From ???@??? Tue May 28 14:58:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26140 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20753 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:41:41 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA20749 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:41:37 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08801 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:40:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA25881 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 28 May 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05965; Tue, 28 May 96 14:19:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AB678B@msgate>; Tue, 28 May 96 13:52:27 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Corporations Date: Tue, 28 May 96 14:22:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AB678B@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= An interesting, although lengthy, snippet on "corporations". It would seem that you have missed a few "points of fact". First your explanation of Directors, Board Members, and Shareholders, leave no recourse for us, the customer. We are not Shareholders of any public or semi-public, de facto or de jure, corporation. Government corporations do not operate in the best interest of we the customer (the People). You seem to be confusing our inalienable right to contract with being forced to participate in government corporate activities. You state: >"Members of certain public corporations, such as >municipalities, may not decline obligations imposed upon >them by the municipality." A "member" may not, but a "customer" certainly can. This is where the worm turns. By signing any "contract" to do business with any "government de jure or de facto corporation, or municipality, you are "deemed" a member/shareholder and SUBJECT to any OBLIGATION deemed necessary. This is, IMO, the big lie. >As far as federal debts go, if corporations do provide an individual >"shareholder" protection for individual liability that an association >does not provide, wouldn't you want that protection? (I am not really >up on the tax thing, my field of interest is land rights.) The "Shareholder" you are referring to, has all the protection they need. You are speaking of, from your own definitions, members of Congress, and/or local State congressional members, or county or city council members. Where is the protection for "We the People"? If we were Shareholders of a corporation like say the TVA, Tennessee Valley Authority, we would deserve dividends, and not be forced to pay for "public services". We buy services from TVA, PG&E here where I live, but we are by no means "Shareholders". We are not any part of the body "corporate". But we are certainly treated like we are, as we can not deny any "obligations" as put forth by them, and enacted upon we the People, by our esteemed (sic) legislators. "Public utilities" are just one of the many hidden contracts that supposedly make us "Shareholders" and SUBJECT to jurisdiction. At least, that's how "they" look at it. Lyle myhr@ulinear.com From ???@??? Thu May 30 14:33:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19795 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA07294 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:22:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07290 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:22:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03996 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:20:58 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA12656 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:14:27 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13741; Thu, 30 May 96 11:07:22 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31ADDD27@msgate>; Thu, 30 May 96 10:38:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thu, 30 May 96 11:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <31ADDD27@msgate> Encoding: 120 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Lyle here, Will forward this to my sister in Helena. See if she can get it processed. ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thursday, May 30, 1996 9:39AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:32:08 -0700 >>To: "John Burr" >>From: Paul Andrew Mitchell >>Subject: Petition for TRO >> >>Will _somebody_ please fill in the one blank >>and file this in Superior Court in Montana >>IMMEDIATELY! >> >>Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >>Counselor at Law and federal witness >>c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 >>Tucson, Arizona state >>zip code exempt >>phone (520) 323-3921 >>fax: (520) 323-3922 >> >>Under Protest and By Special Visitation >> >> >> >> SUPERIOR COURT OF MONTANA state >> >> IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF ___________ >> >> >> >>People of the United States of America Case No. ___________________ >> ex relatione Paul Andrew Mitchell, >> Citizen of one of the United States, PETITION FOR TEMPORARY >> RESTRAINING ORDER >> Petitioner >> >> v. >> >>United States, et al., >> >> Respondent >> >>________________________________/ >> >>COME NOW the People of the United States of America, >>ex relatione Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Citizen of >>Arizona state (hereinafter "Petitioners") to Petition this >>honorable Superior Court for an immediate Temporary >>Restraining Order restraining all officers, agents, and >>employees of the United States from using lethal force >>in its pending negotiations with the so-called "Freemen >>of Montana" at Justus Township now situated within the >>geographical venue of this Court. The recent federal >>court order removing the news media from the area >>constitutes probable cause to believe that bloodshed >>is imminent, and therefore the doctrine of necessity >>now controls in this situation, in order to guarantee >>the objectives of the Preamble and the Declaration of >>Independence. >> >>Executed on May 30, 1996 >> >>/s/ Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >>Counselor at Law and federal witness >>Citizen of Arizona state >>all rights reserved without prejudice >> >> >>Good cause having been demonstrated for same, >> >>IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that all officers, agents and >>employees of the United States now situated within >>the geographical venue of this Court are hereby >>restrained from using any lethal force in their >>ongoing negotiations with inhabitants of Justus >>Township, until further notice. The Clerk will >>serve this Order upon the nearest office of the >>Federal Bureau of Investigation with all >>deliberate speed. >> >> >>Dated: ____________________________ >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________ >>Judge of the Superior Court >>state of Montana >> >> >>Please complete the appropriate Proofs of Service >>and fax me the completed documents for my >>signature and to fax back to you asap. My >>fax number is (602) 323-3922. Thanks! >> > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Thu May 30 17:36:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19774 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 17:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19617 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:19:31 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA19613 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 16:19:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29279 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 15:40:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA26499 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 30 May 1996 15:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25452; Thu, 30 May 96 15:33:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AE1B7D@msgate>; Thu, 30 May 96 15:04:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Freemen update Date: Thu, 30 May 96 15:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AE1B7D@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= UPDATE: 2:46pm (3:46pm Montana time) I have faxed the updated document to my sister in Helena. I reformatted it, and spell checked it. As long as the cites are correct, it looks good. She will hand carry to the Superior Court in Helena and file the papers today. God speed. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: John Burr; libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Thursday, May 30, 1996 1:22PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I am petitioning Supreme Court at this moment; Tucson media have been faxed; hopefully, they will put on the AP and UP wire. AG and Solicitor General have been served via first class U.S. Mail. The text of the Petition will be printed in newspapers all over the country by tomorrow morning. WE MUST INVOKE COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT'S JUDICIAL POWER, so U.S. SUPREME COURT CAN DEFER TO STATE ON THIS ONE. PER LOPEZ. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT BOTH ACTIONS BE FILED AT SAME TIME. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HELP IN ANY WAY THEY CAN. START BOMBARDING GARFIELD COUNTY OFFICIALS, INCLUDING SHERIFF, CORONER, CLERK, RECORDER, ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY YOU CAN POSSIBLY THINK OF. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE BANKS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO GRIND PEOPLE INTO HAMBURGER OVER THEIR UNPERFECTED LIENS AGAINST AMERICA. WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN? NO! From ???@??? Fri May 31 16:04:35 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14089 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 16:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA21385 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:51:43 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21381 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:51:40 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA15054 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:50:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA17815 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11225; Fri, 31 May 96 15:39:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF6E54@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 15:10:28 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Concurrent Jurisdiction - California Date: Fri, 31 May 96 15:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF6E54@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Great post from Marcia A. Snipped due to page limit of my sender. My comment about her post is this..... There is a MAJOR GOTCHA in her post as to how things are being carried out in D.C. The Supreme court, and/or Attorney General, has ruled that ASSUMING the President is acting as an AGENT of CONGRESS AND Congress KNOWINGLY ACQUIESCES to his actions however blatantly unconstitutional they may be.... THEN the actions are OK. Cold and calculated theft of RIGHTS, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY. All carried out by an ASSUMED agent of Congress. Lyle From ???@??? Fri May 31 17:56:49 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03615 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27939; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:50:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA26598; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:44:21 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17505; Fri, 31 May 96 17:36:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF89B9@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 17:07:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Fri, 31 May 96 17:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF89B9@msgate> Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It would be useful to know *who* called. IMO, any form of legal (lawful) action that we can take to HELP them, should not put them in jeopardy. Unless it scares the bad-guys into acting before legal recourse can be achieved. Either way, it's got to be tried. Because they will balk at legal recourse anyway. The only awkwardness I can see from your attempt is that "The Doctrine of necessity" is precisely what "they" have been relying on all along to do their dirty work. BTW, my sister (in Helena) reports that *supposedly* the media has not been totally removed from the scene only moved back. They can still *supposedly* see the Freemen house. My home Email is 71552.2725@compuserve.com for those interested. My personal feelings as to the safety of the Freemen.... I would STRONGLY urge MOM to bivouac on private property as close as possible to the scene. Get the permission from whomever you can to set up camp. The only thing that will save them is public scrutiny. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I just got a very hostile phone call from someone who accused me of risking the lives of the Freemen of Montana by filing a Petition for Temporary Restraining Order with Garfield County District Court specifically because I used the phrase "doctrine of necessity" as one reason to justify the granting the TRO. Any comments? Does anybody else feel that I have risked their lives by requesting an order restraining the use of lethal force by federal agents, officers, and employees? Comments here will be most appreciated. =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Fri May 31 18:07:20 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06637 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA24343 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:52:10 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24327 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:52:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27939; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:50:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA26598; Fri, 31 May 1996 17:44:21 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17505; Fri, 31 May 96 17:36:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31AF89B9@msgate>; Fri, 31 May 96 17:07:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Petition for TRO Date: Fri, 31 May 96 17:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31AF89B9@msgate> Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= It would be useful to know *who* called. IMO, any form of legal (lawful) action that we can take to HELP them, should not put them in jeopardy. Unless it scares the bad-guys into acting before legal recourse can be achieved. Either way, it's got to be tried. Because they will balk at legal recourse anyway. The only awkwardness I can see from your attempt is that "The Doctrine of necessity" is precisely what "they" have been relying on all along to do their dirty work. BTW, my sister (in Helena) reports that *supposedly* the media has not been totally removed from the scene only moved back. They can still *supposedly* see the Freemen house. My home Email is 71552.2725@compuserve.com for those interested. My personal feelings as to the safety of the Freemen.... I would STRONGLY urge MOM to bivouac on private property as close as possible to the scene. Get the permission from whomever you can to set up camp. The only thing that will save them is public scrutiny. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I just got a very hostile phone call from someone who accused me of risking the lives of the Freemen of Montana by filing a Petition for Temporary Restraining Order with Garfield County District Court specifically because I used the phrase "doctrine of necessity" as one reason to justify the granting the TRO. Any comments? Does anybody else feel that I have risked their lives by requesting an order restraining the use of lethal force by federal agents, officers, and employees? Comments here will be most appreciated. =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 12:43:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23890 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00543 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:52:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00539 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:52:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09105 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:51:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA21926 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:34:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09604; Mon, 3 Jun 96 11:29:13 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B32EF4@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 11:29:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. Congresscriminals Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 11:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B32EF4@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I like the idea. Take out the leaders, and the mice will quiet down. Of course, this is the same tactic they will be using against us. Our only benifit, is in numbers, so we will need to have MANY leaders. Count me as one. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counsellors, John DiNardo is working on a project to find Constitutionalist email addresses in each Congressional district. The idea is to emplace a legal force in each Congressional, with the support needed to uphold it, to go after Congressmen for perjury of oath of office whenever they introduce and get through Congress an illegal bill. Question: Do Congressmen hold any immunity for their legislative enactments? If they don't then I think the best strategy is to concentrate on sponsors. I think it would be easier to show intent & also if you target a majority of Congressmen their going to stick together, but if you pick off one or two at a time the nature of these wolves lead me to believe that we might be able to pull this off. For instance, say we file a suit against Charles "the Scum" Skummer for sponsoring a bill in direct contradiction to the very Constitution he took an oath to uphold. Lot's of Republicans don't like Skummer or his legislation, so they just might let him burn. Any comments? ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 15:23:14 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12555 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08764 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:22:08 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08748 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:21:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23727 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:20:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA03001 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14821; Mon, 3 Jun 96 14:05:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B3537B@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 14:04:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Service Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 14:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B3537B@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Q2: We've served the sheriff already, but my question is that since it is >merely a notice, is the person serving the notice entitled to the same >immunities as a summons server? Since it is just NOTICE, I would think that there would be no available repurcussions to the servers. >Q3: When I tried to serve the magistrate he wouldn't come out of his >chambers, and the clerks wouldn't let me in. Is this an obstruction of >justice? Would it be if it were a summons? He is like a rat in a hole, in his chambers. Serve him at HOME. AFA the clerks, you might try obstruction, but since they may well have been in federal/state territory it might fall on deaf ears. For the Magistrate, it might come to evading, or unlawful flight. Just my opinions. Lyle ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 17:46:40 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11377 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA15050 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:22:42 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA15046 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:22:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04495 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:21:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA11143 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18939; Mon, 3 Jun 96 15:42:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B36A34@msgate>; Mon, 03 Jun 96 15:41:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 15:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B36A34@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Like Max says, the People must be able to act on the oaths or they mean >nothing. > >As far as legislating for the United States or the united States of America. >I agree with your comments. I say, though, we can expose the charade by >making them use the defense, "Hey, I was merely legislating for the >territories not the States." The courts may try to throw the case out as >being frivolous...well, then I say just incorporate that judge into the case >and move for a de novo hearing. > >~Tom Clark > >>>>>> >I agree with you Tom...we can incorporate the judge and run it up the system >by Notice of Refusal for Fraud...that is if put "Incorporated" in front of >the case number on the suit, then only a Federal Superior Court Judge can >dismiss the case. The District and lower courts can not. I believe that they >would not even touch it...and it would become a Supreme Court case by default. > Not only that..there is no precedence or statutes for "perjury of oath", and >since it is a new "entity", it would most likely be heard by the Supreme >Court. If we do it right the case can not be dismissed without the dismissee >getting sucked into it. It may work. > >Yours in Liberty >John Edward: Burr, sui juris Since the people in question have taken this "oath of honor" at our bequest they must be accountable for their oath. The exact crime would not be "perjury of oath". It would be TREASON. As their direct/indirect action/inaction would be "contributing" to the overthrowing of our established Republic. Most people don't even think of treason in regard to our elected officials. Treason is not a crime that is "limited" to times of war. Its penalty during times of war is death, that does not limit its action to times of war. Treason can just as easily be accomplished in times of "so-called" peace, maybe even easier. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:36:54 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19490 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07555 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:29:24 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07551 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:29:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21967; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:27:43 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA04314; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:18:14 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13627; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:16:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B46F29@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:15:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B46F29@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon wrote: >At 15:45 96/06/03 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>It would be TREASON. As their direct/indirect action/inaction would be >>"contributing" to the overthrowing of our established Republic. >> >>Most people don't even think of treason in regard to our elected officials. >>Treason is not a crime that is "limited" to times of war. > >Originally, "treason" had the broader meaning you suggest, but the Framers >restricted the definition, precisely to disallow prosecution for "political" >crimes: > >Art. III Sec. 2 - "Treason against the United States shall consist only of >levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid >and Comfort." Another English dropout? Please re-read this section. The first part of the sentence implies what you are saying. However, at the COMMA, there is the word OR. This implies a SECOND (or more) set of conditions by which to judge treason. ....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. You do not have to be in a formally declared war to have enemies. Remember Vietnam? It was never a formally declared war. In fact most of our recent excursions have not been formally declared, by Congress, as war. And what about the "Cold War?" We certainly had/have a very visible enemy in that one. Your interpretation, through the incorrect usage of grammatical punctuation, is precisely why nobody can read the Second Amendment and understand what it means. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:03 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07390 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09281 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:08:00 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09277 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:07:56 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26140 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:06:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA08015 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15344; Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:03:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B47A53@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 11:02:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 11:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B47A53@msgate> Encoding: 46 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I for one would like to see some real independent action. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 10:31AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counsellors, My efforts in promoting an Independent Grand Jury (especially as a interceding measure for the Freemen of Justus Township) has been met with some heavy opposition in this medium. I ask that you reconsider the proposal with these clarifications: 1. The Independant Grand Jury will simply ask both sides to testify. 2. The Independant Grand Jury will attempt every sort of action to get the established courts to accept complaints made by the IGJ; to be prosecuted by whoever the IGJ appoints. 3. Once the case is established the prosecutor can come on-line for assistance on the case, if he needs it. 4. The IGJ should hear only Federal Issues. Whether or not the IGJ meets with your approval as a bona-fide Grand Jury or not, is not any body entitled to hear evidence and file a complaint based on that evidence on behalf of the People? Is not this same body entitled to appoint the prosecutor of their choice, as long as the prosecution decides to take the case? Your support is desperately needed. Even if you are just giving your stamp of approval (that is putting your name out there) that this effort deserves the support of the People. If we can incorporate the above in the IGJ plan, can I get your permission to put your name on the plan? ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:08 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25856 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14068 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:08:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14037 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:08:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03481 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:06:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA12537 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18212; Tue, 4 Jun 96 12:01:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B487EF@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 12:01:03 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Why take an Oath? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 12:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B487EF@msgate> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Or should I say, What is an oath of office, and why most public officials must take them? In days of old, a mans word was his bond. As was his signature. As we have all noticed over the years both signs of integrity have been sorely abused and even compromised. When a member of a society takes public office, they do so at the bequest of their peers. Remember, we are all equal. In order to remain accountable for their actions, and to the peers that elected them, they are required to swear an oath. This oath is affirmation of the task to which they have been elected, such as, ...to uphold the Constitution. It maters not whether the oath was verbal, written, or both. Once broken their bond is void. They no longer hold the esteem of their peers and can no longer function on their behalf. An oath, as a signature, means everything to a Man, or Woman in todays "unequal" times. This must be the cornerstone of all litigation when in pursuit of elected officials. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17962 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19038 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:09:07 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19020 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:08:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17813; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:07:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA20803; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:04:18 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23517; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:58:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4A341@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 13:57:37 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:02:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4A341@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon writes: >At 10:19 96/06/04 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. >> >>This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. > >Of course. I did not say it applied only to wartime activities. However, >from the writings and debates of the Framers, it is clear that they meant >foreign enemies, not domestic ones. I would like to be able to interpret >this to include domestic enemies, too, but they intended specifically to >exclude that. > >That is why the leaders of the Southern states were not prosecuted for >treason following the Civil War. They were not foreign enemies. I'm afraid you're way off base on this one. There is no other way to interpret that section of the Constitution. I believe that when *they* take their oath that they specifically state "to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic." I know the Prez does. Can you give relevant cites from the original framers as to their intent? Even they, the framers, knew that there were domestic enemies. Of course most of them were considered to be agents of the King and therefore NOT citizens. I believe the were referred to as Esquires. (;-)) AFA the Southern states being prosecuted for treason. What a hoot! It was the Northern states who were guilty of treason. The Southerners just happened to lose the battle, the war isn't over yet. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16362 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA19846 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:39:08 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19842 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:39:04 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21790; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:37:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA23047; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:35:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25926; Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:26:27 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4A9CF@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:25:35 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 14:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4A9CF@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Jon, you wrote: >At 08:35 96/06/04 U, John Burr wrote: >>in Blacks Law Dict. Person is >>defined as Corporation, Partnership, etc. ie. paper entities and not real >>Citizens or People. > >That is not quite correct. A "person" is any entity that can be the subject >of due process. It includes natural human individuals, and also corporate >entities consisting of aggregates of human individuals, treated under law as >though they were a single individual, as a matter of law and convenience. Jon, It sounds as though you are basing your definitions on "commonly held" principles of "modern jurisprudence." From research you can find that nowhere in any definition are persons ever referred to as men, women, or children. Only person(s), or individuals. Don't you find that curiously odd? In your explanation you also do not refer to men, women, or children. You now consider a person to be an entity. What is an entity? Where did you get your definition of entity? If men, women, or children are the object of, or subject of any law, why doesn't it clearly state such? In tax laws, for example, a person is a corporate entity. Can the definition of person be different for other laws? I think not. And I believe the Supreme Court would agree with me, reference the Hooven case and the definition of what "United States" means. A person is corporate chattel. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:37:53 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29711 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23490 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:48:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23481 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:48:30 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01483; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:46:59 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA29317; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:44:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01230; Tue, 4 Jun 96 15:40:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4BB11@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 15:39:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: What is Treason? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 15:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4BB11@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I had to respond to this again after thinking more about it. The offense of Treason can only be applied to domestic enemies. That is the whole concept of treason....aiding and abetting ones enemies. So to be charged with treason it is to be assumed that you *were* considered to be a citizen of good standing until your true motives were uncovered. There is no reason to charge an enemy with treason, as they are in actuality waging war. Their act, unto themselves and their brethren is not treasonous, it is war against an enemy. So again, to be treasonous, you must have changed sides without knowledge of that given to your original brethren. So you would be held in high regard by them and capable of doing great harm from within. Treason is solely for domestic use. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris >At 10:19 96/06/04 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>....OR adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. >> >>This can easily be construed to mean NON-WAR-TIME activities. > >Of course. I did not say it applied only to wartime activities. However, >from the writings and debates of the Framers, it is clear that they meant >foreign enemies, not domestic ones. I would like to be able to interpret >this to include domestic enemies, too, but they intended specifically to >exclude that. > >That is why the leaders of the Southern states were not prosecuted for >treason following the Civil War. They were not foreign enemies. From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:17 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16120 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25639 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25630 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:13 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07997; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:36:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA03093; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03512; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:26:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4C5E3@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:25:23 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: John Burr Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4C5E3@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >From: Bryce A. Burr wrote>>> > >John, > >What is your take on the Freemen situation. Are they as Charles Duke >says, just a group of criminals hiding behind laws that they don't even >abide by, or are they doing the right thing, or does anyone even know? >In any event they still shouldn't be executed without, DUE PROCESS OF >LAW!! Write me back and let me know what the consensus amoung your group > of friends. > >Bryce Anthony; Burr >Real Estate Guru Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:09 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09761 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25629 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25620 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:38:08 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07993; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:36:37 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA03096; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:34:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03799; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:32:37 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4C75E@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:31:42 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:35:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4C75E@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Your error is in equating violation of the oath of office with "treason". >They are not the same thing. An oath violation is a criminal common law >felony, and a statutory felony in every state, subject to the constitutional >defects of some states in not authorizing power to their state legislatures >to impose penalties for oath violations. It is treason if the "violation" usurps power from the people and gives it to someone else. If the "violation" steals rights and or property. You, Sir, are taking the "violation" of ones oath VERY lightly. An oath of office is to be held in the highest esteem. Not something that will only get you a slap on the hand if it is VIOLATED. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 23:38:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10370 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26317 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:58:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26313 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:58:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10314; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:56:54 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA04370; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:54:12 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04912; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:46:17 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B4CA92@msgate>; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:45:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:50:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B4CA92@msgate> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >That is essentially correct, except that the Framers restricted the >definition to require that the citizen either make war, or aid a foreign >enemy (not necessarily during an active war). > >Of course we are left with the definition of what constitutes "making war", >but it is clear the Framers did not intend it to include making legislative, >judicial, or executive decisions. An element of physical violence must be >involved. And you conveniently left out the second portion...OR aid a foreign enemy. What then constitutes AID? Aiding a foreign enemy is not necessarily going to involve violence. It might be something as mundane as passing a law. Like making it illegal to own gold. Making it illegal to own a gun. Making it illegal to defend yourself. I could go on you know. You have lost your arguement. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:35 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06632 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23963; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22944; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21514; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BDFB@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:03:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BDFB@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP >>news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the >>Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the >>Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. >> >>He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. >>He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. >>There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and >>elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise >>do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. > >DUE PROCESS works in two directions. >Both sides have a chance to point fingers. >Clean hands are rare in most court cases. I understand that. I'm just relaying a story from AP. My sister is sending the actual clip, so I can give a better account. I'm all for DUE PROCESS. That's what this is all about. Many of us in the Militia are divided over whether or not we agree with what they have done. We do, however, all agree on the NEED for due process. NO MORE WACO's. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:32 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26205 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31519 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA31501 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:37 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23963; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22944; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21514; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BDFB@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:03:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Freemen of Montana Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BDFB@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Talked with my sister in Helena last night. She told me about an AP >>news article from Salt Lake City in which the FOUNDER of the >>Freemen Institute has stated that he does not condone what the >>Justus Township people are doing. They have corrupted his creed. >> >>He founded the movement and institute in 1972, he is now in his 80's. >>He does state, however, that he does not want to see them killed. >>There is also a much wider movement of Freemen in Montana and >>elsewhere, who are more in line with the original thinking, and likewise >>do not support the people of Justus Township for their actions. > >DUE PROCESS works in two directions. >Both sides have a chance to point fingers. >Clean hands are rare in most court cases. I understand that. I'm just relaying a story from AP. My sister is sending the actual clip, so I can give a better account. I'm all for DUE PROCESS. That's what this is all about. Many of us in the Militia are divided over whether or not we agree with what they have done. We do, however, all agree on the NEED for due process. NO MORE WACO's. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:17 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11736 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:30:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31500 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA31491 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:18:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23948; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:17:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA22948; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21656; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:11:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5BF70@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:10:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: gdoty Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5BF70@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >So far, so good. I think you both are missing part of the picture. Who IS >the enemy? Many might argue that the enemy is the international bankers aka >Federal Reserve, or the UN, or a host of others. May I suggest reading the >Trading With The Enemy Act. I think it refers to *We the People* as the enemy. >Greg Been there, done that. Try and get NON-believers to go there and read the writing on the wall. In the eyes of our government lead by such true visionaries as Woodrow Wilson, adn Franklin D Roosevelt (a Federal Reserve Banker) we are the enemy. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:43 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19556 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:57:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA32280 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:48:37 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA32273 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:48:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27906; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:47:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25555; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:44:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22544; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:35:57 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5C527@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:34:31 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: What is Treason? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5C527@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >The Framers were in a hurry to finish the document. They were hot, tired, >and wanted to keep it short, in part for the practical reason of holding >down the cost of printing copies of it during a period when newsprint was >expensive. But whatever the reason, they did what they did and we have to >work with that. Even if we don't like it. That is what it means to be a true >constitutionalist. You shouldn't stretch so far, you'll hurt yourself. >In the final analysis, we are not going to win by suing or prosecuting >officials for violating their oaths. We are going to win by getting the >general public to reject them for doing so, at the ballot box and in the >jury box. None of this will happen without the enlightened support of the >people. There are no easy solutions here. If you feel that GETTING THE PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE is the answer you are one misinformed dude. The media OWNS the vote. They control the count 100%. This has been PROVEN in this last election year. I don't know if I still have the post I'll search at home. I believe it was from Dan Druck. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris > >--Jon From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:55:56 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01501 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:50:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00648 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:08:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00638 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:08:21 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00798; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:06:51 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27036; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23146; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:58:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5CA72@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 10:57:06 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 11:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5CA72@msgate> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >I do not take it lightly. If I did I wouldn't be involved in the >constitutionalist movement, and I wouldn't have launched the national >militia movement in the way that I did. The problem is that the Framers >neglected to include in Art. I Sec. 8 a power "to define the punishment for >violation of oaths (of office)". (The "of office" could be omitted to >include the violation of other kinds of oaths.) They relied on people to >have the "fear of God" and the loss of their reputations. They failed to >anticipate that in times to come the people would vote for oathbreakers if >those oathbreakers promised to further their economic interests. You single handedly launched the national militia movement! Wow! Glad to know you. At last we all know who gave us the vision and fortitude to band together in our Militias. I'm sure all of my militia friends will get quite a thrill out of reading your post. You give yourself FAR TOO MUCH credit my friend. I am a co-founder of our local Militia, we've been together for a few years now, and have NEVER heard of you. I hope that you learn from experience, and quit misleading true patriots. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris Santa Clara County Militia (co-founder) From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:12 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04786 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11400 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:38:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11396 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:38:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26343; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:37:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA13188; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01838; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:30:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B5FC00@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:28:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Wethepeople vs. C Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:34:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5FC00@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >> >>You single handedly launched the national militia movement! > >I didn't say I did it single-handedly. What I did was issue a national >call-up to activate militias everywhere back in March, 1994, We beat you by more than a year here in California. Get informed. There is NO REAL national movement. Only localized groups who are loosely joined to brother and sister units in other states. I have been involved since the fall of 1992. That is when I coined the phrase "The Sleeping Giant" in reference to the silent majority and the militias. There is now a quasi-national group that goes by that name. Everything is always bigger in Texas. Lyle From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 10:56:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21293 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:37:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA16794 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:16:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA16790 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:16:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00893; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:17:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA16054; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03632; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:05:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B60442@msgate>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:03:46 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Independent Grand Jury Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:09:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B60442@msgate> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>RESPONSE >>Your response is weak on the "like-minded individuals". When a Grand Jury >>is seated don't they swear in to uphold the Constitution? Are then they NOT >>"like-minded"? What if they all liked the color blue? Can they then be >>disqualified? > >A better term might be "biased" or "partial". In other words, not >representative of the population of the jurisdiction. Now, granted, chosing >from a pool of registered voters or persons with drivers licenses is not >quite representative, but it avoids most kinds of potential bias. Lyle interupts>>> Selection from a "pool" of people with DL's who happen to be registered voters does not in any way form a "representative" body of jurors. And in NO WAY will it ensure the lack of "potential bias." >Nevertheless, the Independent Grand Jury plan I have been >advocating gives public notice that a committee is forming to got to >Billings to possibly seat a GJ. Anyone willing to take the oath to uphold >the Constitution and has been appointed by ten others may go? This does not >preclude opponents to forming a GJ, let alone people of dissimilar attitudes >towards the Feds or Patriot Movement. >To prepare them for a favorable outcome, you will need to educate the >entire population of the jurisdiction, through flyers, public meetings, >letters to the editor, talk radio appearances, advertisements, and other >such methods. Lyle bursting Jon's bubble>>> Sorry Jon. But it is now illegal to do what you suggest in Montana. It is called "Criminal syndicalism." Please quit trying to impress us with your lack of knowledge. From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 11:16:57 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23326 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:28:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16982 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:08:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16967 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:08:12 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27281 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:06:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA13872 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29338; Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:51:30 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B71A23@msgate>; Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:49:23 PDT X-UIDL: 834170017.052 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:52:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B71A23@msgate> Encoding: 43 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I agree. If a law can be termed "void" if repugnant to the Constitution, so should a decision. Lyle Charles Iver, Jr' of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) Date: Thursday, June 06, 1996 9:32AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Any comments on Mr. Silver's suggestion? ~Tom Clark >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT) >From: Steven Silver >To: roc@xmission.com >cc: restore our constitution , > against constitutional terrorist >Subject: Re: notes on RKBA and 2nd Amendment (fwd) >Sender: owner-roc@xmission.com >Reply-To: roc@xmission.com > >Dan Schultz and I have done a little research of late re: the SC's >authority to invalidate a right through decisions. What's interesting is, >the SC stated in Marbury v. Madison that any law repugnant to the >Constitution is void because the Constition is the supreme law of the >land. However, the Court failed to take it a step further and examine the >effect of a judicial decision which is repugnant to the Constitution. I >woudl suggest that, just as an unconstitutional law is voide, so it an >unconstitutional decision. Thus, Dred Scott and Plessy Ferguson were >void rulings; it just took the Court several years to figure it out. >Steve Silver > From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 19:33:31 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15966 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19408 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:12:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA19402 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:12:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08095 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:11:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA19061 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:04:28 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07621; Fri, 7 Jun 96 17:00:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31B8C203@msgate>; Fri, 07 Jun 96 16:57:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: California bank Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B8C203@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I have an account at CityBank. A normal one. I went in one day and simply asked one of the tellers about opening an account with a W-8. Her only question was IF I was going to get an SSN some day. To which I replied no I'm not. It didn't appear that it would be a problem to open an account there with the W-8. I'm going to move in about a year, so I'm not in a big hurry to change my account here. When I move I'll open