk about as do most of the rest of the members. It does get hard to read conversations that get forwarded multiple times. But maybe people should rather get in the habit of NOT forwarding the entire text of every message they get. Only forward the sections which you may be directly commenting on. This saves BANDWIDTH as well. Too many people have the habit of forwarding an entire BOOK with a ONE LINE COMMENT added in. I think your request is going to continue to fall on deaf ears. Habits are hard to break. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 19:31:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA09725; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:30:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA16821 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:34:16 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA16814 for libertylaw; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:34:14 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA16812 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:34:13 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA28800 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:17:46 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27521; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:13:15 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3277FD2A@msgate2>; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:13:14 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Text wrapping demo Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:12:00 PST Message-Id: <3277FD2A@msgate2> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 470d494257c7621d627a795414cf48b8 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I experienced NO problem what-so-ever. The only "wrapping" I saw was the manufactured wrap which was set by Paul, for his "demo". I run my system at 1024 x 768 line rate with "small font" enabled. It is much "easier" on the eyes, believe or not. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 20:10:59 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA07914; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA17357 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:50:30 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA17343 for libertylaw; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:50:24 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA17337 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:50:22 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA00952 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:32:31 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27702; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:25:56 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32780022@msgate2>; Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:25:54 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: viewing files Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:25:00 PST Message-Id: <32780022@msgate2> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 18cfea0c191ffcdde55b1533862961f6 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= With Windows and MSMail and my system running at 1024 x 768 (256 color), my full screen edit window for email can contain strings as long as 143 characters, before wrapping occurs. Yeah I know Paul, I wouldn't want to get a letter that was formatted like that because it would be tedious, to say the least, to read. The lines would be just too long to keep a good reference. Especially if they were beginning to wrap! But as it is I have a long way to go before I experience any problem with wrapping. I still think that this is NOT a problem. Just an inconvenience, for some of you. Lyle Charles Iver From ???@??? Mon Nov 04 16:34:14 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA10884 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:32:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA20041 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:30:45 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA20031 for libertylaw; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:30:41 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20026 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:30:30 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA16706 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 96 18:02:07 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07976; Mon, 4 Nov 96 14:52:08 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <327E7395@msgate2>; Mon, 04 Nov 96 14:52:05 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Clintons, Starr, Indictments & Electoral College Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 14:50:00 PST Message-Id: <327E7395@msgate2> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e00c4e54891c49fb43384a5e79404a88 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >This whole concept is patently absurd and silly. Electors have a moral, >if not a legal, duty to cast their vote for the candidate who gains a >plurality in their state. Who could expect them to override the voters of >their state? Only impeachment would be the proper avenue if a President >is guilty of high crimes or misdemeanors. > >--Andrew Lehr >Common Law Network POP! (Andrews head coming out of sand!) Sorry Andrew I have to disagree with you. The Electors have no "legal" duty to abide by the vote in MOST places. You can spout "morals" all you want. We all know that "they" haven't any. AFA, impeachment goes, he will probably resign first. It all depends on who has the stinky stuff on whom? How many people are going to be sacrificed to regain the throne? Politics is a sorry game. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 12:17:57 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA21601 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06635 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:53:13 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06626 for libertylaw; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:53:11 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06623 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:53:08 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA12236 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 96 13:17:26 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16239; Tue, 5 Nov 96 10:13:47 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <327F83D7@msgate2>; Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:13:43 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: The fall Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:12:00 PST Message-Id: <327F83D7@msgate2> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: d98fb23612fcf8c61e93c3cdf4bfebda ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= In my heart, I wish you well Paul. In my mind and in my conscience, I hope that if you do succeed, you have a plan to help the Republic in which you abide to work through the hardest times it will most likely ever see. Before acting rashly, understand the consequences of your actions. William Gordon: Kay ==================================================== I can not agree with this train of thought at all. This is to say "don't upset the apple cart, until you've found another tree!" Yes we may well go through more hard times. The FED has already issued warning that ANY attempt by the United States to NOT honor it's "so-called" debt, will make "borrowing" much harder for a long time for the American PUBLIC. I say let it fall. The sooner the better. My child will not have to endure my hardships. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 12:18:00 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA23679 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07351 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:10:55 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07343 for libertylaw; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:10:53 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA07340 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:10:51 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13934 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 96 13:32:47 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16419; Tue, 5 Nov 96 10:23:35 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <327F8622@msgate2>; Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:23:30 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Statue to honor Clinton committee Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:22:00 PST Message-Id: <327F8622@msgate2> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 3d00690bcde1e427f5622f66b9edf68b ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Dear Friend, I have the distinguished honor of being on the committee for raising five million dollars to place a statue of Bill Clinton in the Hall of Fame in Washington, D.C. This committee was in quandary as to where to place the statue. It was not wise to place it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, nor Jesse Jackson, who never told the truth, since Bill Clinton could never tell the difference. We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the greatest Democrat of all. He left, not knowing where he was going, and upon arriving, did not know where he has. He returned not knowing where he had been, and did it all on borrowed money. Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the Children of Israel; "Pick up your shovels, mount your assess and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land." Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said; 'Lay down your shovels, sit on your assess, and light up a camel. This is the Promised Land." Now, Bill Clinton is going to steal your shovels, kick your assess, raise the price of camels, and mortgage the Promised Land. It you are one of the fortunate people who has any money left, after paying taxes, we will expect a generous donation, as a contribution to this worthwhile project. Sincerely, BILL CLINTON STATUE COMMITTEE ---- End Forwarded Message From ???@??? Tue Nov 05 13:15:22 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA02998 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA09094 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:10:32 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA09084 for libertylaw; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:10:25 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09082 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:10:12 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18051 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 96 14:02:22 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16809; Tue, 5 Nov 96 10:50:41 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <327F8C7C@msgate2>; Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:50:36 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: distribution:@sierra.UUCP@uu4.psi.com;@blake.sharpcomm.com; (see end of body) Cc: "slack.doyle" , "smith.rick" , "babella.banipal" , "dawkins.steve" , "dawson.ron" , "emerson.bill" , "massamormile.bill" , patriots Cc: "sheffield.rick" , "trujillo.rudy" Subject: LLAW: Look for trouble today in California Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:49:00 PST Message-Id: <327F8C7C@msgate2> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e02916276dcf2a72e9f8c2633a900dd7 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Hi all, Heard this yesterday on the radio, KSFO 560 AM. (www.ksfo560.com) There is a group of concerned citizens who want to ensure that the law is upheld today during the election. There is a law which states that if you are an illegal immigrant, or you are NOT a citizen, it is illegal for you to vote. Simple, right? Wrong!!!!!! All they want to do is stand "outside" with signs which basically state "the law". Someone got wind of what they wanted to do, and the state got involved, and the voter registration office got involved..... What it comes down to is "they" said that it would be considered "intimidation" and if any "complaints" were lodged there would be "legal" actions taken. All for wanting to "uphold" the law. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. %%% overflow headers %%% Cc: "bush.daulton" , "chu.edith" , "sugasawara.daryl" , "davis.michael" , "defiore.john" , "fasheh.maher" , "hall.george" , "maclaren.tom" , "norman.dan" , "sampson.john" , "sheek.coy" %%% end overflow headers %%% From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 13:12:14 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA21763 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:20:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA06279 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:12:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /usr/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01802 for libertylaw; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:36:20 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01800 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:36:18 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA22179 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 96 19:02:47 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02394; Wed, 6 Nov 96 16:04:06 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32812772@msgate2>; Wed, 06 Nov 96 16:04:02 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: The fall Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 16:02:00 PST Message-Id: <32812772@msgate2> Encoding: 67 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: aec47fd0fc654f5f847fb723875429ae ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= William Gordon writes to Paul: >Before acting rashly, understand the consequences >of your actions. I (Lyle) answered: > I can not agree with this train of thought at all. This is to say "don't > upset the apple cart, until you've found another tree!" WG writes to me (Lyle): >There are those of us around the Americas of whom are setting >up Jural Societies based on the Law of God. Is this the >"tree" of which you speak? The tree of which I speak is a red herring. You were addressing Paul and telling him to not act before knowing what the consequences of his actions would be. Drivel. We know not what the beast will do, for sure, when it is cornered. But it MUST BE cornered in order to subdue it. It MUST BE exposed. Jural Societies may well be the answer, but MOST of America hasn't heard the question yet. >> Yes we may well go through more hard times. The FED has already >> issued warning that ANY attempt by the United States to NOT honor >> it's "so-called" debt, will make "borrowing" much harder for a long >> time for the American PUBLIC. WG writes: >Borrow? Borrow what? Whom, in their right mind, would want >to borrow debt? Whom in their right mind would want to >borrow a fiction? Whom in their right mind would agree to >put up substance for whisps of wind? That would be folly. >That would be tantamount to trading your cow for a handful of >beans. >The actual debt the FEDERAL RESERVE is claims it is owed, is >fictitious, in that they never gave anything for something. >It's called fraud. (snip) Preaching to the choir.....or shooting the messenger, take your pick. I'm ONLY repeating what "Greenspan" told Congress. WG writes: >If you want to change the direction of the government, which >is a corporation -a business- then go right ahead. When >you're done, you'll still have a business, with no more >authority than that of which they claimed originally; >however, For some reason you are assuming nobody knows these things but you. This is what we have been discussing for some time now. I do NOT want to merely change the "direction" of the de facto corporate government. Assuming things makes one appear ignorant. You seem to believe that your Jural Societies are "automatically" valid, because you say so. The people give validity. Until enough people are awakened, you will be pissing in the wind more often than not.Welcome to the group. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 13:25:15 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA12408 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:23:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA28619 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /usr/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA28612 for libertylaw; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:00 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28605 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:50:55 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13456 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 96 14:17:29 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10464; Thu, 7 Nov 96 11:10:23 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3282341A@msgate2>; Thu, 07 Nov 96 11:10:18 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Sad to be American (off topic) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 11:09:00 PST Message-Id: <3282341A@msgate2> Encoding: 56 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 496a69627acba2ec3f502eee25eea458 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Hi all, Caught a few minutes of the Pat Bullard show this AM as I usually do before trudging off to work. I like him, as he usually makes fun of the stupid things around us in our lives. Todays show had a person who makes his own products (food) from stuff around the house. I'm talking about specialty food items such as Snapple, flavored iced tea, he makes his own. Simple. They needed a volunteer from the audience to "sample" his version and the real thing to see if they could tell the difference. A "white boy" around fourteen years old was called from the audience. He was given the first glass to "sample". As he was chugging and gulping it down, Pat started to make fun of him for not just "sampling" the drink. He asked him when was the last time he had a drink. Unwavered by the commentary, the young lad was handed the second drink to "sample". Again the chugging and gulping even worse the second time because now he is also pouring too fast and dribbling out the sides of his mouth and down his chin. To make a long sad story even worse, when the lad was asked which one was the Snapple, the entire point of the "sampling test". He responded with "Do you mean which one did I like?" I could have cried. This is Americas' finest. Our future is in their hands. And they might be able to read by the third grade. I was reading and writing before I started Kindergarten. In second grade I was doing fifth grade math. What has happened to America? We are being "dumbed down", so as to better compete with the rest of the world. Mario Cuomo made me puke with his comment that he wanted to see American students be the smartest in the world. At one time WE WERE!!!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Nov 07 16:24:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA12628 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:51:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01511 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:52:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /usr/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01504 for libertylaw; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:52:25 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA01502 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:52:15 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07640 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 96 17:34:11 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12866; Thu, 7 Nov 96 14:34:13 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328263DF@msgate2>; Thu, 07 Nov 96 14:34:07 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Public Notice Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 14:32:00 PST Message-Id: <328263DF@msgate2> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e504c6c4aea87bb69b8284a8ae6287b9 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= PUBLIC NOTICE This is to notify and record the pending transaction between myself.... Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. and Robert Wangrud, BEHOLD, et al. In exchange for legal tender, amount confidential, I am to receive real property which consists of intellectual services and goods. Pertaining to, but not limited to, Social Security recission and the proper procedure involving the use of a "Demand for a Bill of Particulars". /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. November, 7, 1996 From ???@??? Fri Nov 08 17:03:58 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA11945 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA31020 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /usr/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA31012 for libertylaw; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:46:46 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA31003 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:46:22 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14752 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 96 15:02:59 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23054; Fri, 8 Nov 96 12:02:45 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328391DF@msgate2>; Fri, 08 Nov 96 12:02:39 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: behold Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Mail sent Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 12:00:00 PST Message-Id: <328391DF@msgate2> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: cb276845661324d9ed40bd9c51302bc2 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Bob, This AM, 11/8/96, I mailed to you per your instructions, the money requested for your services. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Nov 11 14:22:44 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA15813 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:13:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA11553 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA11544 for libertylaw; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:00:01 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11542 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:59:54 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA26938 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 96 13:33:12 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20029; Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:31:06 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328770E3@msgate2>; Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:30:59 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: The fall Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:29:00 PST Message-Id: <328770E3@msgate2> Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e973663382318125085c55fdc2ca3272 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= William Gordon writes: >Why can the 'de facto' government do things in a one hundred >and eighty degrees relation to the confines of the >constitution? Answer THAT question and you are on the road >to somewhere; otherwise, you're doing nothing which hasn't >already been tried elsewhere, and if not failing initially, >failes eventually. A subject on point. A friend of mine >has a close friend within the IRS. This person informed him >that the IRS "allows" issues to move forward in issues in >only a few cases, in order to be able to create a pool of >"tax protesters" with which to come in later and nail them. >Take for instance the 1040NR. People would file the 1040NR >claiming to be a foreign person, putting an N/A in the slot >on the 1040NR requesting a SSI number; however, when they >attached the W2 with the 1040NR, there on the face of it was >the SSI number. The IRS knew this was happening, but allowed >it. Then, when the "patriot" community latched onto the >scheme, they waited for a "certain percentage" to involve >themselves, bringing innocent "uniformed" folks into the >scheme with them, and rolled over them. (there were a few New >York City policemen who were in line for a major downfall >because of that scheme) Bang bang, they're shot down, pay the >fines, pay the interest, or face intent to defraud charges, >thank you very much, have a nice day. > >If you use the rules, laws, codes, regulations, or statutes >of any venue, then you are deemed to fall under that venue. >As for me... I simply choose not to place myself into their >venue, thank you very much. >In Search of Truth and Knowledge, I am the one called by >William Gordon of the family Kay. We are coming from the same place, but haven't found each other yet. We speak the same language, but aren't able to hear each other. AFA, the IRS goes. I don't pay them a dime. I have a regular job. I pay Social Security, because I haven't removed myself from their system. I also pay MediCare, as it is tied to SSA. My employer DOES not deduct taxes from my regular or overtime pay. My bonuses are taxed at %28. My stock options are dealt with like any other stock purchase. Very few people actually could be said to HAVE TO PAY INCOME TAX. You CAN beat them. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Nov 11 14:23:09 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA03412 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12664 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:53:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12656 for libertylaw; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:53:29 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12653 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:53:26 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA28937 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 96 13:48:34 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20476; Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:49:31 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32877534@msgate2>; Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:49:24 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Felony Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:48:00 PST Message-Id: <32877534@msgate2> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 75fc821baad7945181a7142a63220f71 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I would tend to agree with John Edward on this point. To wit...A Felony is a crime which "appears" to be prosecuted "at common law". Under common law there must be a victim or injured party in order for a "crime" to have been commited. No victim, no crime. Growing Hemp or marijuana, is prosecuted, currently as a felony if they tag on "with intent to sell". This is possably where they can invent a victim, society. Lyle Charles Iver ================================================================ FELONY, crimes. An offence which occasions a total forfeiture of. either lands or goods, or both, at common law, to which capital or other punishment may be super-added, according to the degree of guilt. 4 Bl. Com, 94, 5; 1 Russ. Cr. *42; 1 Chit. Pract. 14; Co. Litt . 391; 1 Hawk. P. C. c. 37; 5 Wheat. R. 153, 159. It seems to me that felony MUST have an injured party, ie rape, murder, assault, robery [armed]...who is the injured party in the case of Ralph creating a new "Qualifed Electors" form modeled after the "Voter Registration" form? Who would be the Characters coming against him in the criminal action? What are the true characters of the injured party(ies) who fell victim to the felonious act? Prove that the true intent of the statutes covering said felony operate on a character of his type and status. These are some things I would want to know in any case. What is the law and challenge its application to free men on the land. John Edward From ???@??? Mon Nov 11 14:22:53 1996 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA02684 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:32:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA02843 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 96 14:17:23 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20898; Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:11:34 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32877A5F@msgate2>; Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:11:27 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:11:00 PST Message-Id: <32877A5F@msgate2> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 73bda411e7829bfb3685d0a76e06c38e Yes please send! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Hello Americans, I obtained a color photo of Clinton raising his left hand into the air, with hand extended. So, I could not resist using the "mirror" function in my scanner software, and I scanned it left-for-right. Anybody who wants the .BMP file of Chancellor Clinton launching the Fourth Reich, please request it here, with your preferred encoding: BinHex, MIME, or Uuencode. Ask for: NAZIBILL.BMP /s/ Paul Mitchell P.S. The hands are red (in places). =========================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state =========================================================== From ???@??? Mon Nov 11 17:13:53 1996 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA13460 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:13:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07524 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 96 19:01:51 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24685; Mon, 11 Nov 96 16:00:18 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3287BE0B@msgate2>; Mon, 11 Nov 96 16:00:11 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: NAZIBILL.BMP Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 15:59:00 PST Message-Id: <3287BE0B@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 7fff2f4af1ac0818a4a523bc63e608dd BinHex is fine. I can do all you mentioned. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: NAZIBILL.BMP Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 3:20PM At 11:11 AM 11/11/96 PST, you wrote: > >Yes please send! > >Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. what encoding? /s/ Paul Mitchell From ???@??? Mon Nov 11 18:54:01 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA22851 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA26514 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:51:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA26506 for libertylaw; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:51:30 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA26502 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:51:26 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA17056 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 96 20:32:17 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25777; Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:28:33 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3287D2BA@msgate2>; Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:28:26 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Is the war over? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:27:00 PST Message-Id: <3287D2BA@msgate2> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: bbf3e897337037475130b84f025c9c46 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= William Gordon writes: >An intriguing point. Think about this: If there is no >"surrender" or "suit for peace," under the Law of Nations and >the Law of War, does the war cease? President Davis sent the >Legislature of the Confederacy home, then headed for the >hills -Okay the swamps- of Florida, where he was eventually >captured by the Union. > >There has been no surrender of the "nation" of the >Confederacy. How then, pray tell, could any issue following >that fact stand in law? ============================================================ Case in point: The Korean War. It has been reported lately that the Korean War is not "officially" over. What then does it take to end a war "officially". If it is not ended by the two sides merely going home. Lyle Charles Iver From ???@??? Wed Nov 13 13:46:00 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA18757 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA16540 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:29:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA16531 for libertylaw; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:29:04 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16527 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:28:56 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06506 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 96 14:32:09 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12358; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:33:50 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328A229D@msgate2>; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:33:49 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Richard Ginn, applicant Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:32:00 PST Message-Id: <328A229D@msgate2> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 986b804b9f721c10299ce723f1a0a1ca ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= At 06:32 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Paul, > >Thankyou for offering to sponsor me to the libertylaw mailing list, I >would like to join to see what it is about, and to ask if the other list >members would be interested in carrying the conversation I am having with >a few other people regarding the matter of constitutional jurisdiction >and its application to ending the war on drugs, traffic courts, and other >abuses. > >There are 2 other main people who are interested in having me start a >list for this purpose, but we could also hold the conversation on llaw if >that works for everyone. > >We plan to cover theory and practice, and also the origins of the problem >back to the Titles of Nobility Amendment (rediscovered by one of the 2 >who want to start a list with me). > >What do you think? If we start a separate list I would like to invite >you to join us, if we join llaw we may have either a bigger audience >(participating) or more people just listening... > >Richard. > > ============================================================= The 13th Amendment as lawfully submitted to Congress is also a pet concern of mine. It is "one" of the "keys". I say welcome aboard Richard Ginn! I vote to let him join. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Nov 13 14:27:16 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA18947 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA16253 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA16246 for libertylaw; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:08:56 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16244 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:08:51 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08511 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 96 14:47:13 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12411; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:36:41 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328A2347@msgate2>; Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:36:39 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Ironclad Law of Prohibition Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 11:35:00 PST Message-Id: <328A2347@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: dd6ef070e71a182512bae95cef33b520 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= %100 Correct. It has always been about MONEY! Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= This is the Ironclad Law of Prohibition: When you prohibit any substance, the price of that substance skyrockets. The government benefits from such a prohibition, particularly when the government runs a monopoly for the substance. So, at the base of the drug war is raw economics (read "greed"). Got it? /s/ Paul Mitchell From ???@??? Thu Nov 14 12:19:06 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA00835 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09478 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:51:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09471 for libertylaw; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:51:50 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09469 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:51:48 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA25963 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:04:58 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20083; Thu, 14 Nov 96 10:05:16 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328B5F5A@msgate2>; Thu, 14 Nov 96 10:05:14 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: "the State" and th Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 10:04:00 PST Message-Id: <328B5F5A@msgate2> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: a4fa967744a14ead77dd22f9b6de3e4c ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (snipped)> It is my suspicion, (and I believe Wayne Hage has documentation,) that the national debt is now collateralized by "federally owned" and "controlled" lands. Ergo, should be no surprise at the galloping government grab for land. (Recent examples: Utah, Heritage Areas, CRP environmental easements, land exchanges of "public" lands with clouded title for previously patented lands, increase in creation of Indian reservations under federal trust and on, and on.) If so, then FRN is now backed by real property. Marcia A. =========================================== What makes this even worse is that the "lands" in question, our national parks etc., have VAST GOLD reserves, as well as oil, timber, etc. They have given away more than just land. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Nov 14 17:47:48 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA17506 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:12:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA14358 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA14351 for libertylaw; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:12:36 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14327 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:12:12 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA25005 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 96 16:47:40 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22025; Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:35:07 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328B9089@msgate2>; Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:35:05 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: behold Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Public Notice Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:34:00 PST Message-Id: <328B9089@msgate2> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9076dd55f558fe009a38e65e047255df ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Public Notice November 14, 1996 This is to notice that on this day, November 14, 1996 a package was received by Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. The package was from BEHOLD. It arrived in unopened condition, and its contents are deemed satisfactory for the "agreed" price. /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. P.S. Bob, I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!! From ???@??? Fri Nov 15 12:32:48 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA04773 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA00593 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:49:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA00585 for libertylaw; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:49:22 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00507 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:46:37 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06789 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:03:25 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29019; Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:03:53 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <328CB087@msgate2>; Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:03:51 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Cal Const. Art 20 Sec. 22 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:02:00 PST Message-Id: <328CB087@msgate2> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: fae1b733cda59a1220b26b0f6a28e409 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Thats not quite how I read it. The first part...The State of California, is the OBJECT whose power, or lack of, is being defined. It could be the Buck Act State that is being defined, or the de jure State. Which? The second part...subject to to Internal Reveune laws of the United States, is implying, to me, the Buck Act State. Remeber...if it's not included, it's excluded. Also this particular section ONLY addresses Alcohol. But you're probably right in your assumption that the State (Buck Act) is "subject to" Internal Revenue laws. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= This leads me to believe that the State is subject to internal revenue rules, regs and laws even as it pertains to the collection [extortion] of State Income Tax...ie the FTB must comply to IRS rules regs and statutes since "they are subject to" being part of the State of California de facto federal State/Corporation. Your comments and any info you can add is most appreciated. John Edward CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 20 MISCELLANEOUS SUBJECTS SEC. 22. The State of California, subject to the internal revenue laws of the United States, shall have the exclusive right and power to license and regulate the manufacture, sale, purchase, possession and transportation of alcoholic beverages within the State, and subject to the laws of the United States regulating commerce between foreign nations and among the states shall have the exclusive right and power to regulate the importation into and exportation from the State, of alcoholic beverages. In the exercise of these rights and powers, the Legislature shall not constitute the State or any agency thereof a manufacturer or seller of alcoholic beverages. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 17:50:18 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA02742 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA26480 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:53:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA26473 for libertylaw; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:53:41 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26468 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:53:35 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA17908 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 96 14:17:55 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20909; Mon, 18 Nov 96 11:13:42 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3290B562@msgate2>; Mon, 18 Nov 96 11:13:38 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Cal Const. Art Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 11:12:00 PST Message-Id: <3290B562@msgate2> Encoding: 76 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: c913ad1aadacfc48c6877ce25ce1da58 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= John, Read again what I said. We happen to agree. I purported that the "regs" pertain to the Buck Act or de facto State. While the de jure State is left untouched. Also, the first comma, separates the definition of "the State", from "what" it may be "subject to". Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Re-read the first sentence again Lyle, there is a comma separating the following, The State of California, subject to the internal revenue laws of the United States, ...then here is where the alcohol stuff falls in. What is between the commas is a fact separate from the rest of the body even if it is related. The above states imo that the State of California is SUBJECT TO the Internal Revenue laws of the United States all the time when they are operating on par with the other federal states. John Edward ======================================================================= That's not quite how I read it. The first part...The State of California, is the OBJECT whose power, or lack of, is being defined. It could be the Buck Act State that is being defined, or the de jure State. Which? The second part...subject to Internal Revenue laws of the United States, is implying, to me, the Buck Act State. Remember...if it's not included, it's excluded. Also this particular section ONLY addresses Alcohol. But you're probably right in your assumption that the State (Buck Act) is "subject to" Internal Revenue laws. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= This leads me to believe that the State is subject to internal revenue rules, regs and laws even as it pertains to the collection [extortion] of State Income Tax...ie the FTB must comply to IRS rules regs and statutes since "they are subject to" being part of the State of California de facto federal State/Corporation. Your comments and any info you can add is most appreciated. John Edward CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 20 MISCELLANEOUS SUBJECTS SEC. 22. The State of California, subject to the internal revenue laws of the United States, shall have the exclusive right and power to license and regulate the manufacture, sale, purchase, possession and transportation of alcoholic beverages within the State, and subject to the laws of the United States regulating commerce between foreign nations and among the states shall have the exclusive right and power to regulate the importation into and exportation from the State, of alcoholic beverages. In the exercise of these rights and powers, the Legislature shall not constitute the State or any agency thereof a manufacturer or seller of alcoholic beverages. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 17:59:47 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA26124 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA20235 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:27:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA20225 for libertylaw; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:27:12 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20223 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:27:01 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13500 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 96 18:03:13 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04209; Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:58:42 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32923B9D@msgate2>; Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:58:37 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: IRS attacks (again) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:58:00 PST Message-Id: <32923B9D@msgate2> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 80582866cc6d529a0ae6a59cce374d6f Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Just received a letter today from Fresno IRS. They have "recalculated" my return for 1994. They basically removed ALL of my exemptions and itemized deductions. They now say I owe them $13,000 in back taxes, $2,000 interest, $2,000 in penalties. Here we go again! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 18:05:57 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA06280 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA17550 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:06:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA17543 for libertylaw; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:06:10 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17538 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:06:05 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA05418 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 96 13:47:32 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12496; Wed, 20 Nov 96 10:46:56 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3293521B@msgate2>; Wed, 20 Nov 96 10:46:51 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: IRS attacks (again) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 10:46:00 PST Message-Id: <3293521B@msgate2> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: f1462f0038f5f753ed1a279852565a9d Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= ======================================================================= On Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:58:00 PST "myhr.lyle" writes: >Just received a letter today from Fresno IRS. >They have "recalculated" my return for 1994. Why did you file a return? Chances are that you committed perjury when you signed the return. It specifically states: "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have _examined_ this return _and_ accompanying schedules and statements,...." (Emphasis added) If you would have done like you declared that you did, you would have seen that the I.R. Code doesn't even apply to you. You made yourself liable for the tax, when it didn't have anything to do with you. There is no way, I would sign anything under "penalties of perjury." ======================================================================= John, Ummmm, you're preaching to the choir. I know how to handle the beast. You assume wrong. The "return" mentioned was for 1994. I have not filed since. I won't file. The "code" DOES apply to us, but it is VERY limited. Everyone should read o83 and o7655. Understand the beast, then slay the SOB. My notice to the list was just to inform of another attempt by the beast to subdue me. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 18:06:21 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA20861 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA18831 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:52:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA18824 for libertylaw; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:52:06 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA18821 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:52:04 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13440 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 96 14:32:40 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13112; Wed, 20 Nov 96 11:33:59 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32935D22@msgate2>; Wed, 20 Nov 96 11:33:54 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: IRS attacks (again) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 11:32:00 PST Message-Id: <32935D22@msgate2> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9f000fb30a573360b163795f8806c836 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= ======================================================================= On Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:58:00 PST "myhr.lyle" writes: >Just received a letter today from Fresno IRS. >They have "recalculated" my return for 1994. Why did you file a return? Chances are that you committed perjury when you signed the return. It specifically states: "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have _examined_ this return _and_ accompanying schedules and statements,...." (Emphasis added) If you would have done like you declared that you did, you would have seen that the I.R. Code doesn't even apply to you. You made yourself liable for the tax, when it didn't have anything to do with you. There is no way, I would sign anything under "penalties of perjury." ======================================================================= John, Ummmm, you're preaching to the choir. I know how to handle the beast. You assume wrong. The "return" mentioned was for 1994. I have not filed since. I won't file. The "code" DOES apply to us, but it is VERY limited. Everyone should read (S)83 and (S)7655. Understand the beast, then slay the SOB. My notice to the list was just to inform of another attempt by the beast to subdue me. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 18:08:57 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA12555 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26409 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:55:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26401 for libertylaw; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:55:29 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26399 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:55:28 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14558 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 96 19:47:46 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15922; Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:37:10 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3293A431@msgate2>; Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:37:05 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Mystery of the spell check? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:35:00 PST Message-Id: <3293A431@msgate2> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: ab9d3284d1bb07e80c68d19949cc3a72 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Lyle here, I wouldn't place to much credence on the ability of Eudora's spell checker to "recognize" the difference between DC US and US DC. My checker is "ASpell" a windows add on. It checks in any text window. Any program that doesn't have spell checking ability can now be checked. It even puts a button right in your applications window to activate the checker. It's only $19.95. It also does what you reported that Eudora does. It separates USDC into US DC and also does the same to DCUS (DC US). This is because it recognizes DC as a valid abbreviation, and US as a valid abbreviation. It doesn't mater which order they are written in. It will separate them, as it is looking at them as two valid abbreviations. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Nov 22 18:08:59 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA06489 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:57:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26463 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26456 for libertylaw; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:57:53 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26454 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:57:52 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14563 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 96 19:47:51 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15953; Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:43:22 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3293A5A5@msgate2>; Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:43:17 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Mystery of the spell check? (2) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 16:41:00 PST Message-Id: <3293A5A5@msgate2> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 3af6e61fe7c03259a4de6318a44539ff Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= As it was going out I noticed that Microsoft MSMails spell checker DID NOT recognize either DCUS or USDC as two abbreviations. Although it probably would if the two abbreviations were put into its library. US is in there, apparently DC isn't. It will be now. [8-)) ================================================= Lyle here, I wouldn't place to much credence on the ability of Eudora's spell checker to "recognize" the difference between DC US and US DC. My checker is "ASpell" a windows add on. It checks in any text window. Any program that doesn't have spell checking ability can now be checked. It even puts a button right in your applications window to activate the checker. It's only $19.95. It also does what you reported that Eudora does. It separates USDC into US DC and also does the same to DCUS (DC US). This is because it recognizes DC as a valid abbreviation, and US as a valid abbreviation. It doesn't mater which order they are written in. It will separate them, as it is looking at them as two valid abbreviations. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 11:45:09 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA10861; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA01489 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:28 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA01482 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01480 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05963 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:34:20 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27003 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:34:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09923; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:24:38 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01597; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:24:24 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <324583C3@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:21:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Page update Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <324583C3@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= My homepage is at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ttank Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Page update Date: Friday, September 20, 1996 9:09PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= At 07:13 PM 9/20/96, you wrote: >You might want to try again. I updated it last night around 9pm. Lyle, send me the link again.Dave God Bless You, and God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 12:11:27 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA05346; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:11:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02529 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:36 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02514 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02512 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:27 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06705 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:04:23 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA27574 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:04:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10070; Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:01:37 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02787; Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:01:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32458C6D@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:58:53 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Question: Frivolous argument? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <32458C6D@msgate> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Here's one for the defense. Why is it that the Judge/Prosecutor/AG or whomever can use the defensive strategy of claiming your argument is frivolous? Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.... (to the tune of JEOPARDY TV game show) Give up? Here's my verdict. I am guessing that it is another conspiracy of the "officers of the court". Sure some can be frivolous, but they still deserve to be answered in a NON-FRIVOLOUS fashion. Rationale: Is it not FRIVOLOUS to REBUT a claim by MERELY stating that it is frivolous? Come now, the biggest bluff in legal history, and we can't call their hole card? Doesn't Common Law demand PROOF of frivolity? Yet we are forced(?) to quit the attack by their claim of frivolity, with NO SUBSTANTIATION. Comments? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 12:11:44 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA12293; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02174 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:30 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02167 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02165 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06448 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:54:20 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27364 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:54:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09996; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:45:15 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02216; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:45:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32458898@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:42:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Question: Having it both ways? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:51:00 PDT Message-Id: <32458898@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= If subtitle F doesn't become law until the day after passage of Title 26 into positive law, then aren't ALL IRS SANCTIONS NULL AND VOID?????? There is in reality NO SUCH THING as a "Revenue taxable activity" because their regulations, as such, are without backing in positive law. Something to think about!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >I guess you could also say that you >just might need the number because >you like to visit Las Vegas, and you >also like to WIN ;-) > >Gambling is a revenue taxable activity, >although you don't need the number for >this, as it is the gambling establishment >that must pay the tax...and believe me, >they will withhold (when you win over a >certain amount) regardless of whether >or not you provide an SSN, and there is >nothing you can do about it...it is NOT >theft in this case. > >In Liberty, > >Charles > > From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 10:13:07 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA23570; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03572 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:09:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03565 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:09:01 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03563 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:08:59 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26907 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:04:55 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA07929 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:04:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14938; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:04:11 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20734; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:03:56 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3246C23F@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:00:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Having it both ways? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <3246C23F@msgate> Encoding: 62 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (Lyle) >>If subtitle F doesn't become law >>until the day after passage of Title 26 into >>positive law, then aren't ALL IRS SANCTIONS >>NULL AND VOID?????? (Charles) >Sound right to me. (Lyle) >>There is in reality NO SUCH THING as a >>"Revenue taxable activity" because their >>regulations, as such, are without backing >>in positive law. (Charles) >Mis-application. Not really. I just didn't EXPAND it enough for clarity. I should have been more focused on Personal Income Tax, as opposed to taxation of a Title 27 Revenue Taxable Activity. Now the bonus question. Can Congress grant authority to one of (its) agencies or an agency of the President to Tax anything "without the United States?" (Charles) >A revenue taxable activity is any activity >that is NOT 'innocent, lawful and harmless'. Bad definition. (Charles) >A revenue taxable activity is not taxed until >Congress IMPOSES the tax by statute. Iow, just >because something IS revenue taxABLE, it STILL >is not taxed UNTIL IT IS TAXED (by specific statute, >passed by Congress). Correct. >Regulations serve two purposes, apparently. They >REGULATE the activities of those who are enforcing >the law, and they provide a delegation of authority >for the same. Correct again. >But, not all laws require regulations. We're talking about TAX laws only here. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 16:03:15 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA17477; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13309 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13302 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:39 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13300 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA02086 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:32 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29939 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18363; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:50:24 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00998; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:50:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3247135B@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:46:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Frivolous argument Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:55:00 PDT Message-Id: <3247135B@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I agree. You can't be both. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably because Sovereign Citizen could possibly be an oxymoron? What is it...are you a Sovereign? or are you a Citizen [ie subject to the social contract and laws of the crown]. The People as a collective are Sovereign. We as men have Natural rights endowed by our creator...under the laws of Nature, we are Sovereign, By becoming or claiming to be a Citizen...you are no longer sovereign but are a member of Civil government. Read john Locke's 2nd treatese on civil Government. Just thought I would ask this question to the list since I have been pondering it in my studies. John Edward From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 16:03:35 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA20151; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:02:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13335 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:56 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13325 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:52 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13323 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:51 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA02123 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:40 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29944 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:42 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18275; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:41:59 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00704; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:41:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32471161@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:38:25 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Frivolous argument? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:47:00 PDT Message-Id: <32471161@msgate> Encoding: 71 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (Charles) >That depends...do you still have an SSN? >If so, did you rebut their 'silent judicial >notice' that it is prima facie evidence of >Federal Employee status? So the first thing to do is rebut all contracts which may be construed to give the appearance of Federal Employee status, or Federal citizenship. AFA the SSN goes you don't have to recind it as much as you need to point out you have never received any benefits from it, or them. But I would recind, or expunge it anyway. (Charles) >How about a state issued birth certificate with >your name spelled in all caps? If so, did you >rebut their 'silent judicial notice' that it is >prima facie evidence that you are a dead man or >a legal fiction (ie: corporation)? Mine isn't in all caps. The more I think about it the sillier it gets. You have to go in and PROVE you are a real human being, instead of corporate chattel. What in the name of GOD gives them any right at all to do this????? (Charles) >Again, I am NOT saying that this strategy that they >take is OK...it is not. I AM saying that if you >go in arguing that 'this contract doesn't apply >to me' because I am a 'free sovereign white male' >while you are still exercising some benefit that >the contract provides, then THAT is a frivolous >argument. I'd like to know exactly what 'silent benefit' I may be receiving without even knowing it? Aside from the benefit of no longer having to be bothered with REAL MONEY. (Charles) >No, it's because they don't even understand what the income >tax is. It is NOT a tax on a people...that would be a capitation >tax, and Constitutionally, would have to be apportioned. It >is NOT a tax on INCOME (believe it or not) per se. The income >is merely used to MEASURE the tax. The income tax is an >indirect excise tax on every revenue taxable activity that is >made liable for the tax in the Internal Revenue Code. >Now, anyone care to guess which activities are taxed, and how many >there are? I would like to see a complete listing if possible. We all know the usual answers, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms manufacture. Also certain drugs, including MARIJUANA production are taxable, so they say. But since the Constitution gives the power to tax to CONGRESS..... and the IRS is an office of the Treasury Department.... is an office of the Executive branch.... IS ANY OF IT LAWFUL????? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 10:38:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA00386; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02323 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:44 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02316 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:41 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02314 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08058 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:33:36 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12320 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:24:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24303; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:06:54 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15268; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:06:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3248143A@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:02:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: The same bullies! Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <3248143A@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I saw it also. It made me look up the founding of such clicks. Phi Beta Kappa.... William and Mary University. The first, best known, and probably the heart and sole of the problem. The Great Philosophers. Yes we are dealing with special little clicks of bullies. Who would do anything they want in private, but in the light of day are as pristine and pure as the driven snow. Or so they would try to have you believe such trash. I had plenty of opportunity to be one of them as I was growing up. I was a "Boys State" participant in High School. Clinton also went to Boys State, and Boys Nation, which is where the picture of him meeting JFK comes from. My ASVAB scores were next to phenomenal. ASVAB is something that all us young men took instead of SAT, back during the war years, Viet Nam. I turned down, yes turned down, an appointment to West Point, the Army Academy. I could have been another Oliver North, or Lon Houruchi. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= I just had a revelation. While watching a TV show on NBC about a girl who said no!, but the jock forced himself on her anyway, I realized something. The guy in the TV show was a member of a college fraternity. All of them (part of the click) were/are bullies. Same as the guys in High School who were bullies. Now, the guys who run the courts, the cops, the politicians, yes, even the Prez are all bullies. They are all the same.... Now I understand what we are up against. God Bless You, and God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 12:08:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id MAA23355; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA04192 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA04185 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04183 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:28 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15946 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:03:24 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA18045 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:54:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25335; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:48:47 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18719; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:48:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32482C17@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:44:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Shall means May Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <32482C17@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >>"Shall" means 'May' >> >>Courts have repeatedly ruled that in statutes, when a mandatory meaning >>of the word "shall" would create a constitutional conflict, "shall" must >>be defined as meaning "may". Cairo & Fulton R.R. vs. Hect, 95 U.S. 170. >> Also; George Williams College vs. Village of Williams Bay, 7 N.W.2nd >>891 (this the Supreme Court of Wisconsin.) Gow vs. Consolidated >>Coppermines Corp., 165 Atlantic 136. Also the 13th amendment. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well, the federal judiciary has ruled that 'shall', >>> in the case of Title 26 and 'the secretary SHALL >>> prescribe all rules and regulations...' to mean >>> MAY...they have ruled, right or not, that it is >>> not necessary for their to be any regs...which is >>> technically correct, since Congress themselves >>> limited the application of any enforcement of >>> this Title to 'the day AFTER the enactment of >>> the Title', and since it has never been enacted, >>> there is not law for regulations to be written to >>> enforce. >>> >>> In Liberty, >>> >>> Charles >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Charles, please point me to a cite verifying the above...thanks- John >Edward. >> >Interesting. If you look under Bouvier's 1856, one finds that back then - >"may" meant "shall," which I took to be of a compulsory nature. > >Marcia A. Black is White, and White is Black. That has been their goal all along. Everything is not as it seems. It is all Helter-Skelter. If we can't change the laws, we'll change the meaning of the words. Same result. Interesting side note from researching Oil production. Petroleum oil has been around as long as other types of oils. It did not become a valuable commodity until 1859, Hmmm! In 1859, in Pennsylvania, was the first discovery of a "gusher". A well that produced 400 barrels a day. At the turn of this last century the US was the leading producer of Petrolium oil, and our oil garnered a %10 increase in price over the competitor countries because our oil, for some reason unexplained, produced more refined product. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 14:37:54 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id OAA10625; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07691 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07684 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:32 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07682 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:31 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28159 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:33:27 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA26898 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:24:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26570; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:19:01 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24288; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:18:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32484F4A@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:14:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Salaries? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <32484F4A@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Isn't the bottom line on this the fact that "we" pay the Judges salary, therefore, the Judge is supposed to be "impartial" in a sense because he/she/it is paid by "the people"? The way it is now, "they" think they are being paid by the corporate US, therefore owe some sort of allegiance to their "pay-master". The bottom line is we pay them ALL. They ALL work for us. How about if we just quit paying them. I quit paying income tax. Just say NO. Oh, it should be so easy! But it will be so hard. Because I am alone and they are many. But "we" are more than enough to say, "No more". United we stand, divided we hang. Let us rekindle the spirit of "The American Party". Or as they were appropriately called in their day, The No-nothings. 21 years to "Naturalize as a Citizen". Only NATIVE born could serve in office. Only NATIVE born could vote. Many great planks in this party. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Here is a case involving judges and their salaries U.S. v. Woodley, 751 F.2d. 1008 (9th Cir. 1985) Richard From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Sep 25 11:07:55 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id LAA13166; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:07:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00192 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:43 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00185 for libertylaw; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00183 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15462 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:03:37 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16454 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:54:19 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04199; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:38:11 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15492; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:37:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32496CE2@msgate>; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:33:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Double Posts? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <32496CE2@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= all is normal here.... Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Double Posts? Date: Wednesday, September 25, 1996 1:06PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= At 10:29 AM 9/25/96, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing >======================================================================= >List; > >Is everyone getting double posts -- or is it just on my end? >Kerry I am receiving normal posts, Kerry. God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Sep 25 15:49:28 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id PAA28339; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07595 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:48:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07588 for libertylaw; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:48:00 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07586 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:47:59 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08365 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:43:52 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03500 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:34:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06929; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:35:18 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25885; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:35:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3249B27C@msgate>; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:30:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re:Banks and Banking Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <3249B27C@msgate> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I have a few of the 1963 Two Dollar "US Notes". It was 1933 or 34 when the "order" was given for all "citizens" to turn in their GOLD NOTES. It was through the use of Gold Notes that Bruno Hauptman(sp?) was apprehended for the Lindberg Baby kidnapping. They were supposed to have been turned in the year before so when he started to use some he was reported. Supposedly the ransom was paid with Gold Notes. Of which the ones in his possession came from. Even though he supposedly had nothing to do with the kidnapping or murder. Why was the ransom paid with Gold Notes, was it paid before they were supposed to be turned in? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= >Section 151 authorizes "notes payable in gold." Has anyone ever seen one? >Know where I can find one? They're available for slightly more than the denominational equivalent in FRAUD's from most coin/currency dealers. The ones issued after 1913 were all 'Federal Reserve Notes', as opposed to 'U.S. Notes', which is all we had prior to 1913. Many of our smaller notes were redeemable in Silver up until 1964 (right after JFK was assassinated for daring to print 4 Billion in U.S. Notes). In Liberty, Charles From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Oct 1 16:50:44 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA27131; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15704 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:22 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15695 for libertylaw; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:17 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15693 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:07 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06272; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:43:00 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA24405; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:51:13 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17275; Tue, 1 Oct 96 15:20:05 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32519913@msgate2>; Tue, 01 Oct 96 15:20:03 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Test message Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 15:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <32519913@msgate2> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Just testing. They "fixed" our mail server this last weekend. Which is why it has taken until today to try to send mail. Lyle From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Oct 2 10:52:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA15385; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02768 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:50 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02759 for libertylaw; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:46 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02755 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24540 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:30:16 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06616 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:38:30 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23626; Wed, 2 Oct 96 10:14:09 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3252A2DE@msgate2>; Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:14:06 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FRCP #53 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <3252A2DE@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= After reading a bit last night I came across a very interesting section of the FRCP. Rule #53 talks about MASTERS (of the court). 1) A master CAN be "the judge". 2) A master has COMPLETE control over the admission of evidence and testimony, REGARDLESS of the law. 3) "Notice" of a master being present is "silent" as the norm. It is my opinion that most if not all judges these days are "acting" as MASTER of the court and not as judge. Comments? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Oct 2 10:59:47 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA05501; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:59:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02966 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:41:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02955 for libertylaw; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:41:11 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02934 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24932 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:36:31 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06942 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:44:43 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23784; Wed, 2 Oct 96 10:29:40 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3252A682@msgate2>; Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:29:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Frivolous tid-bits Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <3252A682@msgate2> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= On the radio this AM heard that a local council person had been caught in a "sting" operation over her fraudulent use of the county cell phone. She had made some $90 worth of private calls. She is now suing the county for $600,000 in damages for the "mental strain" caused by the "sting" operation. (I'll watch this one closely, as I could use a similar tact over my "home invasion") Sixth grader gets $500,000 in damages for being subjected to "name calling" at school. The jury found that the school did not do all it could to protect her from injury. High school girl suspended. Even though she has a 4.0 GPA she is being expelled for asking for and accepting "NON PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION" (midol) from a classmate. The school "policy" is that no drugs will be exchanged without coming from the school nurse, legal or not. Reminds me of my sister who was expelled for "school policy". She was National Honor Society, 4.0 GPA (never had a B). Student body President, in the late sixties mind you. Cheerleader, and everything else that is AMERICAN and the GIRL NEXT DOOR. She was the last girl expelled for that "policy". It totally messed up her life. We all know what this world is coming to. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Thu Oct 3 10:51:01 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA20971; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA28991 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:38 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA28982 for libertylaw; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:35 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28980 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:34 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01347 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:46:01 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06952 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:54:16 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01810; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:37:38 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3253F9DF@msgate2>; Thu, 03 Oct 96 10:37:35 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Request for admission Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 10:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <3253F9DF@msgate2> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >Joseph Dale Robertson Aye! Permission to come aboard, granted. INFECT ME! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Thu Oct 3 15:50:38 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA04953; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02537 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:31 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02530 for libertylaw; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02528 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:28 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18047 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:46:09 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA22038 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:54:24 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04017; Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:39:48 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <325440B1@msgate2>; Thu, 03 Oct 96 15:39:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Wisconsin Organic Act Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 15:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <325440B1@msgate2> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Read a little last night. Rather interesting. This Act provided the same branches of government as the Constitution. Executive, Legislative and Judicial. BUT, it distinctly kept them and their powers separate. Whereas the US Constitution makes no specific separation. Also this Act states that the Governor is "appointed" by the President. That is the Governor of the territory. Also, the Iowa state Constitution is one of the oldest Constitutions in existence, next to the US Constitution. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Fri Oct 4 09:50:00 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA26299; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:49:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA20885 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:31 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA20874 for libertylaw; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:27 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20868 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00513 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:46:07 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA00884 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:54:22 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08045; Fri, 4 Oct 96 09:44:02 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32553ECF@msgate2>; Fri, 04 Oct 96 09:43:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Property taxes Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 09:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <32553ECF@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >>BTW do you have any strategies for lawful avoidance for payment >>of property taxes on non-motgaged property? I had to decide between >>winter heating oil and property taxes this year and guess which >>one won out? > >A friend of a friend of mine (I know, but the friend is >reliable), simply went down to the County Recorder and >told them to change the CLASSIFICATION of his property >from 'Real Estate' to Private Property. Supposedly, he >has not received a property tax bill for over three >years...no bill, no tax. Is this able to be done while you are still paying on the mortgage? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 11:45:09 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA10861; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA01489 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:28 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA01482 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01480 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:38:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05963 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:34:20 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27003 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:34:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09923; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:24:38 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01597; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:24:24 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <324583C3@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:21:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Page update Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <324583C3@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= My homepage is at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ttank Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Page update Date: Friday, September 20, 1996 9:09PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= At 07:13 PM 9/20/96, you wrote: >You might want to try again. I updated it last night around 9pm. Lyle, send me the link again.Dave God Bless You, and God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 12:11:27 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA05346; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:11:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02529 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:36 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA02514 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02512 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:08:27 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06705 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:04:23 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA27574 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:04:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10070; Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:01:37 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02787; Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:01:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32458C6D@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:58:53 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Question: Frivolous argument? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 12:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <32458C6D@msgate> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Here's one for the defense. Why is it that the Judge/Prosecutor/AG or whomever can use the defensive strategy of claiming your argument is frivolous? Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.... (to the tune of JEOPARDY TV game show) Give up? Here's my verdict. I am guessing that it is another conspiracy of the "officers of the court". Sure some can be frivolous, but they still deserve to be answered in a NON-FRIVOLOUS fashion. Rationale: Is it not FRIVOLOUS to REBUT a claim by MERELY stating that it is frivolous? Come now, the biggest bluff in legal history, and we can't call their hole card? Doesn't Common Law demand PROOF of frivolity? Yet we are forced(?) to quit the attack by their claim of frivolity, with NO SUBSTANTIATION. Comments? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Sun Sep 22 12:11:44 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id MAA12293; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02174 for libertylaw-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:30 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02167 for libertylaw; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02165 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:58:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06448 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:54:20 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27364 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:54:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09996; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:45:15 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02216; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:45:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32458898@msgate>; Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:42:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Question: Having it both ways? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 11:51:00 PDT Message-Id: <32458898@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= If subtitle F doesn't become law until the day after passage of Title 26 into positive law, then aren't ALL IRS SANCTIONS NULL AND VOID?????? There is in reality NO SUCH THING as a "Revenue taxable activity" because their regulations, as such, are without backing in positive law. Something to think about!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >I guess you could also say that you >just might need the number because >you like to visit Las Vegas, and you >also like to WIN ;-) > >Gambling is a revenue taxable activity, >although you don't need the number for >this, as it is the gambling establishment >that must pay the tax...and believe me, >they will withhold (when you win over a >certain amount) regardless of whether >or not you provide an SSN, and there is >nothing you can do about it...it is NOT >theft in this case. > >In Liberty, > >Charles > > From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 10:13:07 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA23570; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03572 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:09:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03565 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:09:01 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03563 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:08:59 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26907 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:04:55 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA07929 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:04:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14938; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:04:11 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20734; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:03:56 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3246C23F@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:00:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Having it both ways? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <3246C23F@msgate> Encoding: 62 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (Lyle) >>If subtitle F doesn't become law >>until the day after passage of Title 26 into >>positive law, then aren't ALL IRS SANCTIONS >>NULL AND VOID?????? (Charles) >Sound right to me. (Lyle) >>There is in reality NO SUCH THING as a >>"Revenue taxable activity" because their >>regulations, as such, are without backing >>in positive law. (Charles) >Mis-application. Not really. I just didn't EXPAND it enough for clarity. I should have been more focused on Personal Income Tax, as opposed to taxation of a Title 27 Revenue Taxable Activity. Now the bonus question. Can Congress grant authority to one of (its) agencies or an agency of the President to Tax anything "without the United States?" (Charles) >A revenue taxable activity is any activity >that is NOT 'innocent, lawful and harmless'. Bad definition. (Charles) >A revenue taxable activity is not taxed until >Congress IMPOSES the tax by statute. Iow, just >because something IS revenue taxABLE, it STILL >is not taxed UNTIL IT IS TAXED (by specific statute, >passed by Congress). Correct. >Regulations serve two purposes, apparently. They >REGULATE the activities of those who are enforcing >the law, and they provide a delegation of authority >for the same. Correct again. >But, not all laws require regulations. We're talking about TAX laws only here. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 16:03:15 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA17477; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13309 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13302 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:39 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13300 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA02086 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:32 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29939 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18363; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:50:24 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00998; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:50:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3247135B@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:46:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Frivolous argument Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:55:00 PDT Message-Id: <3247135B@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I agree. You can't be both. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably because Sovereign Citizen could possibly be an oxymoron? What is it...are you a Sovereign? or are you a Citizen [ie subject to the social contract and laws of the crown]. The People as a collective are Sovereign. We as men have Natural rights endowed by our creator...under the laws of Nature, we are Sovereign, By becoming or claiming to be a Citizen...you are no longer sovereign but are a member of Civil government. Read john Locke's 2nd treatese on civil Government. Just thought I would ask this question to the list since I have been pondering it in my studies. John Edward From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Mon Sep 23 16:03:35 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@[199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA20151; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:02:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13335 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:56 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13325 for libertylaw; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:52 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13323 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:58:51 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA02123 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:40 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29944 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:42 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18275; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:41:59 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00704; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:41:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32471161@msgate>; Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:38:25 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Question: Frivolous argument? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:47:00 PDT Message-Id: <32471161@msgate> Encoding: 71 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (Charles) >That depends...do you still have an SSN? >If so, did you rebut their 'silent judicial >notice' that it is prima facie evidence of >Federal Employee status? So the first thing to do is rebut all contracts which may be construed to give the appearance of Federal Employee status, or Federal citizenship. AFA the SSN goes you don't have to recind it as much as you need to point out you have never received any benefits from it, or them. But I would recind, or expunge it anyway. (Charles) >How about a state issued birth certificate with >your name spelled in all caps? If so, did you >rebut their 'silent judicial notice' that it is >prima facie evidence that you are a dead man or >a legal fiction (ie: corporation)? Mine isn't in all caps. The more I think about it the sillier it gets. You have to go in and PROVE you are a real human being, instead of corporate chattel. What in the name of GOD gives them any right at all to do this????? (Charles) >Again, I am NOT saying that this strategy that they >take is OK...it is not. I AM saying that if you >go in arguing that 'this contract doesn't apply >to me' because I am a 'free sovereign white male' >while you are still exercising some benefit that >the contract provides, then THAT is a frivolous >argument. I'd like to know exactly what 'silent benefit' I may be receiving without even knowing it? Aside from the benefit of no longer having to be bothered with REAL MONEY. (Charles) >No, it's because they don't even understand what the income >tax is. It is NOT a tax on a people...that would be a capitation >tax, and Constitutionally, would have to be apportioned. It >is NOT a tax on INCOME (believe it or not) per se. The income >is merely used to MEASURE the tax. The income tax is an >indirect excise tax on every revenue taxable activity that is >made liable for the tax in the Internal Revenue Code. >Now, anyone care to guess which activities are taxed, and how many >there are? I would like to see a complete listing if possible. We all know the usual answers, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms manufacture. Also certain drugs, including MARIJUANA production are taxable, so they say. But since the Constitution gives the power to tax to CONGRESS..... and the IRS is an office of the Treasury Department.... is an office of the Executive branch.... IS ANY OF IT LAWFUL????? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 10:38:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA00386; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02323 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:44 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02316 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:41 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02314 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08058 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:33:36 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12320 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:24:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24303; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:06:54 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15268; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:06:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3248143A@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:02:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: The same bullies! Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <3248143A@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I saw it also. It made me look up the founding of such clicks. Phi Beta Kappa.... William and Mary University. The first, best known, and probably the heart and sole of the problem. The Great Philosophers. Yes we are dealing with special little clicks of bullies. Who would do anything they want in private, but in the light of day are as pristine and pure as the driven snow. Or so they would try to have you believe such trash. I had plenty of opportunity to be one of them as I was growing up. I was a "Boys State" participant in High School. Clinton also went to Boys State, and Boys Nation, which is where the picture of him meeting JFK comes from. My ASVAB scores were next to phenomenal. ASVAB is something that all us young men took instead of SAT, back during the war years, Viet Nam. I turned down, yes turned down, an appointment to West Point, the Army Academy. I could have been another Oliver North, or Lon Houruchi. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= I just had a revelation. While watching a TV show on NBC about a girl who said no!, but the jock forced himself on her anyway, I realized something. The guy in the TV show was a member of a college fraternity. All of them (part of the click) were/are bullies. Same as the guys in High School who were bullies. Now, the guys who run the courts, the cops, the politicians, yes, even the Prez are all bullies. They are all the same.... Now I understand what we are up against. God Bless You, and God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 12:08:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id MAA23355; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA04192 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA04185 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04183 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:28 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15946 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:03:24 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA18045 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:54:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25335; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:48:47 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18719; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:48:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32482C17@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:44:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Shall means May Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <32482C17@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >>"Shall" means 'May' >> >>Courts have repeatedly ruled that in statutes, when a mandatory meaning >>of the word "shall" would create a constitutional conflict, "shall" must >>be defined as meaning "may". Cairo & Fulton R.R. vs. Hect, 95 U.S. 170. >> Also; George Williams College vs. Village of Williams Bay, 7 N.W.2nd >>891 (this the Supreme Court of Wisconsin.) Gow vs. Consolidated >>Coppermines Corp., 165 Atlantic 136. Also the 13th amendment. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well, the federal judiciary has ruled that 'shall', >>> in the case of Title 26 and 'the secretary SHALL >>> prescribe all rules and regulations...' to mean >>> MAY...they have ruled, right or not, that it is >>> not necessary for their to be any regs...which is >>> technically correct, since Congress themselves >>> limited the application of any enforcement of >>> this Title to 'the day AFTER the enactment of >>> the Title', and since it has never been enacted, >>> there is not law for regulations to be written to >>> enforce. >>> >>> In Liberty, >>> >>> Charles >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Charles, please point me to a cite verifying the above...thanks- John >Edward. >> >Interesting. If you look under Bouvier's 1856, one finds that back then - >"may" meant "shall," which I took to be of a compulsory nature. > >Marcia A. Black is White, and White is Black. That has been their goal all along. Everything is not as it seems. It is all Helter-Skelter. If we can't change the laws, we'll change the meaning of the words. Same result. Interesting side note from researching Oil production. Petroleum oil has been around as long as other types of oils. It did not become a valuable commodity until 1859, Hmmm! In 1859, in Pennsylvania, was the first discovery of a "gusher". A well that produced 400 barrels a day. At the turn of this last century the US was the leading producer of Petrolium oil, and our oil garnered a %10 increase in price over the competitor countries because our oil, for some reason unexplained, produced more refined product. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Sep 24 14:37:54 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id OAA10625; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07691 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07684 for libertylaw; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:32 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07682 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:31 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA28159 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:33:27 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA26898 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:24:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26570; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:19:01 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24288; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:18:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32484F4A@msgate>; Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:14:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Salaries? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <32484F4A@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Isn't the bottom line on this the fact that "we" pay the Judges salary, therefore, the Judge is supposed to be "impartial" in a sense because he/she/it is paid by "the people"? The way it is now, "they" think they are being paid by the corporate US, therefore owe some sort of allegiance to their "pay-master". The bottom line is we pay them ALL. They ALL work for us. How about if we just quit paying them. I quit paying income tax. Just say NO. Oh, it should be so easy! But it will be so hard. Because I am alone and they are many. But "we" are more than enough to say, "No more". United we stand, divided we hang. Let us rekindle the spirit of "The American Party". Or as they were appropriately called in their day, The No-nothings. 21 years to "Naturalize as a Citizen". Only NATIVE born could serve in office. Only NATIVE born could vote. Many great planks in this party. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Here is a case involving judges and their salaries U.S. v. Woodley, 751 F.2d. 1008 (9th Cir. 1985) Richard From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Sep 25 11:07:55 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id LAA13166; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:07:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00192 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:43 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00185 for libertylaw; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00183 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:07:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA15462 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:03:37 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16454 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:54:19 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04199; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:38:11 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15492; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:37:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32496CE2@msgate>; Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:33:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Double Posts? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 10:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <32496CE2@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= all is normal here.... Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Double Posts? Date: Wednesday, September 25, 1996 1:06PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= At 10:29 AM 9/25/96, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing >======================================================================= >List; > >Is everyone getting double posts -- or is it just on my end? >Kerry I am receiving normal posts, Kerry. God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Sep 25 15:49:28 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id PAA28339; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07595 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:48:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07588 for libertylaw; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:48:00 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07586 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:47:59 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08365 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:43:52 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03500 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:34:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06929; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:35:18 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25885; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:35:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3249B27C@msgate>; Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:30:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re:Banks and Banking Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 15:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <3249B27C@msgate> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I have a few of the 1963 Two Dollar "US Notes". It was 1933 or 34 when the "order" was given for all "citizens" to turn in their GOLD NOTES. It was through the use of Gold Notes that Bruno Hauptman(sp?) was apprehended for the Lindberg Baby kidnapping. They were supposed to have been turned in the year before so when he started to use some he was reported. Supposedly the ransom was paid with Gold Notes. Of which the ones in his possession came from. Even though he supposedly had nothing to do with the kidnapping or murder. Why was the ransom paid with Gold Notes, was it paid before they were supposed to be turned in? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= >Section 151 authorizes "notes payable in gold." Has anyone ever seen one? >Know where I can find one? They're available for slightly more than the denominational equivalent in FRAUD's from most coin/currency dealers. The ones issued after 1913 were all 'Federal Reserve Notes', as opposed to 'U.S. Notes', which is all we had prior to 1913. Many of our smaller notes were redeemable in Silver up until 1964 (right after JFK was assassinated for daring to print 4 Billion in U.S. Notes). In Liberty, Charles From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Tue Oct 1 16:50:44 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA27131; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15704 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:22 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15695 for libertylaw; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:17 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15693 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:47:07 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06272; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:43:00 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA24405; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:51:13 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17275; Tue, 1 Oct 96 15:20:05 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32519913@msgate2>; Tue, 01 Oct 96 15:20:03 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Test message Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 15:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <32519913@msgate2> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Just testing. They "fixed" our mail server this last weekend. Which is why it has taken until today to try to send mail. Lyle From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Oct 2 10:52:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA15385; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02768 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:50 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02759 for libertylaw; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:46 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02755 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:34:40 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24540 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:30:16 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06616 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:38:30 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23626; Wed, 2 Oct 96 10:14:09 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3252A2DE@msgate2>; Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:14:06 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FRCP #53 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <3252A2DE@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= After reading a bit last night I came across a very interesting section of the FRCP. Rule #53 talks about MASTERS (of the court). 1) A master CAN be "the judge". 2) A master has COMPLETE control over the admission of evidence and testimony, REGARDLESS of the law. 3) "Notice" of a master being present is "silent" as the norm. It is my opinion that most if not all judges these days are "acting" as MASTER of the court and not as judge. Comments? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Wed Oct 2 10:59:47 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA05501; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:59:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02966 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:41:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA02955 for libertylaw; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:41:11 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02934 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24932 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:36:31 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06942 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:44:43 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23784; Wed, 2 Oct 96 10:29:40 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3252A682@msgate2>; Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:29:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Frivolous tid-bits Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 10:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <3252A682@msgate2> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= On the radio this AM heard that a local council person had been caught in a "sting" operation over her fraudulent use of the county cell phone. She had made some $90 worth of private calls. She is now suing the county for $600,000 in damages for the "mental strain" caused by the "sting" operation. (I'll watch this one closely, as I could use a similar tact over my "home invasion") Sixth grader gets $500,000 in damages for being subjected to "name calling" at school. The jury found that the school did not do all it could to protect her from injury. High school girl suspended. Even though she has a 4.0 GPA she is being expelled for asking for and accepting "NON PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION" (midol) from a classmate. The school "policy" is that no drugs will be exchanged without coming from the school nurse, legal or not. Reminds me of my sister who was expelled for "school policy". She was National Honor Society, 4.0 GPA (never had a B). Student body President, in the late sixties mind you. Cheerleader, and everything else that is AMERICAN and the GIRL NEXT DOOR. She was the last girl expelled for that "policy". It totally messed up her life. We all know what this world is coming to. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Thu Oct 3 10:51:01 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA20971; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA28991 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:38 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA28982 for libertylaw; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:35 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28980 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:49:34 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01347 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:46:01 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06952 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:54:16 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01810; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:37:38 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3253F9DF@msgate2>; Thu, 03 Oct 96 10:37:35 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Request for admission Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 10:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <3253F9DF@msgate2> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >Joseph Dale Robertson Aye! Permission to come aboard, granted. INFECT ME! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Thu Oct 3 15:50:38 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA04953; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02537 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:31 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02530 for libertylaw; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02528 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:49:28 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18047 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:46:09 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA22038 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:54:24 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04017; Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:39:48 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <325440B1@msgate2>; Thu, 03 Oct 96 15:39:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Wisconsin Organic Act Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 15:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <325440B1@msgate2> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Read a little last night. Rather interesting. This Act provided the same branches of government as the Constitution. Executive, Legislative and Judicial. BUT, it distinctly kept them and their powers separate. Whereas the US Constitution makes no specific separation. Also this Act states that the Governor is "appointed" by the President. That is the Governor of the territory. Also, the Iowa state Constitution is one of the oldest Constitutions in existence, next to the US Constitution. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From owner-libertylaw@blake.sharpcomm.com Fri Oct 4 09:50:00 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA26299; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:49:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA20885 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:31 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA20874 for libertylaw; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:27 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20868 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA00513 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:46:07 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA00884 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:54:22 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08045; Fri, 4 Oct 96 09:44:02 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32553ECF@msgate2>; Fri, 04 Oct 96 09:43:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Property taxes Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 09:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <32553ECF@msgate2> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >>BTW do you have any strategies for lawful avoidance for payment >>of property taxes on non-motgaged property? I had to decide between >>winter heating oil and property taxes this year and guess which >>one won out? > >A friend of a friend of mine (I know, but the friend is >reliable), simply went down to the County Recorder and >told them to change the CLASSIFICATION of his property >from 'Real Estate' to Private Property. Supposedly, he >has not received a property tax bill for over three >years...no bill, no tax. Is this able to be done while you are still paying on the mortgage? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue May 28 14:58:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26140 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20753 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:41:41 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA20749 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:41:37 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08801 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:40:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA25881 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05965; Tue, 28 May 96 14:19:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AB678B@msgate>; Tue, 28 May 96 13:52:27 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Corporations Date: Tue, 28 May 96 14:22:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AB678B@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= An interesting, although lengthy, snippet on "corporations". It would seem that you have missed a few "points of fact". First your explanation of Directors, Board Members, and Shareholders, leave no recourse for us, the customer. We are not Shareholders of any public or semi-public, de facto or de jure, corporation. Government corporations do not operate in the best interest of we the customer (the People). You seem to be confusing our inalienable right to contract with being forced to participate in government corporate activities. You state: >"Members of certain public corporations, such as >municipalities, may not decline obligations imposed upon >them by the municipality." A "member" may not, but a "customer" certainly can. This is where the worm turns. By signing any "contract" to do business with any "government de jure or de facto corporation, or municipality, you are "deemed" a member/shareholder and SUBJECT to any OBLIGATION deemed necessary. This is, IMO, the big lie. >As far as federal debts go, if corporations do provide an individual >"shareholder" protection for individual liability that an association >does not provide, wouldn't you want that protection? (I am not really >up on the tax thing, my field of interest is land rights.) The "Shareholder" you are referring to, has all the protection they need. You are speaking of, from your own definitions, members of Congress, and/or local State congressional members, or county or city council members. Where is the protection for "We the People"? If we were Shareholders of a corporation like say the TVA, Tennessee Valley Authority, we would deserve dividends, and not be forced to pay for "public services". We buy services from TVA, PG&E here where I live, but we are by no means "Shareholders". We are not any part of the body "corporate". But we are certainly treated like we are, as we can not deny any "obligations" as put forth by them, and enacted upon we the People, by our esteemed (sic) legislators. "Public utilities" are just one of the many hidden contracts that supposedly make us "Shareholders" and SUBJECT to jurisdiction. At least, that's how "they" look at it. Lyle myhr@ulinear.com From ???@??? Thu May 30 14:33:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19795 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA07294 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:22:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07290 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:22:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03996 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:20:58 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA12656 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:14:27 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13741; Thu, 30 May 96 11:07:22 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31ADDD27@msgate>; Thu, 30 May 96 10:38:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thu, 30 May 96 11:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <31ADDD27@msgate> Encoding: 120 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Lyle here, Will forward this to my sister in Helena. See if she can get it processed. ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thursday, May 30, 1996 9:39AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:32:08 -0700 >>To: "John Burr" >>From: Paul Andrew Mitchell >>Subject: Petition for TRO >> >>Will _somebody_ please fill in the one blank >>and file this in Superior Court in Montana >>IMMEDIATELY! >> >>Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >>Counselor at Law and federal witness >>c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 >>Tucson, Arizona state >>zip code exempt >>phone (520) 323-3921 >>fax: (520) 323-3922 >> >>Under Protest and By Special Visitation >> >> >> >> SUPERIOR COURT OF MONTANA state >> >> IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF ___________ >> >> >> >>People of the United States of America Case No. ___________________ >> ex relatione Paul Andrew Mitchell, >> Citizen of one of the United States, PETITION FOR TEMPORARY >> RESTRAINING ORDER >> Petitioner >> >> v. >> >>United States, et al., >> >> Respondent >> >>________________________________/ >> >>COME NOW the People of the United States of America, >>ex relatione Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Citizen of >>Arizona state (hereinafter "Petitioners") to Petition this >>honorable Superior Court for an immediate Temporary >>Restraining Order restraining all officers, agents, and >>employees of the United States from using lethal force >>in its pending negotiations with the so-called "Freemen >>of Montana" at Justus Township now situated within the >>geographical venue of this Court. The recent federal >>court order removing the news media from the area >>constitutes probable cause to believe that bloodshed >>is imminent, and therefore the doctrine of necessity >>now controls in this situation, in order to guarantee >>the objectives of the Preamble and the Declaration of >>Independence. >> >>Executed on May 30, 1996 >> >>/s/ Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >>Counselor at Law and federal witness >>Citizen of Arizona state >>all rights reserved without prejudice >> >> >>Good cause having been demonstrated for same, >> >>IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that all officers, agents and >>employees of the United States now situated within >>the geographical venue of this Court are hereby >>restrained from using any lethal force in their >>ongoing negotiations with inhabitants of Justus >>Township, until further notice. The Clerk will >>serve this Order upon the nearest office of the >>Federal Bureau of Investigation with all >>deliberate speed. >> >> >>Dated: ____________________________ >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________ >>Judge of the Superior Court >>state of Montana >> >> >>Please complete the appropriate Proofs of Service >>and fax me the completed documents for my >>signature and to fax back to you asap. My >>fax number is (602) 323-3922. Thanks! >> > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Thu May 30 17:36:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19774 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 17:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19617 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:19:31 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA19613 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:19:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29279 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 15:40:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA26499 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 30 May 1996 15:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25452; Thu, 30 May 96 15:33:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AE1B7D@msgate>; Thu, 30 May 96 15:04:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Freemen update Date: Thu, 30 May 96 15:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AE1B7D@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= UPDATE: 2:46pm (3:46pm Montana time) I have faxed the updated document to my sister in Helena. I reformatted it, and spell checked it. As long as the cites are correct, it looks good. She will hand carry to the Superior Court in Helena and file the papers today. God speed. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: John Burr; libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thursday, May 30, 1996 1:22PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I am petitioning Supreme Court at this moment; Tucson media have been faxed; hopefully, they will put on the AP and UP wire. AG and Solicitor General have been served via first class U.S. Mail. The text of the Petition will be printed in newspapers all over the country by tomorrow morning. WE MUST INVOKE COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT'S JUDICIAL POWER, so U.S. SUPREME COURT CAN DEFER TO STATE ON THIS ONE. PER LOPEZ. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT BOTH ACTIONS BE FILED AT SAME TIME. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HELP IN ANY WAY THEY CAN. START BOMBARDING GARFIELD COUNTY OFFICIALS, INCLUDING SHERIFF, CORONER, CLERK, RECORDER, ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY YOU CAN POSSIBLY THINK OF. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE BANKS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO GRIND PEOPLE INTO HAMBURGER OVER THEIR UNPERFECTED LIENS AGAINST AMERICA. WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN? NO! From ???@??? Fri May 31 16:04:35 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14089 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 16:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA21385 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:51:43 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21381 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:51:40 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA15054 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:50:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA17815 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11225; Fri, 31 May 96 15:39:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF6E54@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 15:10:28 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Concurrent Jurisdiction - California Date: Fri, 31 May 96 15:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF6E54@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Great post from Marcia A. Snipped due to page limit of my sender. My comment about her post is this..... There is a MAJOR GOTCHA in her post as to how things are being carried out in D.C. The Supreme court, and/or Attorney General, has ruled that ASSUMING the President is acting as an AGENT of CONGRESS AND Congress KNOWINGLY ACQUIESCES to his actions however blatantly unconstitutional they may be.... THEN the actions are OK. Cold and calculated theft of RIGHTS, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY. All carried out by an ASSUMED agent of Congress. Lyle From ???@??? Fri May 31 17:56:49 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03615 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27939; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:50:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA26598; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:44:21 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17505; Fri, 31 May 96 17:36:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF89B9@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 17:07:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Fri, 31 May 96 17:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF89B9@msgate> Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It would be useful to know *who* called. IMO, any form of legal (lawful) action that we can take to HELP them, should not put them in jeopardy. Unless it scares the bad-guys into acting before legal recourse can be achieved. Either way, it's got to be tried. Because they will balk at legal recourse anyway. The only awkwardness I can see from your attempt is that "The Doctrine of necessity" is precisely what "they" have been relying on all along to do their dirty work. BTW, my sister (in Helena) reports that *supposedly* the media has not been totally removed from the scene only moved back. They can still *supposedly* see the Freemen house. My home Email is 71552.2725@compuserve.com for those interested. My personal feelings as to the safety of the Freemen.... I would STRONGLY urge MOM to bivouac on private property as close as possible to the scene. Get the permission from whomever you can to set up camp. The only thing that will save them is public scrutiny. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I just got a very hostile phone call from someone who accused me of risking the lives of the Freemen of Montana by filing a Petition for Temporary Restraining Order with Garfield County District Court specifically because I used the phrase "doctrine of necessity" as one reason to justify the granting the TRO. Any comments? Does anybody else feel that I have risked their lives by requesting an order restraining the use of lethal force by federal agents, officers, and employees? Comments here will be most appreciated. =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Fri May 31 18:07:20 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06637 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA24343 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:52:10 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24327 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:52:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27939; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:50:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA26598; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:44:21 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17505; Fri, 31 May 96 17:36:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF89B9@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 17:07:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Fri, 31 May 96 17:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF89B9@msgate> Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= It would be useful to know *who* called. IMO, any form of legal (lawful) action that we can take to HELP them, should not put them in jeopardy. Unless it scares the bad-guys into acting before legal recourse can be achieved. Either way, it's got to be tried. Because they will balk at legal recourse anyway. The only awkwardness I can see from your attempt is that "The Doctrine of necessity" is precisely what "they" have been relying on all along to do their dirty work. BTW, my sister (in Helena) reports that *supposedly* the media has not been totally removed from the scene only moved back. They can still *supposedly* see the Freemen house. My home Email is 71552.2725@compuserve.com for those interested. My personal feelings as to the safety of the Freemen.... I would STRONGLY urge MOM to bivouac on private property as close as possible to the scene. Get the permission from whomever you can to set up camp. The only thing that will save them is public scrutiny. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I just got a very hostile phone call from someone who accused me of risking the lives of the Freemen of Montana by filing a Petition for Temporary Restraining Order with Garfield County District Court specifically because I used the phrase "doctrine of necessity" as one reason to justify the granting the TRO. Any comments? Does anybody else feel that I have risked their lives by requesting an order restraining the use of lethal force by federal agents, officers, and employees? Comments here will be most appreciated. =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 12:43:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23890 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00543 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:52:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00539 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:52:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09105 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:51:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA21926 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:34:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09604; Mon, 3 Jun 96 11:29:13 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B32EF4@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 11:29:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. Congresscriminals Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 11:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B32EF4@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I like the idea. Take out the leaders, and the mice will quiet down. Of course, this is the same tactic they will be using against us. Our only benifit, is in numbers, so we will need to have MANY leaders. Count me as one. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counsellors, John DiNardo is working on a project to find Constitutionalist email addresses in each Congressional district. The idea is to emplace a legal force in each Congressional, with the support needed to uphold it, to go after Congressmen for perjury of oath of office whenever they introduce and get through Congress an illegal bill. Question: Do Congressmen hold any immunity for their legislative enactments? If they don't then I think the best strategy is to concentrate on sponsors. I think it would be easier to show intent & also if you target a majority of Congressmen their going to stick together, but if you pick off one or two at a time the nature of these wolves lead me to believe that we might be able to pull this off. For instance, say we file a suit against Charles "the Scum" Skummer for sponsoring a bill in direct contradiction to the very Constitution he took an oath to uphold. Lot's of Republicans don't like Skummer or his legislation, so they just might let him burn. Any comments? ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 15:23:14 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12555 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08764 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:22:08 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08748 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:21:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23727 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:20:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA03001 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14821; Mon, 3 Jun 96 14:05:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B3537B@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 14:04:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Service Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 14:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B3537B@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Q2: We've served the sheriff already, but my question is that since it is >merely a notice, is the person serving the notice entitled to the same >immunities as a summons server? Since it is just NOTICE, I would think that there would be no available repurcussions to the servers. >Q3: When I tried to serve the magistrate he wouldn't come out of his >chambers, and the clerks wouldn't let me in. Is this an obstruction of >justice? Would it be if it were a summons? He is like a rat in a hole, in his chambers. Serve him at HOME. AFA the clerks, you might try obstruction, but since they may well have been in federal/state territory it might fall on deaf ears. For the Magistrate, it might come to evading, or unlawful flight. Just my opinions. Lyle ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 17:46:40 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11377 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA15050 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:22:42 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA15046 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:22:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04495 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:21:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA11143 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18939; Mon, 3 Jun 96 15:42:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B36A34@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 15:41:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 15:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B36A34@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Like Max says, the People must be able to act on the oaths or they mean >nothing. > >As far as legislating for the United States or the united States of America. >I agree with your comments. I say, though, we can expose the charade by >making them use the defense, "Hey, I was merely legislating for the >territories not the States." The courts may try to throw the case out as >being frivolous...well, then I say just incorporate that judge into the case >and move for a de novo hearing. > >~Tom Clark > >>>>>> >I agree with you Tom...we can incorporate the judge and run it up the system >by Notice of Refusal for Fraud...that is if put "Incorporated" in front of >the case number on the suit, then only a Federal Superior Court Judge can >dismiss the case. The District and lower courts can not. I believe that they >would not even touch it...and it would become a Supreme Court case by default. > Not only that..there is no precedence or statutes for "perjury of oath", and >since it is a new "entity", it would most likely be heard by the Supreme >Court. If we do it right the case can not be dismissed without the dismissee >getting sucked into it. It may work. > >Yours in Liberty >John Edward: Burr, sui juris Since the people in question have taken this "oath of honor" at our bequest they must be accountable for their oath. The exact crime would not be "perjury of oath". It would be TREASON. As their direct/indirect action/inaction would be "contributing" to the overthrowing of our established Republic. Most people don't even think of treason in regard to our elected officials. Treason is not a crime that is "limited" to times of war. Its penalty during times of war is death, that does not limit its action to times of war. Treason can just as easily be accomplished in times of "so-called" peace, maybe even easier. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:36:54 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19490 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07555 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:29:24 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07551 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:29:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21967; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:27:43 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA04314; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:18:14 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13627; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:16:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B46F29@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:15:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B46F29@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon wrote: >At 15:45 96/06/03 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>It would be TREASON. As their direct/indirect action/inaction would be >>"contributing" to the overthrowing of our established Republic. >> >>Most people don't even think of treason in regard to our elected officials. >>Treason is not a crime that is "limited" to times of war. > >Originally, "treason" had the broader meaning you suggest, but the Framers >restricted the definition, precisely to disallow prosecution for "political" >crimes: > >Art. III Sec. 2 - "Treason against the United States shall consist only of >levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid >and Comfort." Another English dropout? Please re-read this section. The first part of the sentence implies what you are saying. However, at the COMMA, there is the word OR. This implies a SECOND (or more) set of conditions by which to judge treason. ....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. You do not have to be in a formally declared war to have enemies. Remember Vietnam? It was never a formally declared war. In fact most of our recent excursions have not been formally declared, by Congress, as war. And what about the "Cold War?" We certainly had/have a very visible enemy in that one. Your interpretation, through the incorrect usage of grammatical punctuation, is precisely why nobody can read the Second Amendment and understand what it means. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:03 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07390 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09281 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:08:00 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09277 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:07:56 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26140 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:06:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA08015 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15344; Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:03:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B47A53@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 11:02:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 11:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B47A53@msgate> Encoding: 46 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I for one would like to see some real independent action. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 10:31AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counsellors, My efforts in promoting an Independent Grand Jury (especially as a interceding measure for the Freemen of Justus Township) has been met with some heavy opposition in this medium. I ask that you reconsider the proposal with these clarifications: 1. The Independant Grand Jury will simply ask both sides to testify. 2. The Independant Grand Jury will attempt every sort of action to get the established courts to accept complaints made by the IGJ; to be prosecuted by whoever the IGJ appoints. 3. Once the case is established the prosecutor can come on-line for assistance on the case, if he needs it. 4. The IGJ should hear only Federal Issues. Whether or not the IGJ meets with your approval as a bona-fide Grand Jury or not, is not any body entitled to hear evidence and file a complaint based on that evidence on behalf of the People? Is not this same body entitled to appoint the prosecutor of their choice, as long as the prosecution decides to take the case? Your support is desperately needed. Even if you are just giving your stamp of approval (that is putting your name out there) that this effort deserves the support of the People. If we can incorporate the above in the IGJ plan, can I get your permission to put your name on the plan? ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:08 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25856 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14068 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:08:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14037 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:08:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03481 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:06:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA12537 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18212; Tue, 4 Jun 96 12:01:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B487EF@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 12:01:03 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Why take an Oath? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 12:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B487EF@msgate> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Or should I say, What is an oath of office, and why most public officials must take them? In days of old, a mans word was his bond. As was his signature. As we have all noticed over the years both signs of integrity have been sorely abused and even compromised. When a member of a society takes public office, they do so at the bequest of their peers. Remember, we are all equal. In order to remain accountable for their actions, and to the peers that elected them, they are required to swear an oath. This oath is affirmation of the task to which they have been elected, such as, ...to uphold the Constitution. It maters not whether the oath was verbal, written, or both. Once broken their bond is void. They no longer hold the esteem of their peers and can no longer function on their behalf. An oath, as a signature, means everything to a Man, or Woman in todays "unequal" times. This must be the cornerstone of all litigation when in pursuit of elected officials. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17962 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19038 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:09:07 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19020 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:08:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17813; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:07:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA20803; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:04:18 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23517; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:58:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4A341@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 13:57:37 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:02:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4A341@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon writes: >At 10:19 96/06/04 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. >> >>This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. > >Of course. I did not say it applied only to wartime activities. However, >from the writings and debates of the Framers, it is clear that they meant >foreign enemies, not domestic ones. I would like to be able to interpret >this to include domestic enemies, too, but they intended specifically to >exclude that. > >That is why the leaders of the Southern states were not prosecuted for >treason following the Civil War. They were not foreign enemies. I'm afraid you're way off base on this one. There is no other way to interpret that section of the Constitution. I believe that when *they* take their oath that they specifically state "to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic." I know the Prez does. Can you give relevant cites from the original framers as to their intent? Even they, the framers, knew that there were domestic enemies. Of course most of them were considered to be agents of the King and therefore NOT citizens. I believe the were referred to as Esquires. (;-)) AFA the Southern states being prosecuted for treason. What a hoot! It was the Northern states who were guilty of treason. The Southerners just happened to lose the battle, the war isn't over yet. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16362 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19846 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:39:08 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19842 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:39:04 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21790; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:37:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA23047; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:35:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25926; Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:26:27 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4A9CF@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:25:35 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4A9CF@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon, you wrote: >At 08:35 96/06/04 U, John Burr wrote: >>in Blacks Law Dict. Person is >>defined as Corporation, Partnership, etc. ie. paper entities and not real >>Citizens or People. > >That is not quite correct. A "person" is any entity that can be the subject >of due process. It includes natural human individuals, and also corporate >entities consisting of aggregates of human individuals, treated under law as >though they were a single individual, as a matter of law and convenience. Jon, It sounds as though you are basing your definitions on "commonly held" principles of "modern jurisprudence." From research you can find that nowhere in any definition are persons ever referred to as men, women, or children. Only person(s), or individuals. Don't you find that curiously odd? In your explanation you also do not refer to men, women, or children. You now consider a person to be an entity. What is an entity? Where did you get your definition of entity? If men, women, or children are the object of, or subject of any law, why doesn't it clearly state such? In tax laws, for example, a person is a corporate entity. Can the definition of person be different for other laws? I think not. And I believe the Supreme Court would agree with me, reference the Hooven case and the definition of what "United States" means. A person is corporate chattel. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:53 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29711 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23490 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:48:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23481 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:48:30 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01483; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:46:59 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29317; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:44:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01230; Tue, 4 Jun 96 15:40:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4BB11@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 15:39:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: What is Treason? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 15:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4BB11@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I had to respond to this again after thinking more about it. The offense of Treason can only be applied to domestic enemies. That is the whole concept of treason....aiding and abetting ones enemies. So to be charged with treason it is to be assumed that you *were* considered to be a citizen of good standing until your true motives were uncovered. There is no reason to charge an enemy with treason, as they are in actuality waging war. Their act, unto themselves and their brethren is not treasonous, it is war against an enemy. So again, to be treasonous, you must have changed sides without knowledge of that given to your original brethren. So you would be held in high regard by them and capable of doing great harm from within. Treason is solely for domestic use. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris >At 10:19 96/06/04 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. >> >>This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. > >Of course. I did not say it applied only to wartime activities. However, >from the writings and debates of the Framers, it is clear that they meant >foreign enemies, not domestic ones. I would like to be able to interpret >this to include domestic enemies, too, but they intended specifically to >exclude that. > >That is why the leaders of the Southern states were not prosecuted for >treason following the Civil War. They were not foreign enemies. From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:17 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16120 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25639 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25630 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:13 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07997; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:36:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA03093; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03512; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:26:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4C5E3@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:25:23 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: John Burr Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4C5E3@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >From: Bryce A. Burr wrote>>> > >John, > >What is your take on the Freemen situation. Are they as Charles Duke >says, just a group of criminals hiding behind laws that they don't even >abide by, or are they doing the right thing, or does anyone even know? >In any event they still shouldn't be executed without, DUE PROCESS OF >LAW!! Write me back and let me know what the consensus amoung your group > of friends. > >Bryce Anthony; Burr >Real Estate Guru Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:09 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09761 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25629 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25620 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:08 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07993; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:36:37 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA03096; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:34:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03799; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:32:37 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4C75E@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:31:42 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:35:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4C75E@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Your error is in equating violation of the oath of office with "treason". >They are not the same thing. An oath violation is a criminal common law >felony, and a statutory felony in every state, subject to the constitutional >defects of some states in not authorizing power to their state legislatures >to impose penalties for oath violations. It is treason if the "violation" usurps power from the people and gives it to someone else. If the "violation" steals rights and or property. You, Sir, are taking the "violation" of ones oath VERY lightly. An oath of office is to be held in the highest esteem. Not something that will only get you a slap on the hand if it is VIOLATED. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10370 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26317 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:58:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26313 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:58:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10314; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:56:54 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA04370; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:54:12 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04912; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:46:17 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4CA92@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:45:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:50:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4CA92@msgate> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >That is essentially correct, except that the Framers restricted the >definition to require that the citizen either make war, or aid a foreign >enemy (not necessarily during an active war). > >Of course we are left with the definition of what constitutes "making war", >but it is clear the Framers did not intend it to include making legislative, >judicial, or executive decisions. An element of physical violence must be >involved. And you conveniently left out the second portion...OR aid a foreign enemy. What then constitutes AID? Aiding a foreign enemy is not necessarily going to involve violence. It might be something as mundane as passing a law. Like making it illegal to own gold. Making it illegal to own a gun. Making it illegal to defend yourself. I could go on you know. You have lost your arguement. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:35 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06632 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23963; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22944; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21514; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BDFB@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:03:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BDFB@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP >>news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the >>Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the >>Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. >> >>He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. >>He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. >>There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and >>elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise >>do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. > >DUE PROCESS works in two directions. >Both sides have a chance to point fingers. >Clean hands are rare in most court cases. I understand that. I'm just relaying a story from AP. My sister is sending the actual clip, so I can give a better account. I'm all for DUE PROCESS. That's what this is all about. Many of us in the Militia are divided over whether or not we agree with what they have done. We do, however, all agree on the NEED for due process. NO MORE WACO's. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26205 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31519 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA31501 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:37 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23963; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22944; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21514; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BDFB@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:03:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BDFB@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP >>news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the >>Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the >>Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. >> >>He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. >>He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. >>There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and >>elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise >>do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. > >DUE PROCESS works in two directions. >Both sides have a chance to point fingers. >Clean hands are rare in most court cases. I understand that. I'm just relaying a story from AP. My sister is sending the actual clip, so I can give a better account. I'm all for DUE PROCESS. That's what this is all about. Many of us in the Militia are divided over whether or not we agree with what they have done. We do, however, all agree on the NEED for due process. NO MORE WACO's. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:17 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11736 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:30:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31500 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA31491 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23948; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22948; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21656; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:11:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BF70@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:10:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: gdoty Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BF70@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >So far, so good. I think you both are missing part of the picture. Who IS >the enemy? Many might argue that the enemy is the international bankers aka >Federal Reserve, or the UN, or a host of others. May I suggest reading the >Trading With The Enemy Act. I think it refers to *We the People* as the enemy. >Greg Been there, done that. Try and get NON-believers to go there and read the writing on the wall. In the eyes of our government lead by such true visionaries as Woodrow Wilson, adn Franklin D Roosevelt (a Federal Reserve Banker) we are the enemy. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:43 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19556 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:57:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA32280 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:48:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA32273 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:48:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27906; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:47:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25555; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:44:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22544; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:35:57 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5C527@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:34:31 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5C527@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >The Framers were in a hurry to finish the document. They were hot, tired, >and wanted to keep it short, in part for the practical reason of holding >down the cost of printing copies of it during a period when newsprint was >expensive. But whatever the reason, they did what they did and we have to >work with that. Even if we don't like it. That is what it means to be a true >constitutionalist. You shouldn't stretch so far, you'll hurt yourself. >In the final analysis, we are not going to win by suing or prosecuting >officials for violating their oaths. We are going to win by getting the >general public to reject them for doing so, at the ballot box and in the >jury box. None of this will happen without the enlightened support of the >people. There are no easy solutions here. If you feel that GETTING THE PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE is the answer you are one misinformed dude. The media OWNS the vote. They control the count 100%. This has been PROVEN in this last election year. I don't know if I still have the post I'll search at home. I believe it was from Dan Druck. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris > >--Jon From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:56 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01501 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:50:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00648 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:08:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00638 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:08:21 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00798; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:06:51 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27036; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23146; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:58:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5CA72@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:57:06 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 11:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5CA72@msgate> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >I do not take it lightly. If I did I wouldn't be involved in the >constitutionalist movement, and I wouldn't have launched the national >militia movement in the way that I did. The problem is that the Framers >neglected to include in Art. I Sec. 8 a power "to define the punishment for >violation of oaths (of office)". (The "of office" could be omitted to >include the violation of other kinds of oaths.) They relied on people to >have the "fear of God" and the loss of their reputations. They failed to >anticipate that in times to come the people would vote for oathbreakers if >those oathbreakers promised to further their economic interests. You single handedly launched the national militia movement! Wow! Glad to know you. At last we all know who gave us the vision and fortitude to band together in our Militias. I'm sure all of my militia friends will get quite a thrill out of reading your post. You give yourself FAR TOO MUCH credit my friend. I am a co-founder of our local Militia, we've been together for a few years now, and have NEVER heard of you. I hope that you learn from experience, and quit misleading true patriots. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia (co-founder) From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:12 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04786 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11400 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:38:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11396 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:38:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26343; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:37:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA13188; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01838; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:30:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5FC00@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:28:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:34:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5FC00@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >> >>You single handedly launched the national militia movement! > >I didn't say I did it single-handedly. What I did was issue a national >call-up to activate militias everywhere back in March, 1994, We beat you by more than a year here in California. Get informed. There is NO REAL national movement. Only localized groups who are loosely joined to brother and sister units in other states. I have been involved since the fall of 1992. That is when I coined the phrase "The Sleeping Giant" in reference to the silent majority and the militias. There is now a quasi-national group that goes by that name. Everything is always bigger in Texas. Lyle From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21293 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:37:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA16794 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:16:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA16790 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:16:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00893; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:17:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA16054; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03632; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B60442@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:03:46 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B60442@msgate> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>RESPONSE >>Your response is weak on the "like-minded individuals". When a Grand Jury >>is seated don't they swear in to uphold the Constitution? Are then they NOT >>"like-minded"? What if they all liked the color blue? Can they then be >>disqualified? > >A better term might be "biased" or "partial". In other words, not >representative of the population of the jurisdiction. Now, granted, chosing >from a pool of registered voters or persons with drivers licenses is not >quite representative, but it avoids most kinds of potential bias. Lyle interupts>>> Selection from a "pool" of people with DL's who happen to be registered voters does not in any way form a "representative" body of jurors. And in NO WAY will it ensure the lack of "potential bias." >Nevertheless, the Independent Grand Jury plan I have been >advocating gives public notice that a committee is forming to got to >Billings to possibly seat a GJ. Anyone willing to take the oath to uphold >the Constitution and has been appointed by ten others may go? This does not >preclude opponents to forming a GJ, let alone people of dissimilar attitudes >towards the Feds or Patriot Movement. >To prepare them for a favorable outcome, you will need to educate the >entire population of the jurisdiction, through flyers, public meetings, >letters to the editor, talk radio appearances, advertisements, and other >such methods. Lyle bursting Jon's bubble>>> Sorry Jon. But it is now illegal to do what you suggest in Montana. It is called "Criminal syndicalism." Please quit trying to impress us with your lack of knowledge. From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 11:16:57 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23326 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:28:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16982 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:08:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16967 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:08:12 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27281 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:06:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA13872 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29338; Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:51:30 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B71A23@msgate>; Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:49:23 PDT X-UIDL: 834170017.052 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:52:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B71A23@msgate> Encoding: 43 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I agree. If a law can be termed "void" if repugnant to the Constitution, so should a decision. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr' of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) Date: Thursday, June 06, 1996 9:32AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Any comments on Mr. Silver's suggestion? ~Tom Clark >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT) >From: Steven Silver >To: roc@xmission.com >cc: restore our constitution , > against constitutional terrorist >Subject: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) >Sender: owner-roc@xmission.com >Reply-To: roc@xmission.com > >Dan Schultz and I have done a little research of late re: the SC's >authority to invalidate a right through decisions. What's interesting is, >the SC stated in Marbury v. Madison that any law repugnant to the >Constitution is void because the Constition is the supreme law of the >land. However, the Court failed to take it a step further and examine the >effect of a judicial decision which is repugnant to the Constitution. I >woudl suggest that, just as an unconstitutional law is voide, so it an >unconstitutional decision. Thus, Dred Scott and Plessy Ferguson were >void rulings; it just took the Court several years to figure it out. >Steve Silver > From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 19:33:31 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15966 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19408 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:12:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA19402 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:12:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08095 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:11:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA19061 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:04:28 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07621; Fri, 7 Jun 96 17:00:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B8C203@msgate>; Fri, 07 Jun 96 16:57:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: California bank Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B8C203@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I have an account at CityBank. A normal one. I went in one day and simply asked one of the tellers about opening an account with a W-8. Her only question was IF I was going to get an SSN some day. To which I replied no I'm not. It didn't appear that it would be a problem to open an account there with the W-8. I'm going to move in about a year, so I'm not in a big hurry to change my account here. When I move I'll open my new account(s) with W-8's. Don't take any BULLSHIT from those people, you don't have too! But try the NICE approach first. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: California bank Date: Friday, June 07, 1996 1:09PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I hope this isn't to off-subject, but could someone recommend a non-FDIC bank in Southern California, or one that doesn't make a fuss about no SSN? Thanks Regards, Dan ================================= None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 1749-1832 ************************************* "I know my facts are right. I heard it on NBC." - the general populace ************************************* "Peace is the surest way to socialism." - V. Lenin ************************************* "I care not who makes a nation's laws so long as I can control its money" - Lord Rothschild From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 11:57:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18412 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27954 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:23:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA27950 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:23:16 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05653; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:20:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12270; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:14:18 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22978; Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:09:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC55BB@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:04:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Freemen Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC55BB@msgate> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Received interesting Newspaper articles from my sister in Helena. Will summarize and post tomorrow. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:50:29 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01131 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29163 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:23:50 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA29159 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:23:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13626 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:21:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA17002 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:14:31 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24986; Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:06:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC6302@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:01:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: IRS Admin Hearing Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC6302@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I have sent them, via "registered return receipt" an "Order and Demand to Show Cause." With my points specified, and summarized with "Order and Demand for Administrative Hearing and Investigation." I haven't heard back from them yet. But I did get my receipt. I also got my employers attention with the same procedure. i.e. "Order and Demand." My employer is no longer "Withholding taxes". (Federal or State). They are still withholding for SSA and medicare/disability. They forwarded my Docs to the IRS, for them to answer my questions. This is something my employer steadfastly refused to do for the last year. They did NOT REFUSE my "Order and Demand." You might even want to try just calling them, and requesting a hearing over the phone. (But talk to someone important) The person (imbecile woman, no offense intended to the "Ladies" on the list) with whom I talk with here in San Joses' office was very obstinate, and admitted to not ever having read the code. I wasn't surprised. If you would like, I could send you copies of my Docs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: Liberty Law List Subject: LLAW: IRS Admin Hearing Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 9:50AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I'm getting 'bills' from the IRS (and threats) and I've heard that requesting an Administrative hearing was probably the best way to get this thing resolved. I've done the normal refusal letters, proof of jurisdiction, I earn no taxable 'income', etc. all of which have gone completely ignored (what a shock). Does anyone know the best way to demand a hearing, and what questions should be put to them while I have their attention? Thanks. -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:06:47 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04792 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11508 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:40:18 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA27045 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:34:49 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03630; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:22:42 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC82EA@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:17:46 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Email editor Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:26:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC82EA@msgate> Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sign me up! Will do what ever I can, financially and other. Request that the list is asked to help AFA airfare etc. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:40:06 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26522 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:12:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14810; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:11:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29586; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:04:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04513; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:55:19 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC8A8D@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:50:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: re: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:59:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC8A8D@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, The faxes were VERY interesting reading. I noted that the Judge wants "U.S. Dollars." Further he specifically stipulates that "Freemen Checks" ....OR OTHER LIKE TENDER will NOT be acceptable. You MUST ASK SPECIFICALLY IF FRN's are acceptable tender. If they are NOT this is admissible PROOF of some of the Freemens claims being true. Further when the clerk sent your Docs back to you, she doesn't just leave it at saying you have to pay. She states they are being returned because you must file it in Supreme Court!!! Fax number four. Or is this for a SECOND set of Documents? What gives? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:29:10 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15110 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:24:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA32199 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:39 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA32193 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:35 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14810; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:11:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29586; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:04:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04513; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:55:19 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC8A8D@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:50:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:59:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC8A8D@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul, The faxes were VERY interesting reading. I noted that the Judge wants "U.S. Dollars." Further he specifically stipulates that "Freemen Checks" ....OR OTHER LIKE TENDER will NOT be acceptable. You MUST ASK SPECIFICALLY IF FRN's are acceptable tender. If they are NOT this is admissible PROOF of some of the Freemens claims being true. Further when the clerk sent your Docs back to you, she doesn't just leave it at saying you have to pay. She states they are being returned because you must file it in Supreme Court!!! Fax number four. Or is this for a SECOND set of Documents? What gives? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06832 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA00064 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:39:43 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00060 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:39:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19183; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:40:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA01884; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05194; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:20:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC907C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:15:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Charles Marcus , Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: W-4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC907C@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Hi Paul, I too, have the Vultures book and was greatly enlightened by it. BUT, I agree with "Sir" Charles 100%. Don't go off half cocked. I did, and lost $500. I may recover it though. If/when I get an administrative hearing. It has taken me over a year to get my employer on my side. My original docs, virtually copied from Vultures, all were dismissed as frivolous. Then I really started to do research and ultimately came up with my two documents which are now "apparently" working. It has been only one month so far, but NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS when dealing with the IRS. My biggest accomplishment, IMHO, was in getting my employer to write the kind of letter that Charles suggests ON THEIR OWN. They had previously flatly refused to even entertain the idea. I FORCED THEM, nicely, to pay attention to my request. Further, I told them in no uncertain terms, that I had NO TAXABLE STATUS, and was a NON-TAXPAYER until my questions were answered. I also informed them that I was "withdrawing my VOLUNTARY participation" in these government programs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:45:49 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26436 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19183; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:40:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA01884; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05194; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:20:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC907C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:15:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Charles Marcus , Liberty Law Subject: W-4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC907C@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi Paul, I too, have the Vultures book and was greatly enlightened by it. BUT, I agree with "Sir" Charles 100%. Don't go off half cocked. I did, and lost $500. I may recover it though. If/when I get an administrative hearing. It has taken me over a year to get my employer on my side. My original docs, virtually copied from Vultures, all were dismissed as frivolous. Then I really started to do research and ultimately came up with my two documents which are now "apparently" working. It has been only one month so far, but NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS when dealing with the IRS. My biggest accomplishment, IMHO, was in getting my employer to write the kind of letter that Charles suggests ON THEIR OWN. They had previously flatly refused to even entertain the idea. I FORCED THEM, nicely, to pay attention to my request. Further, I told them in no uncertain terms, that I had NO TAXABLE STATUS, and was a NON-TAXPAYER until my questions were answered. I also informed them that I was "withdrawing my VOLUNTARY participation" in these government programs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:15:30 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03666 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:11:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21805 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:10:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03927 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:04:42 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06577; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:58:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC995C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:53:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: NET shorthand Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC995C@msgate> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 AFA......As far as OTOH....On the other hand BTW.....By the way IMO, IMHO......In my opinion, In my honest opinion There are many NET shorthand words out there. Some I don't know, or haven't even seen. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:15:32 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03704 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:12:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21850 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:10:35 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03936 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:04:45 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06630; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:00:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC99EC@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:55:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:04:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC99EC@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It's OK for now. I haven't tried printing though. But I have several programs at home that should make printing a snap. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Freemen faxes Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 2:33PM At 01:59 PM 6/10/96 PDT, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org >======================================================================= > >Paul, > >The faxes were VERY interesting reading. this transmission and compression method is working OK for you then? I think PAINT is quite uniquitous, what do you think? (ps I like "spray can" the best; cyberfiti) Fasten your seat belts AND your harnesses. This is going to be one wild ride, you can be sure of that! =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09567 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00253 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:00:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00244 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:00:34 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26413; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:58:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA07583; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:54:46 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08456; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:40:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA332@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:35:30 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA332@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= We are making progress in our action to restrain the FBI from using LETHAL FORCE in their action against the Freemen of Montana. We have filed, almost, the necessary paperwork. At first the Clerk of the court was going to waive the filing fee. The Judge, however, overruled her decision. He stated that a filing fee of $95 U.S. Dollars must be paid, and the "Plaintiff" must appear in the court, at 11am on June 19th. At which time the "points" can be argued. Problem #1. We need clarification of what $95 U.S. Dollars actually is. The Judge stated that Freemen checks, or other TENDER will not be accepted. This, IMO, means no FRN's. But also, and more importantly, it means payment in SILVER DOLLARS. Which is what SEVEN times as much money. This ADMISSION by the Judge, is PROOF of one or more of the Freemens' points. It also means "we" need to come up with some money ASAP. Please HELP. I am willing to put forth $100 right now. He is, I believe also going to need airfare, from Arizona to Montana. The PRIMARY respondent in this, is Paul Mitchell. pmitch@primenet.com I guess I am the de facto secondary. We have the faxes as transmitted from the Clerk back to Paul. From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:25 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20793 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:18:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00492 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:11:35 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00488 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:11:31 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27387; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:09:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA08244; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09530; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:01:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA832@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:56:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA832@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= We are making progress in our action to restrain the FBI from using LETHAL FORCE in their action against the Freemen of Montana. We have filed, almost, the necessary paperwork. At first the Clerk of the court was going to waive the filing fee. The Judge, however, overruled her decision. He stated that a filing fee of $95 U.S. Dollars must be paid, and the "Plaintiff" must appear in the court, at 11am on June 19th. At which time the "points" can be argued. Problem #1. We need clarification of what $95 U.S. Dollars actually is. The Judge stated that Freemen checks, or other TENDER will not be accepted. This, IMO, means no FRN's. But also, and more importantly, it means payment in SILVER DOLLARS. Which is what SEVEN times as much money. This ADMISSION by the Judge, is PROOF of one or more of the Freemens' points. It also means "we" need to come up with some money ASAP. Please HELP. I am willing to put forth $100 right now. He is, I believe also going to need airfare, from Arizona to Montana. The PRIMARY respondent in this, is Paul Mitchell. pmitch@primenet.com I guess I am the de facto secondary. We have the faxes as transmitted from the Clerk back to Paul. Sorry I forgot to sign my post. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:20 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18562 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:09:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27148 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:08:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA08248 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09685; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:04:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA8B8@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:59:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: NET shorthand Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA8B8@msgate> Encoding: 38 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 10,000!!!! Someone has too much spare time. [8-))= Goatee Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: NET shorthand Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 3:29PM At 03:01 PM 6/10/96 PDT, you wrote: > >AFA......As far as > >OTOH....On the other hand > >BTW.....By the way > >IMO, IMHO......In my opinion, In my honest opinion > >There are many NET shorthand words out there. Some >I don't know, or haven't even seen. have you seen the 10,000 emoticons? (:-))<-- beard > >Lyle > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:27 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23364 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29707 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:27:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA09484 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:24:32 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10073; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:14:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCAB3F@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:09:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Occams Razor Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCAB3F@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Is that in reference to William of Ockham, the philosopher? c.1300-1349A.D. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:31 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02302 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA01539 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01534 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:05 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01020; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:38:42 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA10150; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:35:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10640; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:29:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCAEC0@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:24:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Freemen court case update Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:33:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCAEC0@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul has asked the Clerk to verify whether or not they will accept a USDPMO in lieu of the $95 U.S. Dollars the Judge requested. He stated in his request that he "believes" that there are NO "U.S. Dollars" in circulation at this time. Further, because of the request to be paid in such he is paying via the USDPMO "under protest." We still have no deffinitive answer as to if they will accept the USDPMO. If they will not, it is more proof of the "conspiracy." Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 11:07:37 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00778 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19237; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:38:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09139; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:24:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDAA68@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:18:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDAA68@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Another alternative for you Paul is this. Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with Quick Link II. Everyone should then get LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Get it from mmedia@world.std.com This program lets you resize the BMP to any size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18432 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15731 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:41:25 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15719 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:41:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19237; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:38:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09139; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:24:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDAA68@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:18:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDAA68@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul, Another alternative for you Paul is this. Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with Quick Link II. Everyone should then get LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Get it from mmedia@world.std.com This program lets you resize the BMP to any size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:39 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14153 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16072 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16068 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:42 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23065; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:19:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA01917; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:14:56 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10921; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:09:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDB4F1@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:03:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDB4F1@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >The adoption of the appelation "esquire" by lawyers has no meaning. It is >just an affectation. > >--Jon Your statements however true they may be, do not apply to the mater at hand. This is how the non-believers make light of a very complex situation. You can liken it to the phrase "that was then this is now." In this context we must remove ourselves from "now" and rekindle the spirit of "then." In the beggining, lawyers WERE given titles of NOBILITY from the KING of ENGLAND. Our buddy. He started the whole shebang with his Royal Bar Association. ALL lawyers were TRAINED by other LAWYERS who were trained by the ORIGINAL LAWYERS who were LOYAL TO THE KING of ENGLAND. Our buddy. Three times our forefathers tried to ban lawyers from public office. The third time was all but forgotten due to the War of 1812. Which was fought BECAUSE of the IMPENDING PASSAGE of the TRUE 13th Amendment. It was finally passed in March of 1819. It was PUBLISHED up until 1867 (Colorado). Hmmm, when did that pesky old Civil War, The War of NORTHERN AGRESSION end? And how come the current 13th Amendment is stated to have been written in 1865? The Colorado books show it, the current 13th Amendment, as being the 14th Amendment. Also, the American Bar Association was foundedd in 1861. I'm gonna hurl! Why can't you SEE the connections? There isn't a law in this country that was written after 1819 that is valid becuase they MAY have been written or voted on by LAWYERS who should have been REMOVED from public office in March of 1819. Wasn't Lincoln a LAWYER? He should not have been President. Ever. Since the War of NORTHERN AGRESSION. The ABA has gained such widespread public support, I'm gonna hurl, that they just plain ignore the fact tha they were once LOYAL TO THE KING OF ENGLAND. Who cares! Nobody cares! I get sick every time they have a special on the BOOB-TUBE about the ROYALS of ENGLAND and what they are doing today. Who cares! They are not my idols! The facts will NEVER change. LAWYERS, even some today, are the DEMON SEED of the KING of ENGLAND. Some today are on our side, because the fact of the mater is that the damage was done so long ago that they no longer have to enlist the aid of ALL of the lawyers of the world. Use your head man! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:47 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29102 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16158 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16154 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24584 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:37:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03170 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:35 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11578; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:22:10 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDB804@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:16:36 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Militia Press Release Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDB804@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Other than with the commies...anyone know of ANY treaty or promises kept by >this government? > >kerry You saw it here first folks! The $64,000 dollar question. What TREATY has the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ever kept, except with COMMUNIST COUNTRIES? All entries must be post marked no later than 12:00pm GMT July 4th 1776. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:42 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13745 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24746; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03171; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11803; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:32:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDBA55@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:26:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDBA55@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Response follows... >At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >> >>Paul, >> >>Another alternative for you Paul is this. >> >>Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >>Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >>LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) > >Great idea. I will test first >then let you. This sounds >like just the thing. Have you >tried it yourself on a fax formatted >file? Does it require Windows? Yes it's a Windows program. Still it's shareware. A store bought program, called Photo Magic, works with either PCX or BMP, it also is Windows based. And yes I have viewed your faxes in both programs, quite clearly. > >> >>Get it from >> >>mmedia@world.std.com > >This looks like an email address, >not a WWW URL. How do I go >about getting the file; is there >an autoresponder? Please advise. > The Author can be reached at that localality. You could try doing a search (WWW) using Alta Vista or other search engine, for the "name" of the program. Lyle >> >>This program lets you resize the BMP to any >>size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. >> >>Lyle >> >> > >======================================================================>===== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >======================================================================>===== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:44 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04693 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16173 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:41:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16169 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:41:09 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24746; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03171; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11803; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:32:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDBA55@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:26:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDBA55@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Response follows... >At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >> >>Paul, >> >>Another alternative for you Paul is this. >> >>Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >>Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >>LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) > >Great idea. I will test first >then let you. This sounds >like just the thing. Have you >tried it yourself on a fax formatted >file? Does it require Windows? Yes it's a Windows program. Still it's shareware. A store bought program, called Photo Magic, works with either PCX or BMP, it also is Windows based. And yes I have viewed your faxes in both programs, quite clearly. > >> >>Get it from >> >>mmedia@world.std.com > >This looks like an email address, >not a WWW URL. How do I go >about getting the file; is there >an autoresponder? Please advise. > The Author can be reached at that localality. You could try doing a search (WWW) using Alta Vista or other search engine, for the "name" of the program. Lyle >> >>This program lets you resize the BMP to any >>size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. >> >>Lyle >> >> > >======================================================================>===== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >======================================================================>===== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 14:58:12 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19140 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14742 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:37:58 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA15984 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:34:43 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06689; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:19:59 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDE2FA@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:19:54 PDT X-UIDL: 834529700.002 From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: FW: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:23:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDE2FA@msgate> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Paul, Some people are already willing to donate. Where would you like the money sent? Lyle ---------- From: CMKennedy(CMKennedy@aol.com) To: myhr Subject: Re: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 3:53PM Lyle, We cannot contribute a lot to your cause, but if five or ten FRNs will help, please give me a snail mail address. At present, (husband out of work) we are barely feeding our children. I will, however, keep you and the others in my prayers. I'm sorry I cannot contribute more financially, but Ours is a Mighty God, and your efforts will be rewarded. Thank you and God bless you for your insightful posts. Connie From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 14:58:14 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19144 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:39:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14748 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:37:59 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA15988 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:34:48 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06925; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:29:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDE51F@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:29:03 PDT X-UIDL: 834529700.003 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:33:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDE51F@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Really? I guess my version is older than yours. You can still use Windows Paint to convert from PCX to BMP before you send them. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 1:30PM At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org >======================================================================= > >Paul, > >Another alternative for you Paul is this. > >Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Quick Link II fax/modem comm software only converts .FAX files into .PCX, .DCX, TIFF (compressed) and TIFF (uncompressed). .BMP conversions are not available in the latest version from Smith Micro Software Inc. >Get it from > >mmedia@world.std.com > >This program lets you resize the BMP to any >size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. > >Lyle > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 15:51:16 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10898 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22460 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:47:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA20623 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:44:22 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09499; Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:39:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDF59E@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:39:26 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDF59E@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Yea, I have that one too. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 2:20PM Another one I just heard about is Paint Shop Pro, available in 16-bit version at URL http://www.jasc.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 19:06:15 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21266 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26745 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:27:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA23236 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:24:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11098; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDFE20@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDFE20@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 You don't have a predisposed animosity towards them thar reptiles do ya? Lyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- NO, A lower PLANE, like a putrid swamp overpopulated with slithering reptiles. THAT KIND OF PLANE. lower =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05719 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00874 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:39:33 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00870 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:39:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09250; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:38:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14158; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:34:28 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10778; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:29:41 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BEFE5D@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:29:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BEFE5D@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >(4) Did the authors of the Missing 13th INTEND to exclude lawyers from >public office by this amendment? ABSOLUTELY! Again, you are not grasping the truth. >If so, why did they not make this intent more explicit? They were ABSOLUTELY EXPLICIT for the language OF THE TIME. >Broad language is one thing, but this is so broad that if >this was the intent, most ordinary readers of the text would miss it, and >the Constitution is supposed to be read and interpreted by ordinary people. It is broad ONLY when viewed of the language of TODAY. Because our language and heritage has become so abused by triviality we, some of you, can NO LONGER UNDERSTAND SIMPLE THINGS. >This may be a case where the text must be interpreted in a way that defeats >the intent, if it was worded so badly. The text is clear as a bell for intent. The only way it can be interpreted is a complete BAN of lawyers (Esquires) from ever serving in public office, because they have forfeited their "Citizenship." >I find the arguments that the Missing 13th would exclude lawyers from >holding public office to be unconvincing, albeit highly appealing. I'm >afraid we are going to have to accomplish that outcome the hard way, by not >voting for them. > >--Jon Only because you and others don't understand plain English anymore. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:55 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05947 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00473 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:17 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00469 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:12 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12137; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:08:17 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16381; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:04:40 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11762; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:00:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF058B@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:59:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF058B@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Let us be fair here. The decisions made by the U.S. Congress affect people >everywhere, and the people affected by those decisions deserve to have their >interests defended and their views heard, and some consideration needs to be >given to those interests. I for one, as an American citizen, do not want my >government to pursue policies that hurt people in other countries >excessively, especially as the result of some unintended consequence that >could easily be avoided without greatly hurting the interests of Americans. >Those foreign people don't get to vote. All they can do is hire people to >present their views. Whooooaa! Mr Liberal! Let us be fair here? Sure you can "imply" that our governments decisions affect people all over the world. SO DOES every other government in the world. Do you or I have ANY say in what other governments do? Not on your life Bubba! I have an interesting snippet of information from my 1906 Encyclopedia on "Naturalization." The War of 1812, was about Naturalization. It seems that even after our little Revolution, the English government, read that Crown, felt that "we" were still Englishmen. Their motto, "Once an Englishman, ALWAYS an Englishman." They still claimed us, kind of like claiming a dependant on your income tax. They still wanted tribute. They still wanted control. What better way to control than by having loyal agents of the King in public office. Hence our "Titles of Nobility" Amendment. Hence the War of 1812. I just stumbled upon it last night while researching "Ockham's Razor." He was a Naturalist, so I was looking it up, and found some very interesting stuff under "Naturalization." Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:54 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26852 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:19:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13047 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:18:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA17136 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:14:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12146; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:08:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF0788@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:08:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: FW: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF0788@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, If you don't have time I can do this. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul or Lyle, Can you work out a formal proposal and press release. Then I'll distribute it over the Liberty Newswire. Write it so a first time reader will understand what you guys are up to. ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 15:17:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11900 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:13:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02935 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:41:35 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02931 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:41:26 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01319; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:38:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00938; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22767; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:26:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF35E9@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:26:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF35E9@msgate> Encoding: 54 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Are you for real? The ideals you are now espousing are direct from the Communist Manifesto. Further, it is not "we" who have any say in the affairs of foreign government. It is, however, OUR MONEY that our leaders are sending to countries like Israel, to the tune of $3 Billion a year, just to Israel mind you. $300,000,000 per DAY is leaving this country. FOR WHAT? To line the pocket of some Trilateralist/Bilderburger/Communist slime! I say enough! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: jon.roland To: myhr.lyle Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 12:57PM At 11:03 96/06/12 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >Let us be fair here? Sure you can "imply" that our governments decisions >affect people all over the world. SO DOES every other government in the >world. Do you or I have ANY say in what other governments do? Come now, of course we do. What do you think foreign aid is all about? And what do you think the CIA does in most countries on a typical day? I still remember my visits to foreign politicians and how they solicited me for money. I'm sure they were used to getting it from Americans. I also think a lot of our money has done some good. Not always, of course, especially when it has supported tyrants. This is a game everyone plays, everywhere. The only solution I can see is going to election systems modeled on the elimination tournements of sports leagues, where almost anyone can enter the early rounds, and there is public financing of subsequent elimination rounds until the number of contestants are reduced to two, then to one. A cynical friend of mine once put it well: "Nothing gets done in government until you first create a channel of corruption." That is the situation we need to change. --Jon ======================================================================= Visit our Web site under its new domain name - http://www.constitution.org/ If you need help setting up your own Web site, call us at 916/927-4935. ======================================================================= From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 15:42:07 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09777 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:39:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06558 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:38:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA05177 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:35:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25224; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:24:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF435B@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:23:23 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF435B@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It is a lame rendition of his philosophies. My 1976 Encyclopedia gave a better account. My 1906 had nothing at all. Lyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary G. & C. Merriam Co., Springfield, Mass. 1981: OCCAM'S RAZOR n [William of Ockham]: a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE RIOTOUS TRICK ON THE READER! [The KISS of Daniel Webster.] keep it simple, stupid =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 17:18:14 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12203 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:38:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA09409 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27864; Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:21:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF50DC@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:21:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF50DC@msgate> Encoding: 66 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Absolutely! That is the whole point of learning to read, again! When people play with words, beat around the bush, or what have you, interpretations will suffer. Intentionally. It's like not being able to see your nose in spite of your face. You can't see the trees, because of the forest. You can't find an Esquire because there are too many Lawyers! Etc, etc. My encyclopedia said basically that, keep it simple. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 3:48PM At 03:27 PM 6/12/96 PDT, you wrote: > >It is a lame rendition of his philosophies. My 1976 >Encyclopedia gave a better account. My 1906 >had nothing at all. > >Lyle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- >from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary >G. & C. Merriam Co., Springfield, Mass. 1981: > >OCCAM'S RAZOR n [William of Ockham]: >a scientific and philosophic rule that entities >should not be multiplied unnecessarily which >is interpreted as requiring that the simplest >of competing theories be preferred to the >more complex or that explanations of unknown >phenomena be sought first in terms of known >quantities. I think this is a joke, Lyle. Occam's Razor is simply this: the simplest solution is the best. Webster's workers were playing a joke on the readers of their fine dictionary. Don't you agree? > >WHAT AN ABSOLUTE RIOTOUS TRICK ON THE READER! >[The KISS of Daniel Webster.] keep it simple, stupid > >=========================================================================== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >=========================================================================== > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 11:34:21 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12935 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19564 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:50 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA02735 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:24:43 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00217; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:14:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C05A21@msgate>; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:12:49 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Fax test Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C05A21@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Looking good! Yes BMP is a good format to stay with. It can easily be "pasted" into any Word Document. Editing is relatively easy, as a BMP. It doesn't have any TEXT qualities though. It has to be edited as a drawing. That in itself is not a problem. I have Delrina, but don't use it. Instead I use BitFax/BitCom. Same basic operation. Any program that can "print" from Windows, can produce a FAX. Lyle From ???@??? Fri Jun 14 17:33:06 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17478 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05078 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:49:27 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05072 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:48:47 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05128 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:45:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA00359 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:35:23 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25026; Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:32:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C1CBF5@msgate>; Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:30:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Declaration of Character Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C1CBF5@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I haven't heard anyting on the class action in about 6-8 months. I would doubt it is in Supreme Ct already; if it is, I would surmise there was no trial, and that a summary judgment or dismissal had been appealed. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- I'm one of the people on his "list". I haven't heard anything since I signed up. Maybe I'll drop him a line to see what's up. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr,; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 14 17:33:28 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28076 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07928 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:17 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA07915 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:09 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20761 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA13634 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:04:41 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04251; Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:02:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C1FD12@msgate>; Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:00:18 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Drat! No lawsuit...this time... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C1FD12@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Regards the below response from the Banks Attorney...If the bankers saw his >>response and stopped to think about what he wrote, they would probably >>fire him for misrepresenting himself! But, it is not unlike some typical >>responses in refusing an UCC negotiable instrument presented in tender of >>payment. >>kerry > >?? > >I'm not sure what you are talking about. In waht way did he misrepresent >himself? > >Charles Maybe he is refering to the lawyer telling the bank officials that *they* were upholding the law by *requiring* the information, as opposed to merely *asking* for it. He didn't really misrepresent himself as he did the "position that the bank should take, or rely on." JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 12:44:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22002 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15734 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:09:02 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15726 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:08:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03678 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:07:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA05894 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:04:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00201; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:50:00 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C58BC3@msgate>; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:45:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: ComLaw> W4 & Employment Eligibility Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C58BC3@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= -- >>>Need I say, all correspondence MUST be sent certified, return receipt > >Some clarification here...I have heard some say that you should use >REGISTERED, return receipt as opposed to CERTIFIED, return receipt. What are >the advantages and/or disadvantages of both. > ===========================>> Regards the above: Sending mail Registered is a lot different from sending it Certified. Certified mail is designated to a LOCATION rather than a person. Anyone at that location can sign for the mail. Registered mail on the other hand, is placed into a locked vault when you take it to the post office, where it remains until the day of service. It is considered a protected item. Only the person indicated on the Registered Mail item can sign for that mail. This type of mail is considered service because there is a valuable consideration paid by you, and you get the proper signature. The cost is considerably more, but it is worth it for that hard to get signature. (From the Nov. 1995 - pg.4 Right Way Light.) Kerry ========================================================>> I sent to the IRS Registered insured return reciept. It was "To" the regional director, by name. My reciept came back "stamped" with NO SIGNATURE from anyone. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 12:44:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21992 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15889 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:18:38 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15885 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:18:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA04600 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:17:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06676 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01138; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:08:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C59031@msgate>; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:04:49 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Order to Show Cause Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C59031@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counselors: Does anybody have a canned, fill-in-the-blank type "Order to Show Cause" available? I could sure use one, and don't know that I have ever seen one. Greg ============================================================ Shouldn't that be Titled: "Order and Demand to Show Cause" That is how I wrote mine. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 10:08:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20722 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28465 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:47:05 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA28449 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:47:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA08665; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:45:29 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA14152; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23593; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:40:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C97E87@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:38:31 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Guy Marcot Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C97E87@msgate> Encoding: 58 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= If you are an independent contractor you should not have to fill out anything to "do" work for someone. Other than the agreement or contract by which you list the terms of the job. At "most" all that should be required for "their" records is a W-8 filled out "completely and correctly". This form "requires" NO SSN. It has a place to put a TIN. It states plainly, on the back, that YOU do not "need" a TIN, but you can get one if you choose. Which you shouldn't Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ( I no longer pay Federal or State "income taxes". I have a "regular" job, working for a "corporation" in San Jose, Calif. I now take home the equivalent of one weeks pay extra every month. My wife is an "independent", and also pays no taxes.) ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law List Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 6:55PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= > "(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, > State or local government agency to deny > to any individual any right, benefit, or > privilege provided by law because of > such individual's refusal to disclose > his social security account number." Thank you for your response. I've seen this law before, though. It appears to only apply to government agencies, though. What about private companies? In my case, if I challenge them with this law, I run the risk of them saying, "Sorry, if you don't give it to us, you just can't work for us." because it's not my right to work for them, it's basically their choice - I'm an independent. What I'm saying is, if an employer fired or refused to hire on the basis of non-disclosure of a SSN, they could be sued, but since I'm independent and just do work for this company they can just say we don't want you working for us anymore. Do you know if this law does apply to private companies, and if this can be successfully used? Don't they need some sort of TIN for their pay records? Is there a way that we can both get what we want? (they need to be able to deduct my pay from their gross - they're not able to stop paying taxes - they're INC.) The IRC does appear to require TIN's for anyone submitting info on behalf of another. (employees as well as dependents) In any case, thank you for the help. If you have any more info, I'd sure appreciate it. -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 10:25:45 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14025 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA10477 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:05:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA15680 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23816; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:49:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C980BC@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:47:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE: LLAW: In re: GJ Subpoena Served on NLHC Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C980BC@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 If you want, you can just email me a copy and consider it "safe". If you can't email it tell me where to get it, I'll download it tonight. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: In re: GJ Subpoena Served on NLHC Date: Thursday, June 20, 1996 10:03AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I need 3 to 5 volunteers who will be willing to archive our pleadings to date in this case. While we are awaiting word from the Ninth Circuit on an Emergency Motion to stay execution of an arrest warrant, this pause is a good opportunity to take stock and to put the work in safe keeping. The self- extracting .EXE file is 455K and takes about 5 minutes to download at 14.4Kbps. You don't need PKUNZIP to decompress these files; the .EXE has it built-in. I would appreciate your timely response, either way, so I can take necessary precautions. We estimate that the prosecutor and judge both are facing 75 felony charges each: 25 counts of mail fraud, jury tampering, and obstruction of justice for each pleading which was intercepted on its way to the federal grand jury foreperson. (The GJ foreperson was placed on the service list right from the outset.) ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23952 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29761 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29757 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA11367 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:15:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16438 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24621; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:08:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C98535@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:07:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C98535@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>So far, I've convinced them to not use a SSN, >>but a "tracking number", and kept them from doing "backup withholding", >>which is some 30%!!! I still have SS taxes and Medicare taxes to work on. >>They are just trying to cover their bases and not get burned. Fortunately, >>they are willing to at least talk about the situation and work with it. >> I have NO "tracking number" on my records. A rose is still a rose. You are still "counted". >>They probably will be hesitant to do the contract by contract basis, >>especially if you office in their quarters. Once again, they do not want to >>rock the boat, and working for them *is* a privilege. Good luck. > >Contact John Voss at NCBA, Colorado, >telephone (303) 833-3333 for some >seasoned insight. > >Working is never a privilege, particularly >if it is part of a contract for the performance >of professional or other services. See >Coppage v. Kansas for the Supreme >opinion on that subject. I would NEVER >use the word "privilege" to describe >a contract for labor; it is demeaning to >the sanctity of a Person's hands and the >organ which drives those hands -- His >brain. Well put. It is the ultimate put down to say that it is a privilege to work for anyone, or any company. It is "their" privilege to have you work for them. A privilege that they are willing to pay for. Think about it. Think about how common it is for everyone to take everyday notions and completely turn around the meaning of what is being said. Our society has been so completely brainwashed we can no longer tell reality. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16937 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA30283 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:27:51 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA30277 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:27:48 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA12526; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:26:20 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16774; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24765; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:16:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C986F4@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:14:28 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C986F4@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >However, I recommend incorporating yourself. Individual contractors are a >red flag to the IRS. With a corporation it is easier to justify deducting a >lot of your expenses as business expenses, and you only have to pay FICA on >the net your corporation pays you, after you pay expenses, instead of on >your gross. Your net might not be very much. Might even be negative. > >Not that you "have" to pay FICA, but it might be a good investment, >especially during the age range of 59-65, in case SS doesn't go broke. The >rate of return has been much, much better than investing in the stock market. > >--Jon Again with the "Communist Manifesto". Go ahead and incorporate? Go ahead and pay tribute? Are you for real? You call yourself a so-called "Constitutionist", and yet in the Constitution itself, personal income tax is FORBIDDEN. It is absurd to even think about the SS system being a better payoff than investing it yourself. A stock broker you're not. Why do you think "they" recently came up the proposal to invest your SS dollars in the stock market? Take your "Communist" beliefs elsewhere, please. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:20 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29848 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:26:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17891 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA21260 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:16:45 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26930; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:17:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9952E@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:15:10 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Files safe Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9952E@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Received file. Uncoded (.EXE). Ran (.EXE). Successfully extracted 96 (.DOC) files. Opened one (.DOC) file, looks good. Archive is 100% SAFE. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:49:07 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20411 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05347 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:57 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05342 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:48 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA05244; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:35:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA04998; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:34:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04773; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:27:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9C1B0@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:25:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9C1B0@msgate> Encoding: 75 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= As much as I would "like" to respect Jon Roland for what he says he has done for the Militia movement in this country, I can't. He does not understand "where" the BATTLE is. He responds to my response, thusly. I will insert new comments in (parrens). >At 10:20 96/06/20 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >> >>in the Constitution itself, personal income tax >>is FORBIDDEN. > >True, but that does not prevent one from making a voluntary contribution, >and if one does, removing money as the issue, one is in a better position to >argue the legal issues. (There is NO legal issue to argue, once you have VOLUNTARILY given them your money. Don't be stupid.) >>It is absurd to even think about the SS system being >>a better payoff than investing it yourself. > >Various estimates for the rate of return, if one only pays in the last 6 >years from age 59 to 65, then lives a long time, is in the neighborhood of >800 percent. (It is a STANDARD tactic to PAD ones statistics to favor your assertion. You have done so nicely. Please explain how anyone, in the system, is going to ONLY be contributing to SSA for the last SIX WORKING YEARS OF THEIR LIFE. What about the FORTY YEARS BEFORE THAT? Kind of screws your stats up doesn't it? Oh, but maybe they will die before they get to collect!) >Why do you think "they" recently came up the proposal to invest >your SS dollars in the stock market? >To avoid having the government go broke, by having people keep their money >and invest it instead of paying it to the government in taxes. But that >doesn't mean they would wind up receiving as much as they would from SS. (Well since you're going to receive ZIP from SSA at retirement, why not let them try to lose it on the stock market then?) >I am not arguing for SS, nor for the other suggestions on constitutionalist >grounds. Guy Marcot was asking, as I took it, for practical advice, not for >ways to fight the system. By incorporating oneself one can play the game by >"their" rules, file all the returns, and come out paying them little or >nothing. The money one saves thereby can be used for the cause. (You have betrayed the cause.) >For the same reason I don't recommend fighting traffic tickets. Sure, as a >matter of principle, and someone needs to do it, but we have scarce >resources and there is nothing "they" like better than having us waste those >scarce resources fighting unimportant battles when the larger war remains >unengaged. Good generals need to keep their priorities straight. (And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? Good Generals know where the battle is. More importantly, they don't coddle the enemy, or play by "their" rules.) >--Jon Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 15:58:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03478 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06722 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:49 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06718 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10817 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:35:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA09164 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:34:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06984; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:34:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9D197@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:32:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9D197@msgate> Encoding: 60 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Thanks for the advice on incorporating. I happen to agree, though, that >doing this definitely puts me within the jurisdiction of the IRS. It >seems I would be better off just sticking to not being taxable by reason >of not being a govt employee, engaged in revenue taxable activities, or >being an officer of a corporation. I don't need a license to do what I >do. Do you know if there's a difference between a dba with a TIN and an >INC.? (as far as being thrown into the jurisdiction of the IRS) If you get a DBA, you will be creating a "legal fiction" that IS REQUIRED to pay income tax. Under NO circumstances do YOU ever NEED a TIN. Get a W-8, and read the back of it carefully. It is very clear that YOU do not need a TIN. Getting a DBA, is virtually the same as getting a business license. What do you think DBA stands for? Doing business as..... Don't file a DBA, don't get a TIN. Again since you are "contracting". Under what pretext did you give them your SSN to begin with? They don't need it for anything. >They are not withholding any of my pay, but they will report my 'income' to the >IRS. They will probably do this with or without the SSN. If they are currently NOT WITHHOLDING for taxes, why the bother? The only problem you will have is in what paperwork you may have filled out with them. > I sent an affidavit to the SSA revoking my number as of July 10 and > I feel I have to stick to that date. Unfortunately, I gave them the >number (woops) to use until then. Now, getting them to stop using >it will probably be very difficult. They'll probably use it until I give them a >replacement. I'm going to politely show them that they don't really need >it and may get in trouble for demanding it. >When it comes down to it though, I can't risk losing this job, I know it is difficult. I was under that impression myself a few months back. No longer. I was written up, my job was threatened, etc. I'm still here and I'm not paying taxes any more. "They" your employer(s) will stand to lose more from a lawsuit for firing you than by giving in to your demands. Stick to it, but do it right. Also, the review I received "after" being written up did not reflect any difficulty with me as an employee, my raise was, and always has been, above the average. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 17:41:55 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13567 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA11132 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11128 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:25 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20183 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA17008 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12566; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:20:41 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9EA5E@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:18:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9EA5E@msgate> Encoding: 64 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= More from Jon the TAXMAN: >There is an open question on that, too. The only valid federal taxing >authority for state corporations is the excise tax, so IMHO the form of the >tax would have to be on transactions, not aggregate income, either gross or >net. WRONG! Corporations are taxed on their income. Not on the NUMBER of transactions they make. Since you KNOW so LITTLE about taxes, even taxes on corporations, IMHO you should quit giving advice. >>It >>seems I would be better off just sticking to not being taxable by reason >>of not being a govt employee, engaged in revenue taxable activities, or >>being an officer of a corporation. > >I would argue that you are not income-taxable even if you are in any of the >above categories, unless you are a resident of state-ceded federal >territory. Adhesion contracts are unconstitutional. Can't confer >governmental powers to the government by any kind of contract, only through >the Constitution, and government officials can't exercise any powers not >thus delegated. The only thing you can, as a person, confer to the >government though contract is ordinary commercial rights of the same kind >you confer to any party to a commercial contract. But not governmental >powers, the power to compel. You would lose. > That would involve yielding inalienable natural >rights, which are not yours to give. WRONG AGAIN! You CAN, and most of use have, GIVEN away our "inalienable rights". You can, however, get them back. And they sure as *^&& are yours to give away if you so choose. How do you think all of this came about? >>Do you know if there's a difference between a dba with a TIN and an >>INC.? (as far as being thrown into the jurisdiction of the IRS) >A TIN is just an identifying number. Can be applied to anything. You could >get one for your dog. Doesn't make it a more or less a taxable entity. STOP! Please STOP GIVING BAD INFORMATION. A TIN, is a TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. It is just what it says. Anyone who has one is a TAXPAYER. And I'd like to see you get one for your dog! The rest of Jon's FELGERCARB has been deleted. Please do not follow his advice if you want to quit paying taxes. Everything he has posted has been geared towards getting you to "sign up" for the program. Does the phrase, "Agent provocateur" ring any bells? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:26 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28770 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01614 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:51 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01610 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:47 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17281 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:05:17 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA05694 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:04:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05528; Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:49:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE028@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:47:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE028@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of his species. If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and enrollment info? ------------------------------------------------- Tarheel Sovereign Citizen Resource Center =================================================================== I would agree to let "dtpa102@ix.netcom.com" enter our list. His address is in my "address book", therefore he must not be all that bad. (8-)) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:28 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10706 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18230; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA06472; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06357; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:12:47 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE586@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:10:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE586@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>>(And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? >> >>The larger battle is getting constitutionalists elected and appointed to >>office, and getting the criminals in government exposed, indicted, >>prosecuted, and convicted. These legal battles are just harrassing tactics. >>They don't really change anything, because they don't change the fundamental >>correlation of forces. > >I have to agree with Jon, here. >We must change the composition of >the Congress, and get going on this >idea sooner than later. Here is why: > >We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >openly and in plain English, that the term >"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. Also, commenting on someone's spelling is not necessary. Sometimes it is more expedient to not use the spell checker. Sometimes people hit the wrong key and don't notice it. If the intent can be understood from what is posted, making light of the short comings of ones spelling is not proper. Please try to refrain from "personal" attacks like that in the future. OTOH, when someone REPEATEDLY espouses the "communist doctrine" in their posts, it is worth mentioning. ESPECIALLY on a list such as ours which is SUPPOSED to be trying to restore OUR GOD GIVEN REPUBLIC. I agree that D.C. and ALL other houses of government should be flushed of the filth they contain. One method of accomplishing same is to attack, relentlessly at their applied system of laws. This will not only relieve the burden placed upon the people of this country, but it will expose the lies to the light of day, where they will not survive. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:33 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15896 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01928 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01924 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:03 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18230; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA06472; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06357; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:12:47 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE586@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:10:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE586@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>>(And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? >> >>The larger battle is getting constitutionalists elected and appointed to >>office, and getting the criminals in government exposed, indicted, >>prosecuted, and convicted. These legal battles are just harrassing tactics. >>They don't really change anything, because they don't change the fundamental >>correlation of forces. > >I have to agree with Jon, here. >We must change the composition of >the Congress, and get going on this >idea sooner than later. Here is why: > >We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >openly and in plain English, that the term >"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. Also, commenting on someone's spelling is not necessary. Sometimes it is more expedient to not use the spell checker. Sometimes people hit the wrong key and don't notice it. If the intent can be understood from what is posted, making light of the short comings of ones spelling is not proper. Please try to refrain from "personal" attacks like that in the future. OTOH, when someone REPEATEDLY espouses the "communist doctrine" in their posts, it is worth mentioning. ESPECIALLY on a list such as ours which is SUPPOSED to be trying to restore OUR GOD GIVEN REPUBLIC. I agree that D.C. and ALL other houses of government should be flushed of the filth they contain. One method of accomplishing same is to attack, relentlessly at their applied system of laws. This will not only relieve the burden placed upon the people of this country, but it will expose the lies to the light of day, where they will not survive. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 13:47:44 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06350 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05584 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:36:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05575 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:36:34 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28560 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:35:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA15882 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:34:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10961; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:25:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB049E@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:22:54 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB049E@msgate> Encoding: 47 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= This is from Lyle. I did not write ANY of the following post. Please refrain from misquoting posts. post follows: ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Friday, June 21, 1996 2:42PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= At 10:53 AM 6/21/96 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >======================================================================= > > >I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving >of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a >heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was >intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did >not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. > >He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be >pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of >his species. Disection time! > >If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and enrollment >info? > ------------------------------------------------- >Tarheel >Sovereign Citizen Resource Center >=================================================================== > From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 14:04:02 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26468 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05829 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:46:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05825 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:46:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29311 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:45:12 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA16513 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11603; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:39:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB07FA@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:37:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB07FA@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Also note that I have not been offering any kind of advice for winning. I >make it very clear that if you follow what I say you will probably lose, but >if enough people follow it the system will eventually change, because it >won't be able to get convictions or have any place to put all the convicts. > >--Jon It's all so clear now. Once we are all in jail, we win! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 14:19:04 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22986 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06186 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:06:57 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06182 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:06:52 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01569 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:05:23 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA17812 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12325; Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:02:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB0D2E@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:59:26 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Off base Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB0D2E@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= You " teased us " with the offer of startling information: >>We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >>from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >>openly and in plain English, that the term >>"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >>named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >>Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >>you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. > I " asked " for enlightenment: >So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the >list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. You come off the cuff: >>I would have preferred "please send me a copy, if you can, or let me know how I might obtain a copy from you." Well, on closer examination, you did say "please." Thank you .<< And end with something totally out of character: >>Here is my current policy on this kind of request (demand?).<< You know full well that it was not a demand. >>First, some background. I have been working pro bono for over 5 years, and it has depleted everything I ever had in the way of material things, e.g. clothes, furniture, home, dental insurance, medical insurance, savings account, basically EVERYTHING. People continue to demand that I "do this or gopher that", without even offering so much as a single dime for same.<< If you want money it should have been noted in your original post concerning your divulgence of " information of this character ". To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this point a childish rant. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 19:34:16 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16412 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:14:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09403 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:07:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA09399 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:07:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11288 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:06:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA25454 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:04:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17263; Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:52:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB2725@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:50:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB2725@msgate> Encoding: 92 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Pardon me Max, but any IDIOT can plainly see the message you think was mine was from "Tarheel" and I had added to the bottom of the post, but somehow, it doesn't appear, anything that I wrote, in what you included as saying was mine. I did not, nor have I ever, altered ANYBODIES POST and said it was mine. YOU SAID IT WAS MINE. When I say I have been incorrectly attributed as having said something, then you damned well better beleive it. I said, plainly and simply, that I did not write anything that was in what I received from the "list" , that was apparently your post. The questioned post is included in its entirety for all to see. The single line in question, in my mind, as having been written by persons unknown, is the line which merely states: "Disection time!" Neither I, nor Tarheel, wrote that line. This is the second time that I am asserting this fact to this body. It is not a RUDE request to ask to not be attributed to having said something that YOU DID NOT SAY! It is rude of you to respond the way you have. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ===================================================== Pardon me, but this is how it is from YOU in my mailbox. Please refrain from removing the person you are quoting from in messages if they are not your own. This is the second time you've made this rude request in as many weeks, and it's your DAMN fault. Quit whinning. Max Kennedy > >post follows: > ---------- >From: owner-libertylaw >To: libertylaw >Cc: Liberty Law >Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation >Date: Friday, June 21, 1996 2:42PM > >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >======================================================================= >At 10:53 AM 6/21/96 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>======================================================================= >>LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >>Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >>======================================================================= >> >> >>I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving >>of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a >>heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was >>intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did >>not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. >> >>He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be >>pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of >>his species. > >Disection time! > >> >>If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and >enrollment >>info? >> ------------------------------------------------- >>Tarheel >>Sovereign Citizen Resource Center >>=================================================================== >> > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 19:35:00 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13634 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA11466 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:07:53 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11437 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:07:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15896 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:06:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA29146 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:04:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19942; Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:52:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB352D@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:50:05 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Friends and Enemies Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:56:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB352D@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= How quickly we all forget who a friend is. How quickly a discussion turns to anger. How quickly the fingers type out lashes of the whip. If only to obtain a moment of obscene pleasure. If only to gain prominence in ones own eye. If only to hurt without need or reason. This is why man is weak. This is why man needs guidance. This is why man needs friends. This is why man has enemies. Food for thought. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:07:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22105; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03006 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:44 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03002 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04025 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:17:10 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA14063 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12133; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:07:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D02988@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:01:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: NEW LIST RULE Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D02988@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I oppose. Much too totalitarian in concept. There should be NO limit of correspondence. Only, for nonsensical diatribe, which the bailiff is supposed to handle, as a function of his job. It is his responsibility to inform said offenders to "take their discussion to private email". Thereby saving the list from the flame war. Any "ban" is an outright infringement of the right of speech. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr Sui Juris ============================================================= If there is sufficient opposition to the following, I will rescind the rule. This rule is a result of comments returned with the LLAW BALLOT I sent out next week. 100% of respondents felt posts should be confined to USING the LAW to restore LIBERTY. This is an impossibly hard task for Robert and I to keep up with on the amount of traffic we have. So, unless someone can come up with a better way -- for a couple of guys with other things to do -- to enforce the list rules, I ask for the general consent (SILENCE WILL BE CONSTRUED AS CONSENT TO THIS RULE). Starting JUNE 24, 1996 until further notice, if I catch anyone posting to the list more than 4 times (not including majordomo hiccups) in a 24 hour period -- that person will be suspended from the list for 1 week. Second offense 2 weeks. Third offense - 1 month. Fourth offense - 1 year. I will record offenses and relating actions for the record. An offense will be expunged one year from the action, viz. an offense remains in the count for one year. I will rescind this rule if there is sufficient opposition to it. ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:07:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29017; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03780 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:55 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03776 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:51 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07150; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:47:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16436; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14397; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:37:15 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D0309C@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:31:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Max Kennedy Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D0309C@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I included your entire post in my message. You are the idiot for insulting me without cause. There isn't anyone with any online experience that doesn't know that quoting is automatic, or how to read it from top down, from message recieved to parts of a message you quoted. I could go on. How long have you been online? 6 months? Learn how the software works before you get a tizzy in your panties. ============================================================= My first response to you was definitely NOT an insult. I merely told you that I did NOT WRITE ANY OF WHAT YOU QUOTED ME AS HAVING SAID. You insulted me in your response to me asking you not to misquote me. You had better learn to READ where your messages come from. The post you said I sent to you, implying, I sent it directly and only to you, came from the LISTSERVER, whom I posted it to, in a more complete form. Your message that you received from the LIST apparently was incomplete, THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. My complete post, did appear on the list. Again, when I tell you that under NO UNCERTAIN TERMS did what you post CONTAIN ANYTHING THAT I PERSONALLY WROTE, you have absolutely no reason on this planet to call me a LIAR. I did NOT SEND IT TO YOU PERSONALLY. I did NOT WRITE ANY OF WHAT YOU QUOTED ME AS SAYING. How hard is that to understand, OR ACCEPT?????? How long have you been on the NET? I know all about quoting and all other such matters. I also know whether or not I ACTUALLY WROTE SOMETHING. Do you know what you have written? Apparently not. Can you read yet? You are the one who is wrong in this case Max. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:34:37 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03957 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:08:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09659; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:07:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA18682; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15970; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:04:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D036E8@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:58:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D036E8@msgate> Encoding: 73 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, I never thought for one moment that you could be so callous or misinterpretive of simple statements. It hurts me deeply to read your post and think that you would consider me as being CHEAP. Do you not remember the recent Montana Freemen situation, where I was THE FIRST PERSON ON THIS LIST TO PLEDGE NOT ONLY TIME BUT MONEY, to send YOU to Montana? How quickly we forget. I was also one of the people who helped you iron out your FAX to BMP solution. We forget so easily. And then the ultimate insult, SELECTIVE QUOTING. If you are going to quote someone, QUOTE IT ALL. Not merely PART of a sentence. The part below you seem to like to quote, is PREFACED in my original post with PLEASE. But then I didn't ask the way you seem to prefer to be asked. Now that I know how you PREFER to be asked, and now that I know how vindictive you appear to be, I'll hold my OFFERS of generosity for others more deserving. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Those who have asked me how much I would want to fax or mail this document to them will testify, I hope, that my quote was a whopping $1.00. Of course I want money; that's not the issue. I want a solution to this horribly nagging problem of people, like you, sir, who ask for things without even offering so much as one single dime. You still haven't offered as much as one single dime. And you are not going to offer me a single dime, are you? I would not expect you to, with the attitude you have displayed here, too often for my liking. But, that is just my opinion, and I will defend my Right to express that opinion aggressively and directly and in any manner I deem lawful and appropriate. If you don't like it, go kick some other tires. Fair enough? > >To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this >point a childish rant. Yes you do want something for nothing, when you say the following, to repeat: post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. (Try putting the PLEASE in front of my request. It doesn't sound near as bad that way.) From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:34:40 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21054; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:12:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA04159 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:09:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04155 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:09:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09659; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:07:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA18682; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15970; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:04:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D036E8@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:58:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D036E8@msgate> Encoding: 73 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Paul, I never thought for one moment that you could be so callous or misinterpretive of simple statements. It hurts me deeply to read your post and think that you would consider me as being CHEAP. Do you not remember the recent Montana Freemen situation, where I was THE FIRST PERSON ON THIS LIST TO PLEDGE NOT ONLY TIME BUT MONEY, to send YOU to Montana? How quickly we forget. I was also one of the people who helped you iron out your FAX to BMP solution. We forget so easily. And then the ultimate insult, SELECTIVE QUOTING. If you are going to quote someone, QUOTE IT ALL. Not merely PART of a sentence. The part below you seem to like to quote, is PREFACED in my original post with PLEASE. But then I didn't ask the way you seem to prefer to be asked. Now that I know how you PREFER to be asked, and now that I know how vindictive you appear to be, I'll hold my OFFERS of generosity for others more deserving. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Those who have asked me how much I would want to fax or mail this document to them will testify, I hope, that my quote was a whopping $1.00. Of course I want money; that's not the issue. I want a solution to this horribly nagging problem of people, like you, sir, who ask for things without even offering so much as one single dime. You still haven't offered as much as one single dime. And you are not going to offer me a single dime, are you? I would not expect you to, with the attitude you have displayed here, too often for my liking. But, that is just my opinion, and I will defend my Right to express that opinion aggressively and directly and in any manner I deem lawful and appropriate. If you don't like it, go kick some other tires. Fair enough? > >To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this >point a childish rant. Yes you do want something for nothing, when you say the following, to repeat: post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. (Try putting the PLEASE in front of my request. It doesn't sound near as bad that way.) From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 18:52:55 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04467 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02702 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:06:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA10158 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:04:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25557; Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:50:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D06BF3@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:45:07 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE: LLAW: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D06BF3@msgate> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, I knew there was something eating you. I could tell you were "out of character". I too, get frustrated as you know what, and lash out at the wrong people at the wrong time. I am still a friend, if in need. Together as friends, we will conquer all. Divided as enemies, we are conquered. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:39 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08127 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13333; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:09:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14415; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:20 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25911; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:57:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16A8B@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:51:23 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.032 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: HTM viewer/editor (Win) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16A8B@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Try "webedt11.zip". Get it off the web. Do a search using "Alta Vista" or some other "search" engine. Also I have no problem viewing HTM files "off line" using CompuServe (CIM). Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Friends, Is there any shareware for viewing .htm files from Windows or DOS? Will Netscape do it without connecting to my ISP? Eudora hangs if Trumpet Winsock is not connected. I guess you need the network connection for the hypertext links to work, correct? Please excuse the dumb question. Paul Mitchell ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:41 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18468; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06843 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06839 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:16 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13333; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:09:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14415; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:20 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25911; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:57:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16A8B@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:51:23 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.033 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: LLAW: HTM viewer/editor (Win) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16A8B@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Try "webedt11.zip". Get it off the web. Do a search using "Alta Vista" or some other "search" engine. Also I have no problem viewing HTM files "off line" using CompuServe (CIM). Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Friends, Is there any shareware for viewing .htm files from Windows or DOS? Will Netscape do it without connecting to my ISP? Eudora hangs if Trumpet Winsock is not connected. I guess you need the network connection for the hypertext links to work, correct? Please excuse the dumb question. Paul Mitchell ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07198; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA05304 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:05:53 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA05300 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:05:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02768 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:04:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21501 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26790; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:17:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16F31@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:11:13 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.025 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Emergency, State of Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:21:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16F31@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= March of 1819. To be closer I'd have to look it up. It was "published" until 1867 (Colorado Territory) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================= 1819 was the year Virginnia put it over the top, I believe. Anybody know for sure? We have coupled our Right to Counsel research with the "Esquires" essay, and the U.S. ATTORNeys are hopping mad (and that is putting it mildly). ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 16:15:52 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24723; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA12860 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:01:41 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA12856 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:01:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09638 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:00:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA27192 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:54:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12015; Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:47:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D1BC89@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:41:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: STOP THE EMERGENCY, I WANT TO GET OFF Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:51:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D1BC89@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Who advised FDR of this? Was it the FRB? >I seem to recall that Hoover opposed the >very same idea, so the FRB put their man >in there. We are dealing here with a massive >bank fraud, so it shouldn't surprise us that >FDR was escorted into office. See The >Roosevelt Coup d' Etat, a copy of which >Vern Holland can sell you from his office >in Tulsa, Oklahoma. > You're correct Herbert Hoover DID oppose the pending action. He was "asked" to enact it while he was President. He wouldn't. Making FDR a "shoe-in" for the job. FDR, for those who don't know, was the former "governor" of the NY FRB. He was a BANKER, big time. Read Hoovers memoirs. > His reply: "Nevertheless, I will do it >>(declare bank holiday using TWTEAct as authority). > >Of course, when you have a gun >at your head, you will do and say >anything. Sometimes they have >pulled the trigger, too, and once >both muskets misfired (surely an >Act of the Most High, to save >President Jackson's life). We >discount the Holy Spirit at our >great peril. > FDR had NO GUN to his head. See above. He was a traitor, through and through. >> >>--Andrew Lehr >>Common Law Network > >============================================================ >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >============================================================ > Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Jun 28 09:43:23 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21432 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:40:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26586 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:39:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA18409 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06460; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:33:36 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2B652@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:26:58 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: re: Apology Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2B652@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Thank you. Lyle ======================================================================= My open apologies to Lyle. During the deluge, I got him confused with another Person. "Rain" was falling very hard here. I tried to explain that a hurricane was passing through. Then I wake up a few days ago and see one coming up the Baja Peninsula full steam. Would that we could materialize a constitutional republic so easily. ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Fri Jun 28 11:53:36 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18533; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA03552 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:10:44 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA03548 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:10:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00129 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:09:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21292 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07653; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:53:56 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2BB15@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:47:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Corporations/Vol. Assoc's. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2BB15@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >All of you should read the foundation works: Hobbes, Locke, Hume, >Montesquieu, Rousseau, Mill, and others, most of whose major works are >available for downloading from the CS WWW site. Aren't these authors rather extreme Socialists? Jon, you shouldn't be formulating your ideals from socialist ideals. They go against the grain of all that is Sovereign, or individualistic, i.e. Republican governance. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:22:11 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23536; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:31:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09463 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:11:03 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09447 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:10:57 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26728; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:09:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA09853; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21259; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:04:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2F5D8@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:58:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Free Email Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2F5D8@msgate> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I have a new "personal" Email account with which I can send and receive Email (only). It is absolutely FREE of charge. Some of you may have heard of them before. JUNO.COM If you want to reduce the cost of your Email, to nothing. Send a message to: "signup@juno.com" My new personal address is: montanatank@juno.com I can also still be reached at my other addresses (71552.2725@compuserve.com) (myhr@ulinear.com) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:22:13 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23582; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09944 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:21:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09928 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:20:59 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27916 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:19:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA10800 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:16:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21803; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:17:10 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2F8C0@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:10:24 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2F8C0@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= > >>You will be required to sign, with witnesses, a solemn oath to support the >>Constitution for the United States of America, as lawfully amended [see >>Preamble]. > >This is completely contrary to Mathew 5:23-25. > >I don't swear oaths. > >So I guess I'm on my own. > >In Liberty, > >Charles Please, let us not walk that path again. There are those in this grand world who solemnly feel that attesting an oath to anyone or anything, other than God, is a sin. "Popeye" sums it up nicely with his famous line..... "I am what I am, and that's all that I am." And that Gentlemen, is good enough for me. We must remember at the heart of all issues pertaining to the taking of an oath, is that you must be true to your friends/neighbors, or what have you. This is "embodied" in Gods commandment that.... "Thou shall not lie." If you are true to God, all the universe is in harmony. Charles you're not on your own. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Sui Juris From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:23:08 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15444; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04376 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:51:05 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04360 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:50:57 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18425 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:49:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA08724 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:44:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22552; Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:41:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D40996@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:34:30 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Corporations Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D40996@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >CORPORATION. An aggregate corporation is an ideal body, created by law, All you really need to remember. >Call it a trust, association, or whatever you want...the term >'Corporation' is a legally defined term, therefore you can't re-define it >to whatever you want, and why SHOULD you? (unless you WANT to be >classified as a corporation by the IRS ;-) > >IN Liberty, > >Charles I think that the emphasis should be away from anything promulgated by law. More so, if a "partnership" is all that is required, for common purposes, then it should remain a partnership. I think more study is needed to understand the "old" concept of "Limited Partnership", and determine if it can still be accomplished. I don't see why it couldn't, other than government intervention. Instead of using Corp. or Co. we should then use LTD. Thereby giving public notice in the name of the "Partnership", that its liabilities are indeed limited. (That was a very informative post, that this came from) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Sui Juris From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 14:44:00 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16613 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18918 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:39:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29442 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:34:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04686; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:29:03 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D44CE0@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:21:36 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Dan Meador files Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D44CE0@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Please forward Meador.exe. Is there any charge? Thanks in advance. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 14:58:57 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18374 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20262 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:49:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00122 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:44:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05237; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:40:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D44FA1@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:33:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Court Decisio Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D44FA1@msgate> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Way to go Paul! Lyle ============================================== A similar challenge to the State Bar of Arizona is about to default: General Counsel has fallen silent in the face of a challenge to produce their statutory/constitutional authority to issue licenses in the first instance. Grace deadline is July 3, 1996, so I get to write my affidavit of default on July 4, 1996. Now, THAT was the Holy Spirit, all the way, because I did not plan it that way at all. (I could barely keep my head from crashing into the pillow.) BTW, we have offered to help Governor Symington to come out of his corner swinging with a first-round knock-out punch against U.S. Attorney Nora Manella. More on that later. Me thinks a public relations triumph is awaiting Symington, just around the corner up ahead. I can share with you all the letter I wrote to the General Counsel of the State Bar of Arizona (notice use of General "Counsel"!). From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 16:25:09 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06174; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA14413 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:41:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14397 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:41:03 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25869 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:39:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03710 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:34:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06880; Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:20:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D458D8@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:12:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D458D8@msgate> Encoding: 59 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>"Popeye" sums it up nicely with his famous line..... >> >>"I am what I am, and that's all that I am." > > >We need to know that what you are is >a Person who is committed to supporting >the Constitution for the United States of America, >as lawfully amended, as the supreme Law of >the Land. Just "saying" it, without affirming >it solemnly in some way, in a way which would >make you accountable for such a statement, >is not going to be good enough, I am afraid. >If you were elected to the House of >Representatives, how would you go about >getting paid, if not by affirming your commitment >to support the Constitution (see 5 USC 3331)? Here you're talking about two different beasts. One is for "us" to solemnly swear or "vow" to uphold the Constitution. Then you want to compare it with the oath that our "politicians" take to get paid. One they apparently take very lightly, AFA, keeping it. The oath that is. They have no problem accepting money, from anyone, for anything. The problem as I see it is this. You want people to swear, affirm, vow, what have you. But you won't be satisfied with "just saying it." As in " I will." You have to understand that just to say " I will", YOU can not include " I swear to..." in YOUR requested affirmation. Conflict. Does that make it clearer? >And that Gentlemen, is good enough for me. We must remember >at the heart of all issues pertaining to the taking of an oath, is that >you must be true to your friends/neighbors, or what have you. This >is "embodied" in Gods commandment that.... > >"Thou shall not lie." > >If you are true to God, all the universe is in harmony. If God says "Thou shall not lie", and I say to you as my affirmation, " I will" . I would be disavowing God if I were to lie to you. So why should you doubt me, and want further oaths or vows or what have you? JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 21:00:08 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08632 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06414 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:29:15 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA10310 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:24:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12262; Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:12:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D4732C@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:05:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Dan Meador files Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D4732C@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 How about $5, mailed to: Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 Tucson, Arizona state zip code exempt ========================================================= Will send tomorrow. Thanks a bunch! Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 12:56:27 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13746; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13374 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:06 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13366 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12251 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:41:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA28125 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12296; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:29:43 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D816E1@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:20:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D816E1@msgate> Encoding: 53 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Assuming that this amendment was actually ratified, neither Trumane nor > Hunt provide us with any factual basis for the assertion that all >lawyers have become Esquires. I was never anointed with that title at >any time, and I have never claimed it. I do receive correspondence that >incorporates the title, but I have no control over that. I know many >other lawyers who don't use it. All lawyers are not esquires. > >How would this affect John Wayne (the Duke)? Elvis (the King)? >Prince? Queen Latifah? The Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Earl Schieb? >Anyone who uses a room marked "Gentlemen," or refers to themselves as >such? Under the Trumane/Hunt analysis, all the above (at least the >ones still among the living) had better start packing for Merry Olde >England! George Bush purportedly was knighted by the Queen, which I >thought appalling and still do. > >I know I'm going to get hassled for this, but THINK THIS THROUGH! No hassle, just clarification. First, it is not assumed that the amendment was ratified, it was. March 1819. Second, it is not an assertion that ALL lawyers, OF THAT TIME, were Esquires. They were. Don't confuse today and your present status with how it was 200 years ago. All lawyers WERE Esquires. They were granted that Title indirectly from the King of England. Who founded the London Bar Association. The obvious "ploy" used today to refute the intended consequences of the 13th amendment, is to simply say....Lawyers (today) are not Esquires. Of course you're not. There is no longer any need for the given Title. It has all gone under the bridge like so much water, undetected for 200 years. AFA your assertions of "Titles" such as "the Duke", "the King", etc. These are all nonsense. They were NOT Titles "granted" by any King or foreign government. A self proclaimed Title is just that, and nothing else. Now George Bush is indeed another story. I'll help him pack his bags. Hope this helps. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:29:27 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19883; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13848 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:53:28 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13836 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:53:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13268 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:51:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA28898 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:44:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12874; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:40:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D81960@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:30:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D81960@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Jon writes: >I find this a patriot myth, as I have said in a previous posting to this >list. At the time it was passed, most of the members of the Congress and the >states who adopted it were lawyers, and it is hardly likely they intended to >expatriate themselves. Moreover, at that time most lawyers didn't join a bar >association or even go to law school. A guy would just read a few law books, >hang up a shingle, and say "I'm a lawyer!" Not quite true Jon. Remember, it was an Amendment, ratified by the PEOPLE. AFA lawyers not going to school or joining the BAR, also misleading. At that time, 200 years ago, how many LAW schools existed, in the WORLD. Two or three. Lawyers were self taught, and TUTORED by other lawyers, who had been educated at one of the few schools. All of those who went to those schools were indeed Esquires, and given such Title by the King of England. Also, at that time, there was only ONE BAR association in the world. I'll give you one guess where it was located. Why do you think it took almost 50 years to pass such an amendment? Because those in places of power, i.e. public office, didn't want it passed. They would loose their job, and/or citizenship. That's no myth. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:29:30 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19804; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:30:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14284 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:12:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14280 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:12:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15544 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:11:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA00619 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13493; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:54:12 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D81C9D@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:44:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Another Cartel Rip-Off - Was No Wonder Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:58:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D81C9D@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= We shall control their mouths by controlling their stomach. A slightly reworded UN statement. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >Add to that the fact that we throw away >tons and tons of unused wheat every year, >or give it away to foreign countries or, >worse, we pay farmers NOT to grow it, >foreclosing an enormous opportunity to >convert that vegetable matter into alcohol. >George Bush knows quite a lot about this >particular petroleum technology, and how >it compares to alcohol fuels. > I don't doubt but what wheat is being dumped and destroyed in wholesale fashion. What bothers me is that we currently have about a three day surplus supply of wheat on hand where we normally have about a two year supply. It's the lowest since USDA got into the act. We are allegedly importing wheat today. Also, USDA is allegedly handling the supply of seed wheat to the farmers, and all they are releasing is hybrid seed -- unable to reproduce viable seed. It has been alleged that there is no known source of natural wheat seed available in the US. This tidbit was found in a USDA report about two months ago, and my memory is a bit foggy as to the exact report. Does anybody else know about this, or able to shed more light on the subject? Greg From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:57:25 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20996 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29609 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:11:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA09970 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:04:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18632; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:00:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D83A36@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 13:51:02 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Highway robbery Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 14:04:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D83A36@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I was just told, by a reliable source who >wants to remain anonymous, that in 1997, >all our highways revert to the ownership >of the British Crown. Congress is aware >of this contract and is doing nothing to >stop this transfer. Seems to me, WE >the People paid for the construction >of those highways, didn't WE? > >Red Coats at the Rest Stops? Paul, Can you elaborate a little more, please. My father worked for the HWY Dept. in Washington state for thirty years. I'll query him as to the "rights of way" and such. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 02 10:42:42 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09735; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18698 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18694 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01129 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:11:10 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA10273 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22913; Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:59:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D95309@msgate>; Tue, 02 Jul 96 09:49:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D95309@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >> Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >> (Addressing for Success per 28 USC 297) >> c/o 2509 North Campbell, # 1776 >> Tucson [85719-345-54-8798-520-323-3922] <-- yawn >> ARIZONA REPUBLIC >> >> >Paul, > >What kind of zip code is this? it looks like a combination of the old zip, a >SS#, and an old military ID#, all cancatinated. > >Greg My guess is ZIP Code, SSN, and phone number. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jul 02 11:12:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06126; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA19076 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:32:56 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19065 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:32:50 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03276 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:31:20 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12109 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:24:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23266; Tue, 2 Jul 96 10:11:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D955F9@msgate>; Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:01:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Common Law Firm: oath or affirmation? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:15:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D955F9@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >I am talking about arresting him/her THE SECOND they >BLATANTLY violate someon'es rights. Can you imagine what a judge would >do when he realized that the guy that just stood up and arrested him was >not alone, but indeed had 50 or more fellow LAWFUL DEPUTIES in the >courtroom to back him up?!! Of course, this will NOT be done >haphazardly...and we will turn them over to the LOCAL authorities (no >cries of kidnapping or anything like that), but we will DEMAND that the >Sherrif convene a grand jury ON THE SPOT and let them determine if there >is any merit to the charges. Can you imagine what this would do >OVERNIGHT to the judicial system in Georgia? A judge would always be >wondering if the courtroom had any of 'those' deputies watching him. > >It's about time we instilled some fear back in the SERVANTS of the people >for a change. Sounds great, BUT. The first logical result I can see from this is that all court rooms (cases) will be "sealed", from public scrutiny. No access except for those people whom the judge deems appropriate. Of course this will raise more anger and questions, but I feel they would try this approach to stifle any further attempts at restoring justice. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:25:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03404; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26205 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:43:25 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26201 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:43:21 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25181; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:41:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA27481; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:34:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01208; Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:24:17 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31DAAA3A@msgate>; Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:13:30 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.022 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31DAAA3A@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Jon, I'm not going to get into this with you again. Although I know you would like to. We shall agree to disagree, if that's acceptable to you. If not, oh well. Go argue your unsubstantiated points with someone else. AFA the language being vague. It has never been more vague than it is today. You, and others, refuse to understand one basically simple concept. BEFORE THEY WERE CALLED LAWYERS, THEY WERE CALLED ESQUIRE. The King CREATED the TITLE of ESQUIRE to reward his loyal subjects who would help him to STEAL from his other less loyal subjects, through the Kings court of law. It goes back further than 200 years ago. Those who refuse to look at the past in its true light, will never see the true light of today. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================== >Also, at that time, there was only ONE BAR association in the world. I'll >give you one guess where it was located. Why do you think it took almost >50 years to pass such an amendment? Because those in places of power, i.e. >public office, didn't want it passed. They would loose their job, and/or >citizenship. That's no myth. It is if it can't be substantiated, and I have seen no such substantiation, other than a fanciful construction of vague language by patriot "word deviners". --Jon From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:25:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24098; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26705 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:53:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26701 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:53:18 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26542 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:51:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28235 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:44:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01821; Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:35:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31DAACF0@msgate>; Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:25:04 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.023 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:40:00 PDT Message-Id: <31DAACF0@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Lots of research has been done towards this end. NOBODY BELIEVES IT!!!! Gee, I wonder why? Is it because there are SOOOO many lawyers around today? Naaa, couldn't be. Again, the lawyers of today are not the problem, per se'. The problem happened a long time ago and in it's original form is more or less gone. But the result of the problem still plagues us to this day. And it will continue to plague us until it is revisited. It is VERY apparent what a Title of Honor or Nobility is, when you read the right stuff. Sir, Lord, Duke, Baron (of which there was once one in my family), Knight, Esquire. There are more to be sure. Also remember these are "given" Titles, not self proclaimed. When you graduated from the Kings law academy you were awarded the Title of Esquire. The King of England started the first law academy, period. End of story. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================== RE: ORIGINAL 13TH I agree, and it seems key is what is a "title of honor or nobility"? Context of amendment seems to imply a title like "sir" or "lord" conferred by a foreign state, but this would have to be thoroughly researched to determine original intent? Is anyone aware of anyone doing this research, especially before making these claims? I keep thinking this may all be rather an academic exercise, anyway. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:32:45 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22254; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20057 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:54:06 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20041 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:54:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07111 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:52:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA17856 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:46:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04274; Mon, 8 Jul 96 16:43:00 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E199A4@msgate>; Mon, 08 Jul 96 16:28:36 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.133 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Common Law Firm: oath or affirmation? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 16:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E199A4@msgate> Encoding: 63 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Danny Zink writes: >History has proven, that mixed races in one government will not endure. >It is against the nature of man. Your statement has no basis in History or fact. It is statements such as this that the media preys upon to give the modern day Patriot a bad name such as, racist or bigot. Please refrain from such thoughts as they are not pure. Tarheel writes: >The natural heart of man is frightfully wicked. Who can fully comprehend >it? I will seek to find my pattern for interracial relations from the Holy >Scripture, the words of the Messiah, and the acts of the Apostles, NOT from >the history of man's actions in his disobediance. As it should be. Danny Zink writes: >All people have their stations in life, and this is predefined in the laws >of nature. This again is an impure thought. It is taken from the thought that some are born to rule, while others should be ruled over. The founding fathers new that your statement was incorrect. "All men are created equal". Danny again writes: >In christian doctrine, a women is not to be above man. It is in this >custom of doctrine that women did not hold a political elected office. >Who are we to deny what the law of nature as predefined and the >law which our father in heaven has set forth. Tarheel writes: >This is certainly true with regard to where the buck stops inside a >marriage, and also with regard to determinations of doctrine and teaching >inside the historical Church. History and the Bible are filled with women >who have stepped forward to put themselves at risk for God when men failed >to do so. I would rather have this one lady Sheriff in office with God and >the Constitution in her heart then a truck load of the slime currently >infesting the office across the nation. IMO, this is a crucial issue. The rights of ALL, or the rights of MEN. I say all have rights, when it comes to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we all do not learn to live together, we will all surely die together. Some things must change in order to survive. This is one of them. People are too well educated to place them back into the dark ages. Look at Iran after the Ayatollah came to power, what a mess. Do we want that kind of transformation here? I think not. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:37:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10476; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA16697 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:18:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA16693 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:18:42 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02253; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:17:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA22248; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:14:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09923; Wed, 10 Jul 96 17:09:38 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E4428F@msgate>; Wed, 10 Jul 96 16:53:51 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.223 From: "myhr.lyle" To: patriots Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Eliminate Veterans Day Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 17:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E4428F@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= ---------- From: Virgil Lawrence To: myhr.lyle; smith.rick Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 3:23PM Telephone number for the Pleasantville NJ Schoolboard On Rush's radio show today (10 Jul), a caller gave the phone number for the Schoolboard that voted to eliminate Veteran's Day and substitute a day that would remember the 400K Man March on Washington by Calipso Louie. Or was it a million men? 1-609-383-6800 Yesterday on Ken Hambin's show, Ken talked to the superintendent of Pleasantville, a town the super described as a "bedroom community" approximately 80 % Black. The super responded to Ken's questions in the affermative about: 1. Did the children say the pledge of alliegance to the flag? 2. Was there an American Flag in each classroom. The super said the board wanted to remember the March on Washington on it's first anniversity since there is not another one planned Any veterans and others who love freedom might want to call the Schoolboard with their comments about the board's action. Pleasantville is just a few miles west of Atlantic City. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:26 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17003; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA06617 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:19:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA06613 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:19:10 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17279; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:17:37 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16879; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25380; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:03:35 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E541E1@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:03:13 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.236 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Blatant discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E541E1@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= In todays San Jose Mercury News, section B, first page. "Feinstein seeks successor to District Judge Aguilar" For those out of this area, Aguilar was more-or-less forced to resign after being implicated in several wrong doings. Among the things he did was to "inform" a friend of a Federal investigation/wiretap on him. In the column it states that Feinsteins legal allies have been calling South Bay Attorneys to ask for names of LATINO LAWYERS or judges to fill Aguilars seat. This is BLATANT discrimination. But I guess it's OK if you're a Senator, looking to fill the vacant seat of a corrupt federal judge who BTW was a LATINO himself. I have nothing against LATINOS, just discrimination. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:38 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19640; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13113 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:28:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13109 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:28:15 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA06036 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:26:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29899 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:24:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02219; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:16:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E56F0B@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:15:55 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.240 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Direction and priorities Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E56F0B@msgate> Encoding: 47 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Gentlemen, the corruption we are talking about is not GRAFT. It is not >thievery. It is not abuse of power. It is TREASON. Let's start treating >it for what it is. I've been saying that for some time now. BRAVO! >===MINUTEMEN OF THE COURTS > >II. Knowing that we may not have the support for what ought to be done, >then I have suggested a "counsellor's association". This association is not >a ABA alternative, but an ABA enemy. The association would seek to bring >forward as many non-barred counsellors as that could be recruited. Teaching >and training everyone how to throw monkey wrenches into the "injustice >system". We may never win a case, but we fight our Revolution in the >courts, day in and day out. > >My thought is to publish our material via the Net or BBS for free, and to >charge money for those cases we get directly involved in. Make available >your documents and knowledge for others to research for NO COST. But when >they call for help -- you charge them a fair rate. In a revolution you >don't ask the foot soldiers to buy the guns. We give them the tools and the >manuals on how to fight the Revolution, when they need a good leader, then >they must pay for the leader. But for God's sake my friends -- give them >the arms to fight. > >The Counsellor's Association would be any counsellor that is without the >bar, and makes a statement that they seek that the American Republic be >restored. LET'S RALLY AROUND THAT WORD -- REPUBLIC. If we can bring that >word forward -- it could off this stank and dark DEMOCRACY. OUTSTANDING! As for myself, and mine, we shall gladly be counted in your ranks. BRAVO! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Remember the Republic From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:35 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20126; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:41:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13332 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:14 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13328 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:11 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07315; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:37:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00786; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:34:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02862; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:27:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E5718D@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:26:37 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.239 From: "myhr.lyle" To: patriots Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Interesting letter from the IRS Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E5718D@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Today I received a notice from the IRS, Fresno office, that there will be a "delay in processing your refund". It is for the year 1994, they say I have "overpaid" my taxes by $528.47, which BTW is EXACTLY the same amount that they stole from me with the help of my employer a few months ago. A curious way to get out of admitting wrong-doing in the theft of money. They didn't coerce my employer to send it to them with a "phoney" NOTICE OF LEVY. I simply overpaid. Well silly me. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Still not paying income tax. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:29 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12549; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08260 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:08:30 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08255 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:08:27 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02945 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:06:54 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA00526 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:04:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01132; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:55:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E69161@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:54:41 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.269 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Submission for Docket Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:00:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E69161@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Counsellors, This is something that should be discussed amongst our group. How to nail these SOB's for violating the oath of office. I submit this as something for our "docket". Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: kerry To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: Blatant discrimination Date: Thursday, July 11, 1996 7:34PM Lyle, You guys are going to have to find a way to get (s)he Feinstein out of office. Maybe there is a way, through the Oath of Office procedure? And then Scheumer, and then Spechcter (the "magic-bullet" that killed Kennedy theorist), and the rest of the ones that vote pro-UN, etc. Kerry From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05690; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:54:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09013 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09009 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06633 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:37:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03120 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:34:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02348; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:19:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E696F0@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:18:24 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.271 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Urgent help needed Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:23:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E696F0@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>I am making an appeal to anyone who is currently working for an "employer" >>and has convinced them with all the necessary paperwork not to withhold Fed >>and FICA taxes. Dan > >Go to any Taco Bell and ask for an employment application. Take it with >you. You will see that the social security number is optional. They got >sued by someone with the assistance of the EEOC(!). > >If you don't provide the employer with an SS number, they cannot withhold >the taxes. You can show them the Taco Bell application and convince them >they should do the same as Taco Bell. This is the most logical and informative information posted on this subject. GO TO YOUR NEAREST TACO BELL. Run for the border! I'm going to do it today just to have one! Even though my employer is already NOT withholding income taxes. Dan you can contact me and I'll tell you how I filled out my paperwork. myhr@ulinear.com Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29193; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09476 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:48:34 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09469 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:48:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07592 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:46:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03827 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:44:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03052; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:41:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E69BFC@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:39:56 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.272 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: New Counsellor Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E69BFC@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Therefore Mr. Justice and Mr. Constable, I would like to submit the following >counsellors from the Jefferson Book Club for membership to the Liberty Law >List: > >John Michael; Manuola jmichael@hooked.net >Haywood Lloyd; Alexander suijuri1@ix.netcom.com >Marc Harris; Kaplin plp3880@aol.com >Franklin Bruce; Lunn viger@metro.NET >Carol Lynn; Johnson kagillion@earthlink.net > >I personally recommend and repsectfully submit the above named Citizens in >Party to litigate on the Liberty Law List. > >Respectfully >John Edward; Burr, Sui juris Having attended one of their meetings I will vouch for the character of the group. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:42:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org ([204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03269; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02912 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:01:00 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA02892 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:00:07 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26117; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:58:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA06871; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:54:32 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20268; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:41:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EABA5D@msgate>; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:38:37 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.316 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: RE: The State: Public Enemy No. 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EABA5D@msgate> Encoding: 53 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Someone writes: >Suppose you are the owner of a fish market, and during the course of your business someone comes into your store and offers to sell you some abalone. The price is right, so you buy it. The next thing you know you?re in handcuffs, under arrest for illegal possession of abalone. It turns out that the guy who offered to sell the abalone to you was a State agent from the Department of Fish and Game. Insult is added to injury, for now the State tells you it is going to confiscate your business, as it was used in the commission of a crime. This confiscation is called ?civil forfeiture.? Do you see anything wrong with this scene? It happens all the time, and various State agencies are becoming fabulously rich at other?s expense. What I have described above is called ?entrapment.? It is illegal, and any action committed by one as a result of the entrapment, as a matter of law, is vitiated. ?Entrapment ? is defined as the inducement by a legal authority to commit a crime. It involves an offering, to plant of an idea in another?s mind to commit a crime. Entrapment is against the law. It always has been. The scenario presented here can be and has been with regularity extended to the buying of ?illegal drugs.? Next thing the guy knows who bought some devil weed is his car and home have been confiscated by the State. State and local agencies have found that civil forfeiture is a fast and wonderful means by which to supplement their incomes. Civil forfeitures proceed without reference to any constitutional restrictions. Further, there is no redress even if found innocent of any wrong doing. Government has been vacated. The people of America are at the mercy of a criminal sydicalist organization called the ?Welfare State.? No private property is safe. The State is in the business of terror, something the Familia Cosa Nostra was noted for. You may very well be the next victim of these lunatics. Don?t you think it?s high time we put these bastards out of business for good? < My sentiments exactly. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:43:05 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org ([204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26798; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA25707 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:20:15 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA25699 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:20:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27451; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:18:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA00929; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:16:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11086; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:15:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EBCD38@msgate>; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:11:20 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.319 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Gregory Berger Cc: Liberty Law , patriots Subject: LLAW: RE: W4 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EBCD38@msgate> Encoding: 77 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Contact the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. I don't know if they are still taking cases such as this or not, it's worth asking. ------------------------------------ >Dear Mr. Berger, >As per conversations you have had with (X) and (Y) regarding paperwork >required to be completed by Federal Law; your employment with (Z) will be >terminated effective today, July 10, 1996. What SPECIFIC Federal Law are they talking about? Do THEY know? Or are they being TOLD? Hint: There isn't one! >Your first day of employment was Monday, July 1, 1996 and I have not >received any paperwork from you. By Federal Law you have seventy two (72) >hours to complete your I-9 Form that authorizes you to work in the United >States. You refused to provide the documentation to support that >authorization or to sign the form, therefore, (Z) is unable to employ you. But (Z) did employ you, even if it was for a short time. I take it you have been fired? Play hard ball! >(Z) is a private company in the State of Ohio and is bound by all Federal, >State and Local laws that apply. Which are? Make them SHOW you the law. Since I asked my employer to show me, they have acquiesced. >Upon submitting all of the original paperwork that you currently have in >your possession (that you originally signed), your payroll check will be >mailed to you at the address given to you by us, the employer. This is coercion, theft, blackmail, illegal conversion of funds, etc, etc. If you did ANY work for them, they owe you money, regardless. >Any questions or comment should be directed to me by correspondence only, >and mailed to the office. Send a Notice and Demand to show cause. Send a Demand for payment. (All documents should be witnessed by two people, not related to you.) -------------------------------- >The only thing that I filled out was an application for employment. I >refused to sign the I-9, W4, A State of Ohio form, and an Electronic funds >tranfer form. ( that electronic transfer form scared the h-ll out of me ) >Just what is this I-9 anyway? What does a guy do about it? The I-9, is to purportedly replace the use of your birth cirtificate, when proving you are a "citizen", who can indeed work in this country. I've never filled one out. You can fill out a W-4 "correctly" and not pay taxes. You need to slam these people with the fear of the law, since they have already fired you. Send them notice that you will sue to get your money that is owed to you. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >Greg Berger, From ???@??? Thu Jul 18 12:15:52 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08463 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05003 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:48:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA08241 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:44:41 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18300; Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:38:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EE7553@msgate>; Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:33:07 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re:military plane? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EE7553@msgate> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I must have missed this one. When, where, who. More details please, please. Lyle =========================================================== Finally, a planeload of military people were en route to arrest Clinton, after OKC, when it was blown out of the sky. Motives, anybody? ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:12 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14077 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20451 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:17:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25097 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:14:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26659; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:10:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE4143@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:07:15 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: Montana Freemen Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE4143@msgate> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: I thought LeRoy was supposed to be in lockdown? Has that changed? If he is able to be contacted in person there are others who could deliver your papers. You want them delivered to LeRoy, and not the court? I can FAX or Email to people in Helena. "Tarheel" knows the people of 'Justus', maybe he would be a better choice to get stuff to LeRoy. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Cc: libertylaw Subject: Montana Freemen Date: Monday, July 29, 1996 10:22PM --=====================_838729372==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lyle, Is there any way you can get the following brief to LeRoy Schweitzer? I am considering a removal action from Garfield County court into His common law court. What do you think? /s/ Paul From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:13 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16010; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:37:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09960 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:33 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09952 for libertylaw; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09948 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:24 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20564; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:17:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25091; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:14:33 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27003; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:13:27 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE41F2@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:10:10 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: behold Subject: LLAW: Ending government contracts Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:18:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE41F2@msgate> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= When you want to end a contract you have entered into with the Federal government or any of its agencies, that you believe was entered into under fraudulent conditions, you do not RESCIND your contract. You should RECANT any statements made by yourself, and EXPUNGE the contract for FRAUD. This applies to such things as your SSN, and DL. Comments please? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:29 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19701; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA13930 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:51:00 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA13923 for libertylaw; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:50:53 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13921 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:50:52 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02658 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:47:15 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA02291 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:44:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01507; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:37:40 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE55AC@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:34:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Ending government contracts Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:42:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE55AC@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= ( I'm really beginning to dislike the way this system cuts off the last few lines of messages.) When you want to end a contract you have entered into with the Federal government or any of its agencies, that you believe was entered into under fraudulent conditions, you do not RESCIND your contract. You should RECANT any statements made by yourself, and EXPUNGE the contract for FRAUD. This applies to such things as your SSN, and DL. Comments please? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:21 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24749; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08604 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08595 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:10 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08593 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:09 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23755; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:07:52 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA08039; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:04:27 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06373; Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:56:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FF8F3B@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:52:11 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Tarheel Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Ending government contracts Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FF8F3B@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= 16. In 1942, the Supreme Court handed down a ruling in a case involving the Agriculture Adjustment Act. It contained the folllowing terse statement issued by Justice Robert H. Jackson: "It is hardly lack of due process for the government to regulate that which it subsidizes." Whickard v. Filburn, 311 U.S. 111. Turn down subsidies or be willingly regulated. What is a subsidy? Everything which the government spends money on. Medicine, cars, roads, insurance, schools, on and on. Come out from among them My children. ------------------------------------------------- Good points. So if the government pays for *some* medical research, that may or may not ever affect me, I must be regulated. Even when I buy what I need myself, without subsidy? Since the government *pays* the contractor to build the road I drive on, I must be regulated, even though it is *my* money that the government pays the contractor with? Since the government *purports* that education in its system of schools is mandatory, and as a property owner I am *forced* to pay taxes to support their system of education, whether or not I have ever had any use of their system of education, I must be regulated? Since the government subsidises insurance companies, through lower corporate tax rates and most importantly *mandated* coverage by law, I must be regulated? Do you see how every single argument is bass-ackwards? It is the industries involved in their dealings with the government and us that must be regulated. We are just regulated as a mater of course, and because it is necessary for them to accomplish their major goal. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:26 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08368; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09015 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:47 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09008 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09006 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:41 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28994; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:38:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA10422; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:34:54 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07458; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:21:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FF953F@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:17:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Treaty to usurp the Constitution, again. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:26:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FF953F@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= An International "Treaty" designed to combat terrorist attacks in the future, is being agreed upon right now. Janet Reno is in Paris, France along with members from 25 other countries. She finds it "incredible" that no such International Law currently exists. The first two points of agreement on their list are: 1) Better regulate the manufacture and sale of *firearms*, explosives and "any device designed to cause violent injury, damage or destruction." 2) Seek ways to prevent terrorists from using electronic and wire communications. These are two things that we fight with here every day, lately. The right to keep arms, and freedom of speech. Now they are planning to usurp our Constitution by International treaty once again. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:38 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10709; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA10142 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:17 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA10135 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:15 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10133 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:14 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA08493 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:37:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA15397 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:34:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09658; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:23:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FFA3C7@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:19:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Nevada Legislators Expunge Con Con Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FFA3C7@msgate> Encoding: 104 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I got this from Kerry.......I can't forward the entire article from here, I have a two page limit. Lyle ============================================================ From: comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution) Subject: Nevada Legislators Expunge Con Con NEVADA LAWMAKERS EXPUNGE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION Citing the cautionary words of former Chief Justice Warren Burger, who said on 30 January 1987, "There is no way to put a muzzle on a constitutional convention", Nevada lawmakers, during the 64th session, 1987 Legislature, approved withdrawal of a previous request for a constitutional convention by a 39 to 2 majority. Adoption of Assembly Joint Resolution No. 25, chief sponsor Assemblyman Bob Price with forty-one co-sponsors, challenged the State's call on Congress for a convention 'limited to proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States which would require a balanced federal budget'. "While concern about the lack of a balanced federal budget still exists", said the legislators, "a greater concern exists over the possibility of plunging our nation into the uncertainty of a constitutional convention which might subject the fundamental document which has provided stability, security and liberty to Americans for 200 years to innumerable and possibly radical changes." Public hearing on AJR #25 was held 27 March 1987 before the Committee on Legislative Functions, Nevada State Legislature, Assemblyman Myrna Williams, Chairman. On the roster of constitutionally-oriented citizens who testified in favor of the resolution was Mr T David Horton, Legal Counsel, Committee to Restore the Constitution. Applauding State lawmakers for their action to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, Mr Horton introduced a unique option, "A Resolution Expunging Call for Federal Constitutional Convention". "Expunge" procedure offers to state legislators wrestling with the Con Con problem a solution to the question of whether or not a state may rescind a request to Congress for a constitutional convention once made. In his testimony Attorney Horton suggested: "The question that I see in AJR #25 is one that was touched on by Mr Getto as to whether this is a one-way street. There has been a lot of talk about the Constitutional Convention. Ordinarily this talk comes in the form of rulings made by people whose philosophies are generally simplest. The one-way street that they put the States on with regard to ratification of the Constitution is a clear indication of a possible danger with regard to requesting a Constitutional Convention. "In order to remove that doubt, I've distributed to the members of this committee, a proposed resolution which would handle the matter without giving rise to the question of whether or not a State may rescind a request once it is made. "The expunging approach has this advantage that instead of saying, back in 1980 we did something in a constitutional posture and we want to undo it. If the expunging approach is used, then that kills it from the outset. "This particular device was used in the expunging of the Senate censure of President Jackson. Some of the language in this proposed Nevada resolution is taken from that legislative history where they expunged that resolution that many Senators later thought they had no business adopting. "It is for that reason that the findings here, which are not recitals, but are set forth as findings, are to the effect that first, the reason for adopting it was to try to balance the budget. It turns out that the reason the Nevada legislature was induced to approve it was because of the belief that this was the proper device for accomplishing that. And, that it would be undone in the event that it happened to be a mistake. Now that particular representation happens not to have been correct and, therefore, paragraph two in the 'expunge' resolution points out that the Constitution does not provide for a single issue Constitutional Convention. "The third point is that it is not a change in the present US Constitution that is needed to balance the federal budget so much as it is an issue of whether we can cause the federal agencies to honor the present Constitution. In other words it is constitutional enforcement, not constitutional change that is needed if we want to balance the federal budget." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- RESOLVED, That certified copies of this resolution, together with the expunged portion of the Assembly Journal be forwarded to the Governor, the Senate of the State of Nevada, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States, the Vice President of the United States as President of the Senate and the Nevada Congressional Delegation. **************************************************************************** Archibald E Roberts, LtCol, AUS, ret, Director Committee to Restore the Constitution, Inc Post Office Box 986 Fort Collins CO 80522 Web Page: http://www.fortnet.org/~comminc From ???@??? Mon Aug 05 11:01:50 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA28951 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08968 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:00 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21273 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:46:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20412; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:48:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32063341@msgate>; Mon, 05 Aug 96 10:45:37 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Bouvier's Law Dictionary Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 10:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <32063341@msgate> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: b7fcd3a9987a512e9dfccde0ffcf8f9a I got this twice, for some reason. It seems that I get everything from Jon Roland twice. Why is that? Does anybody know? ================================================== I sometimes get up to SIX identical posts from Jon-boy, the spam king. I got this same message twice also. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Aug 05 16:59:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA29665; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:46:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15486 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:43:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15479 for libertylaw; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:42:59 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15477 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:42:58 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16167; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:38:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA19478; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:34:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04127; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:35:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32068484@msgate>; Mon, 05 Aug 96 16:32:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Dennis Clark'" , jrr Cc: Liberty Law , patriots Subject: LLAW: Gas additive legislation (CA) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 16:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <32068484@msgate> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: edf873f839ed00065895be71bfd30cd2 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Has anyone heard of the now pending legislation in California to add a concoction to our fuel which will ultimately cause our fuel lines to split and could cause CAR FIRES! Also pending is a law to eliminate vehicles over four years old. (rumor mill?) The fuel additive will have the same initial effect as a year restriction, as the newer cars will have different types of fittings on their fuel lines. Then after we are *used to* getting_rid_of_a_four_year_old_car_, they will pass the second suggested law!!! Catch it on www.ksfo560.com They are planning to run this by the Governor BEFORE this FRIDAY!!!!!! There is supposed to be a rally in Sacramento Aug 21st. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Aug 06 12:54:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA05278; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02165 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02158 for libertylaw; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:51 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02156 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:46 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27902 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:48:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA12390 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:45:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04875; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:42:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3207916B@msgate>; Tue, 06 Aug 96 11:39:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Taxes and Citizenship Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 11:47:00 PDT Message-Id: <3207916B@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 0b63a454b5ef05dcaaaaec7ed5ca4244 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >> >>"Frivolous" is their label when the >>feds are desperate (i.e. cannot >>think of anything better). >> > >This brings me back to an earlier question which got lost when the list went >down. How does one quickly get around the "frivolous" defense? IMO, to state that an argument is "frivolous", without any substantiation, is in itself "frivolous". We are being stonewalled in a very open and devious manner. It is so open and devious, that most refuse to believe it. No, they wouldn't do that! Remember, an Affidavit can not "simply" be dismissed as being frivolous. It must be answered, point for point. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 22:01:46 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA22255; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01657 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:36 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01648 for libertylaw; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:34 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01646 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:33 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00617 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:42:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA02989 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29311; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:26:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <320A848D@msgate>; Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:21:33 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: CIEL What is a Sovereign citizen Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <320A848D@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9dd43e9d6f594ccc1f60b049f91579e9 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >However, I do respect the rights of individuals and proprietors to >discriminate on race. However, this right is a private right, not something >that can be brought over into American public institutions, not at this >point in time. > >~Tom Clark Very nicely stated. It is an individual right to discriminate, for individual reasons. It is not a state or publicly sanctioned activity. As it should be. It is the ultimate level of the "freedom of speech". It, of course, goes without saying that all do not use this right in the same manner. Further, you can not necessarily use this right with impunity. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Aug 12 20:23:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id PAA26183; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA16578 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:57 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA16570 for libertylaw; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:53 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16566 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:51 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA14287 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:02:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA16691 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:54:33 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06235; Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:45:26 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <320FA55C@msgate>; Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:42:52 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Indirect taxes or direct taxes Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:50:00 PDT Message-Id: <320FA55C@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: ccf2be8c0108906fbb39cd8a22d3a52f Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >That's my point: you can avoid the tax by not participating in the event. >However, it is unreasonable to ask us not to participate in certain events >(like cars, telephone service) Lyle comments: We should separate "participation" from "paying for services". The biggest loophole in the world and we all have fallen for it. When I pay a "business" for services, am I resigning any of my rights? Am I joining a "commune" where there are "different" rules for life? No. I am paying for services, much like paying your mechanic, or gardener. We have been led to believe that one of the things that "ties" us into being a "federal citizen" is all of the "so-called" hidden contracts that we are duped into signing. If that be the case, then they can all be rescinded, or expunged. >>As for gasoline and utility taxes, I would submit that the use of >>gasoline engines on the public ways is damaging to the environment, and >>is therefore an activity that can be taxed for revenue purposes >Is this your opinion, or the actual fact? Our government shouldn't run on >opinion and speculation, it should run on lawfully enacted statutes. :-) Lyle comments: Obviously it was an opinion. IMO, "tree-hugging" should be taxed. 8-)) The first question that should be asked is who is "really" doing the polluting? Is it the car owner, who has little choice of what fuel to purchase? Or is it the fuel manufacturer, who refuses to produce environmentally safe fuel? I don't think you need five PHD's to understand the answer. >>Power and >>phone transmission lines are ugly and unsightly, and I guess it is >>possible for some people to argue that makes these activities >>taxable for revenue purposes Lyle comments: I'd hate to have you on my city council. Or on some governmental committee. >This ought to be the phone companies problem to work out with the customer, >not the government. Which they do already. In many "newer" communities the power and phone lines are all underground. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Aug 15 17:04:48 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA25250; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00347 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:51:08 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00340 for libertylaw; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:51:06 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00338 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:51:05 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01839 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:47:12 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA04325 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:44:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20415; Thu, 15 Aug 96 16:40:58 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3213B471@msgate>; Thu, 15 Aug 96 16:36:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FRCP Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 16:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <3213B471@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 1f3a7e2fe8464a04f47c4d4bc8791423 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Where can the FRCP be found on the net? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Aug 16 10:38:09 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA06646; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA18528 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:42 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA18521 for libertylaw; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:40 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18519 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25219 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:07:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14649 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:04:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14009; Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:01:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3214A81D@msgate>; Fri, 16 Aug 96 09:55:57 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Boy Scouts Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <3214A81D@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 90f7eedf158061653e65a33064840553 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= This could be why the BSA is currently being sued to allow homosexuals to join and/or lead them. They are "Federally" chartered. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Cc: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Audit Experience? Date: Friday, August 16, 1996 1:15AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Tarheel wrote: > ======================================================================= > LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA > Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing > ======================================================================= > At 10:35 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> > >I never knew Congress chartered corporations. Authority? > > > >--Andrew Lehr > >Common Law Network > > > > > Tarheel has no cite, but presents the fact that Congress chartered the Boy > Scouts of America in 1909, which is regularly sued as a corporation would > be. You local BSA office could provide a copy of the charter. > ------------------------------------------------- > Tarheel > Sovereign Christian Resource Center > > MIRRORED WEB SITES: > http://www.caprica.com/~scrc > http://www.cogent.net/~scrc > tarheel@zekes.com > > Confirms my understanding that federal chartering is only used in special or unusual cases, is the exception to primary role of states in chertering or registering (usually the latter nowadays) corps, and leaves a hole in the assertion made. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network From ???@??? Thu Aug 22 10:38:14 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA24768; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08717 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:27:02 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08710 for libertylaw; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:27:00 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08707 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:26:55 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21924 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:23:05 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA20128 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:15:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01869; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:18:55 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10178; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:16:21 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <321C95D4@msgate>; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:16:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: state Sup Ct help Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <321C95D4@msgate> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: cafce239b2501a814867558bf24b68a5 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >Time to push hard against driver licenses >and vehicle registration. Let's FOIA those >Manufacturer's Statements of Origin (MSO), >then default them when they fall silent. >The corporate states are holding these >MSO's in due course (a holder in due course), >after having fraudulently obtained the MSO's >in the first place, from the original sellers >(i.e. the auto dealers). > >================================================= >Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com >ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state >================================================= Good idea. Maybe a class action suit could be filed against the auto dealers association for misrepresenting the sale. Hit them both and maybe one will flinch. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Sep 16 04:17:16 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA04382 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25768 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:12:42 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14980 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:04:12 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19647; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:58:07 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23860; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:57:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <323D8656@msgate>; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:54:46 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE:FBI letter Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 10:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <323D8656@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 877c340eb7873808532b0e8d8f1c8f57 The Standard of Truth must always be a burden. Whether to go *public* or to pass the Standard to others who would carry it for you. A summary of facts should suffice for now. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Dear Friends, I am requesting your comments on the propriety of sharing here the letter I wrote to the FBI last week. Senior FBI agents in Phoenix requested more information to substantiate my allegation that a federal judge in Arizona has committed over 100 felonies in just one case, in less than 3 months. I am an eyewitness to these felonies. We are in the "delicate" phase of this investigation. The FBI might not like it if I went public with this letter. What say you, fellow counselors? Would a summary of pertinent facts suffice? Your private counsel is most appreciated. /s/ Paul Mitchell =========================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state =========================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 10 12:18:39 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA06273; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA10298 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:10:30 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA10291 for libertylaw; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:10:28 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10289 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:10:27 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21086; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:06:06 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA28341; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:14:24 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28841; Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:51:22 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <325D45A4@msgate2>; Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:51:16 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Happy Chili Day! Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:50:00 PDT Message-Id: <325D45A4@msgate2> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 95bf099313b0002ae7ecb1f7e67a75f7 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Hi All, Yesterday was my birthday. Today is our annual Chili cook-off. So I'm just "farting" around. Have fun while you stay out of trouble today. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Oct 12 12:11:08 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA14205; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA13568 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:45:01 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA13561 for libertylaw; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:44:57 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA13559 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:44:56 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA10165 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:16:01 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA06597 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:24:19 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12628; Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:11:06 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <325EB7E3@msgate2>; Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:10:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Tired of being a citizen of the United States Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <325EB7E3@msgate2> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: a4c2116d4009d010b096bb3d1400adcd ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Who said you can't? Is it some MAXIM of legalese? Just curious. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Did you know that you can't use two different defintions of the same word in one sentence?? "14th--born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" singular I think, and that means that yuo have to be born in the District of Columbia, or a federal territory, not one of the several states of the union of several states, unless the states have been abolished. Richard From ???@??? Fri Oct 11 18:45:26 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA20731; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:44:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA13008 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:30:37 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA13000 for libertylaw; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:30:35 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA12998 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:30:33 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA10308 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:35:56 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA06957 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:44:15 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12796; Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:29:04 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <325EBC18@msgate2>; Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:28:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: High priority query Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 14:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <325EBC18@msgate2> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 6fcd8969dd0d3dc27657b5319ca1178f ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Message received. A good one too! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Howdy Folks, There is some indication that all my mail is not reaching all its destinations, so if you get multiples, pardon me. I would appreciate confirmations of your receipt of this message. (snip) From ???@??? Mon Oct 14 12:13:16 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA22340; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA29747 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:11:42 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA29740 for libertylaw; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:11:41 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29738 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:11:39 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28609 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:07:18 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA05661 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:15:37 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12614; Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:55:08 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32628C83@msgate2>; Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:54:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: setting the record straight Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <32628C83@msgate2> Encoding: 56 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: d6e9e3c4155ff68e0dc8c238a82166a3 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >The Federal Zone was placed on the Internet >without the author's permission, by an unidentified >individual. The version which was placed >on the Internet violated the copyright rules >expressed in the Preface, because the character >stream was modified by eliminating bold, >underlines, and italics. Much work was done >in the original book to emphasize key words >and phrases in laws and court decisions, by >alternately using bold, underline, and >italics to help readers parse the language. Such things are, sad to say, quite common on the NET. It is next to impossible to control. It is next to impossible to verify "origin of DATA". Especially when a Nomme De Plume is used. >Moreover, the Preface states that people would >be obligated to pay the author $25 if they >found The Federal Zone useful in any way. >This is the "honor system" used for shareware >within the computer industry. Less than 10 >people have even offered to pay this shareware >fee, and I have evidence that many, many more >than this number of people have read the >unauthorized Internet version of the book. You claim it is unauthorized, but YOU want payment for the content? If YOU didn't post it, YOU shouldn't get paid for it. Yeah I know that isn't KOSHER to say the least. But that is how the real world would look at this. At best your complaint is with the original poster to "cease and decist", and forward all gains received from the sale of your "purportedly copyrighted work". You still have to prove your copyright. (snip) >Now, if any of you have read any portion of >The Federal Zone, I invite you to read the Preface >and to forward to me the $25 shareware fee. Screeech.....crash, bang, tinkle, tinkle.....(Theory of "honor system" for shareware use hitting a brick wall.) OK. First you say pay $25 if you find the information useful, or mayhaps actually USE the information. Then you digress to say "If you have ever READ ANY PORTION of it you should pay the $25." I'm sorry, but I haven't found it to be of use. So no payment is due under the original claim of "shareware honor system." Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Oct 14 13:48:30 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA02641; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:45:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA03493 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:40:46 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA03485 for libertylaw; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:40:44 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03483 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:40:39 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03150; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:36:14 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA09132; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:44:33 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13917; Mon, 14 Oct 96 13:35:00 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3262A3EB@msgate2>; Mon, 14 Oct 96 13:34:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Thank you Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 13:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <3262A3EB@msgate2> Encoding: 6 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: f82ffe69543a6ee7c3e45792f78e84bd ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= This is to say thank you, to all of you who wrote to me to wish me a happy birthday. Lyle Charles Iver From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 14:30:58 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA02105; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06352 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:16:24 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06345 for libertylaw; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:16:22 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06343 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:16:21 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01701 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:12:22 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA16313 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:20:36 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00211; Tue, 15 Oct 96 13:47:25 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3263F854@msgate2>; Tue, 15 Oct 96 13:47:16 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: First night.... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 13:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <3263F854@msgate2> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 27d04340fbecd872f6d254fa36c986d7 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= You assume that these are People who have American and Constitutional interests in mind...and are true People of the posterity...after about 100+ years of occupation...would it not be possible for the invading force to propagate its own blood line thereby dilluting the blood line of the People and Citizens of the conquered nation? ~John Edward ================== >From "Braveheart". The RIGHT of "first night" has never been relinquished by the nobles. It only lay dormant long enough to build itself to proper size. This is most visible in the "fraternity and sorority" houses across the country. Look at how our political and media "families" are so closely entangled. i.e. Diane Sawyer (ABC) Father was a Federal Judge. Cokie Roberts (ABC) Parents - both - were US Senators (Bogg). It's everywhere if you look. The door is closed. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. (Devoted follower of William Wallace) From ???@??? Tue Oct 15 14:46:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA07175; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07784 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:17 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07777 for libertylaw; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:15 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07775 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:13 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA03349; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:42:27 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA18180; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:50:46 -0700 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00894; Tue, 15 Oct 96 14:18:22 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3263FF95@msgate2>; Tue, 15 Oct 96 14:18:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: John Burr Subject: LLAW: RE: Passport Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 14:15:00 PDT Message-Id: <3263FF95@msgate2> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 3ffe61b34147c7f1b9b24c3389159019 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= 4. My take on this is that many Patriots, including some counsellors on this list, have obtained British West Indies ID and plates, California Citizen ID and plates, etc. and have had nothing but trouble. They are still , stopped, ticketed , and dragged into court, railroaded and subjected to fighting again and again in court. If one had and produced a diplomatic passport or a passport for national of the United States per 8 USC 1101(22)(B) and the Republic in which one was domiciled, in lieu of a license [Drivers or otherwise], I believe that the issue would be dropped on the scene by the officer and you would be allowed to continue unhindered...ie it would never migrate to court. A red passport signifying a Diplomat [in our cases..diplomat of the Republic in which we are domicled], we would have diplomatic immunity. What sayest thou to this premise? ============================================================= I will read everything I can on this subject. Diplomatic Passports. What a concept. I'll keep you informed as to my research. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Oct 17 15:02:22 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA19013; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06275 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:32:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06268 for libertylaw; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:32:30 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06266 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:32:27 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA03780 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 96 17:20:10 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01725; Thu, 17 Oct 96 14:20:07 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3266A2FD@msgate2>; Thu, 17 Oct 96 14:19:57 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: what do you know about commonlaw@teleport com ? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 14:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <3266A2FD@msgate2> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 4e369e3ba2c9a7c3b466032632fd13d0 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I would not tend to agree with the below statement. I do not know Charles Stewart personally, but have conversed with him via email in one group or another, and generally have no complaint which could be focused towards him. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Do you know any thing about Mr Charles Stewart owner of commonlaw@teleport.com I believe he is a F.B.I.mole. what do yyou think ?? From ???@??? Thu Oct 17 16:51:56 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA00704; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA09420 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:22:53 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA09413 for libertylaw; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:22:51 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09411 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:22:50 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA22257 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 96 19:03:52 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02923; Thu, 17 Oct 96 16:01:32 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3266BAC1@msgate2>; Thu, 17 Oct 96 16:01:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Recent Decision on UCC lien Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 16:00:00 PDT Message-Id: <3266BAC1@msgate2> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 7db0643c5004a73265548a095e6890b8 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= ======================================================================= Read it and weep...then please comment on the various arguments addressed in this case forthwith.. 912 F.Supp. 224 UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff, v. Gale E. GREENSTREET, LuAnn Taylor, County Clerk of Dallam County, Texas, and LeRoy Hutton, County Clerk of Randall County, Texas, Defendants. No. 2:95-CV-119-J. United States District Court, N.D. Texas, Amarillo Division. Jan. 18, 1996. ======================================================================= After reading it I would say they lost because of exactly what the last few paragraphs states...."improper proceedure". "Improperly given arguements", it happens every time. Lyle Charles Iver From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 10:59:56 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA23064; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:47:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA11010 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:46:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA11003 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:46:13 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11001 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:46:09 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08638 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:21:34 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22933; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:15:06 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BAF8E@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:14:54 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: White House Constitution Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BAF8E@msgate2> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: b8943f617c6aed5ae7fc97c54e2111d1 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= If you would like the .ZIP file which I prepared today, using the PKZIP program, please request this file here from Me. Your request must come with your written agreement not to modify the character stream in any way, and to require proof of same from any others to whom you might forward a copy. We want this file to remain intact, letter-for-letter. We appreciate your cooperation in this regard. ==================================================== Paul, I would like a copy please, and promise not to alter it in any manner, and will require same to all whom it may be forwarded to. /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 10:59:53 1996 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA19438 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08638 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:21:34 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22933; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:15:06 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BAF8E@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:14:54 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: White House Constitution Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BAF8E@msgate2> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 3839f581676251d27b9f95bf2db72b71 Status: U If you would like the .ZIP file which I prepared today, using the PKZIP program, please request this file here from Me. Your request must come with your written agreement not to modify the character stream in any way, and to require proof of same from any others to whom you might forward a copy. We want this file to remain intact, letter-for-letter. We appreciate your cooperation in this regard. ==================================================== Paul, I would like a copy please, and promise not to alter it in any manner, and will require same to all whom it may be forwarded to. /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 11:29:18 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA12087; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA11617 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:00:30 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA11610 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:00:28 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11607 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:00:26 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA10780 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:33:50 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23341; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:34:34 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BB41E@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:34:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: The War is over. Right? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:33:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BB41E@msgate2> Encoding: 54 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 4ff1f80c8e541a720320b2a5f4796be0 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= The question to answer first is: Do the Electors have that power? The PEOPLE obviously DO, but aren't using it. Next question is: Who are the Electors? In *both* senses of the word. Meaning the Elector who *now* votes for President, and the Elector(s) who *may* be lawfully registered within their respective states. How does one become an Elector? Obviously one should become an Elector if possible. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Why would not the electors of the each of the foreign states have a convention and decide if there was any war - rebellion or invasion. If not, Declare that there is no war and we are using the Peace time Constitution of the United States. Remembering, they did it to themselves - senator, rep. presid. There is no one to represent the Electors. The countrymen with the power. All of the offices are open. the best Ralph Kermit, Winterrowd citizen of the United States nunc pro tunc Citizen of the State of Kansas (equal footing with the orginal States) domiciled in the Territory of Alaska Born of natural born parents of the Posterity Sovereign State in Fact If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry: Speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23,1775 My Homepage is: http://www.alaska.net/~winter/jefferson.html From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 11:30:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA07698; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12020 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:22:58 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12013 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:22:56 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12011 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA16083 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:03:38 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23585; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:58:38 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BB9C1@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:58:25 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: scrc Subject: LLAW: RE: Pervert Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 10:58:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BB9C1@msgate2> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 7eacff2efc99d57e2ca5ec5992799518 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I don't know who you would contact at AOL. I had a similar *event* happen to me a few weeks ago. I received *four* emails in the same day, all from the same origin, but *sent* from other cites. All from people whom I had never heard of. Advertising porn. Probably just junk email, I don't think it would be a set-up. But be cautious anyway. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Friends, Some pervert sent Me some info about child porno to see if I was interested. He has an AOL address. Does anyone know how I can pursue this with AOL to get the guy to stop sending random perverted messages? There ARE some things that have no "redeeming social value" and are specifically "prurient interests". There have been a few legal rulings on this subject. I don't want anyone else to be subjected to receiving this kind of spam. He said the message was sent to Me " because your email address was on a list that fit this category." My address would be I'm not buying that excuse. Also, in reading it again, it might be a set up looking for people into porno so the cops can bust them. That would be OK, but don't send this kind of crap out to just anyone. Who do I contact at AOL? Thanks. Robert Happy From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 11:44:17 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19949; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:38:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12484 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:35:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12477 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:35:54 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12475 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:35:52 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18231 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:19:30 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23874; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:13:05 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BBD25@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:12:53 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Firemen (Belgian) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BBD25@msgate2> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: d93fd0a07038862e83d5503a45e7cb45 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Yes I saw a story about them this past weekend. It would be interesting to see if we could spur some spontaneous activity like that here. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Dear America, I erred in writing about "French Firemen." This should have been "Belgian Firemen." Please accept my sincere apologies. I forgot where Liege is located. /s/ Paul Mitchell =========================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state =========================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 14:44:41 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA15406; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA16792 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:50:02 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA16785 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:49:59 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA16781 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:49:55 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA12824 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 16:49:08 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26091; Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:47:20 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BE14B@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:47:07 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: BATF testing of ANFO explosives Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 13:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BE14B@msgate2> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 473e863063ef2aea94e9d9a125b444eb ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Also, remember the bombing in the middle east recently, with a TANKER TRUCK as the delivery vehicle. Its blast was LARGER than the OKC blast, but inflicted LESS structural damage to A VERY SIMILARLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDING. There were NO interior support columns collapsed. Lyle Charles Iver ========================================= > >One active hypothesis I would explore >is the high probability that special >charges were drilled into the bearing >columns, down at basement level, while >employees were not likely to be using >the parking garage. Properly wired, >these explosives could be detonated >in unison. Their total failure proves >the charges were drilled at ground >level, or lower. Drilled higher up >in altitude, these same columns would >not have failed from collapsing debris, >since their structural integrity would still >be intact at ground level, rendering >them "needle-nosed" spikes piercing the >falling debris. Just a few thoughts. >I am not an expert in structural demolition, >however. > >/s/ Paul Mitchell > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 21 16:00:07 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA16039; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA19431 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:24:48 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA19424 for libertylaw; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:24:46 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA19422 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:24:44 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA29204 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 18:22:16 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27260; Mon, 21 Oct 96 15:08:07 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326BF43A@msgate2>; Mon, 21 Oct 96 15:07:54 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: NEW APPLICANT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 15:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <326BF43A@msgate2> Encoding: 75 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 510f7a7c05b290d0071f3c096e29cd43 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= It would appear that Mr. Kay is of good heart. I would ask him how it is that he became aware of our list. Other than that I have no complaint or questions concerning his membership. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= LIST MEMBERS PLEASE READ WILLIAM'S REQUEST BELOW MY COMMENTS William, Thanks for contacting me. The process for getting on to LIBERTYLAW is rather simple, but often we fail miserably as the administrators of the process. This appears to be the problem in your case. I have been given broad authority to process applicants. Currently, the process that I have been going by is as follows: The process is to contact a list member or the administrator to see if you can get two current members to sponsor you. This is not too difficult for someone of the right mindset. All you have to do is tell a list member about yourself and depending upon how the list member feels about you...he may or may not submit you for acceptance. it only takes two current members to bring you in. Unless someone makes a timely objection in strong language, normally, someone will eventually add their support to your membership. Sometimes a list member will contact you before they offer there support. That being said, let me assure you your name and request has been forwarded to the general membership. As I am not always on the Internet sometimes there is a short delay before I update majordomo. That's when the messages start the flow. God bless, ~Tom Clark At 12:29 AM 10/17/95 +0100, you wrote: >Greetings and Salutations, > >I have a desire to be added to your list. However, I don't seem to >able to get anyone to respond to my request, although you do seem to >post my responses to mail which is forwarded me. > >I have attempted to correspond with Robert Happy, in that he initiated >such, but have met with no response to my inquiries? What must one do >to achieve access? > >I have been studying law since the late 70's, with a hiatus for about 8 >years since 1982. I have done little other for the last 6 years but >research. > >I am one of the few in West Palm Beach with a smattering of understaning >of the things written on your server and would appreciate the ability to >gather more information. I am not into "earning a living" off of infor- >mation, but the Bible does say a man should provide for his families >needs, so I do research cases for others. those who can afford to pay >for the service do, those who cannot, don't. > >I am interested in learning and where I can, teaching. I am also one of >those Christian men attempting to implement a Christian Jural Society >here in Palm Beach County. > >would you please consider me for your list? I am also putting together >a list server with a friend of mine, if you would be interested in being >added to it once it's up and running. > >Thank you for your time, > >In Christ, I am > >William Gordon: Kay > From ???@??? Tue Oct 22 11:54:15 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02841; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA24307 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:43:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA24300 for libertylaw; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:43:53 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24291 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:43:47 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA06669 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 13:33:53 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08859; Tue, 22 Oct 96 10:32:57 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326D053C@msgate2>; Tue, 22 Oct 96 10:32:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: RADAR DISCOVERY Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 10:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <326D053C@msgate2> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 03ec6fc496ba21705f98a0b63e3c10ba ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= My father used to always win his RADAR tickets in Washington State by challenging the use of the gun. In a very similar fashion to Richards. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Jurists, I must comment that way back before I became truly involved with patriot issues I came across the same thing that Richard is touting. Now, I don't quite recall the source, but I do say that it should be effective in the hands of a good litigant. Casting doubt on the method of collecting evidence is totally valid. Just ask the O.J. dream team. ~Tom Clark >>Richard, >> >>Where are these requirements listed? Cite please. >> >They are listed in several court cases, mainly that they have prove the >prima facie case, I have several unpublished cases that explain the issues >on prima facie case, I would look up prima facie case in your state, then >look up radar, then look up under constitutional law, the phrase "elements >of the crime or every element" this should put you in good postition. > >Richard > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 24 12:01:12 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA03640; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:42:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA12269 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:57:15 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA12259 for libertylaw; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:57:10 -0400 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12257 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:57:08 -0400 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14533 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 96 14:04:04 -0400 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08446; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:01:01 PDT Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <326FAEDB@msgate2>; Thu, 24 Oct 96 11:00:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Deja Vu Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 10:59:00 PDT Message-Id: <326FAEDB@msgate2> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e3c1d89620f9cfc13aa5b87ea1d5ac12 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Watched some of "Helter-Skelter" last night. I guess I never paid much attention to it before. "Charlie" initially pleaded his own case. He stated that there wasn't a lawyer in the country who could defend him as a "person". He had the first Judge "dismiss" himself for "prejudice". He apparently knew something of the law. He also was using Biblical prophecy to explain his actions. Makes one think. Lyle Charles Iver