my new account(s) with W-8's. Don't take any BULLSHIT from those people, you don't have too! But try the NICE approach first. Lyle ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: California bank Date: Friday, June 07, 1996 1:09PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I hope this isn't to off-subject, but could someone recommend a non-FDIC bank in Southern California, or one that doesn't make a fuss about no SSN? Thanks Regards, Dan ================================= None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 1749-1832 ************************************* "I know my facts are right. I heard it on NBC." - the general populace ************************************* "Peace is the surest way to socialism." - V. Lenin ************************************* "I care not who makes a nation's laws so long as I can control its money" - Lord Rothschild From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 11:57:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18412 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27954 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:23:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA27950 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:23:16 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05653; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:20:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12270; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:14:18 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22978; Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:09:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC55BB@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:04:59 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Freemen Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC55BB@msgate> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Received interesting Newspaper articles from my sister in Helena. Will summarize and post tomorrow. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:50:29 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01131 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA29163 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:23:50 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA29159 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:23:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13626 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:21:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA17002 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:14:31 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24986; Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:06:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC6302@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:01:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: IRS Admin Hearing Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC6302@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I have sent them, via "registered return receipt" an "Order and Demand to Show Cause." With my points specified, and summarized with "Order and Demand for Administrative Hearing and Investigation." I haven't heard back from them yet. But I did get my receipt. I also got my employers attention with the same procedure. i.e. "Order and Demand." My employer is no longer "Withholding taxes". (Federal or State). They are still withholding for SSA and medicare/disability. They forwarded my Docs to the IRS, for them to answer my questions. This is something my employer steadfastly refused to do for the last year. They did NOT REFUSE my "Order and Demand." You might even want to try just calling them, and requesting a hearing over the phone. (But talk to someone important) The person (imbecile woman, no offense intended to the "Ladies" on the list) with whom I talk with here in San Joses' office was very obstinate, and admitted to not ever having read the code. I wasn't surprised. If you would like, I could send you copies of my Docs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: Liberty Law List Subject: LLAW: IRS Admin Hearing Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 9:50AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I'm getting 'bills' from the IRS (and threats) and I've heard that requesting an Administrative hearing was probably the best way to get this thing resolved. I've done the normal refusal letters, proof of jurisdiction, I earn no taxable 'income', etc. all of which have gone completely ignored (what a shock). Does anyone know the best way to demand a hearing, and what questions should be put to them while I have their attention? Thanks. -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:06:47 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04792 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11508 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:40:18 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA27045 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:34:49 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03630; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:22:42 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC82EA@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:17:46 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Email editor Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:26:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC82EA@msgate> Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sign me up! Will do what ever I can, financially and other. Request that the list is asked to help AFA airfare etc. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:40:06 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26522 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:12:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14810; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:11:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29586; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:04:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04513; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:55:19 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC8A8D@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:50:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: re: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:59:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC8A8D@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, The faxes were VERY interesting reading. I noted that the Judge wants "U.S. Dollars." Further he specifically stipulates that "Freemen Checks" ....OR OTHER LIKE TENDER will NOT be acceptable. You MUST ASK SPECIFICALLY IF FRN's are acceptable tender. If they are NOT this is admissible PROOF of some of the Freemens claims being true. Further when the clerk sent your Docs back to you, she doesn't just leave it at saying you have to pay. She states they are being returned because you must file it in Supreme Court!!! Fax number four. Or is this for a SECOND set of Documents? What gives? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:29:10 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15110 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:24:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA32199 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:39 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA32193 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:13:35 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14810; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:11:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29586; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:04:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04513; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:55:19 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC8A8D@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:50:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: re: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:59:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC8A8D@msgate> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul, The faxes were VERY interesting reading. I noted that the Judge wants "U.S. Dollars." Further he specifically stipulates that "Freemen Checks" ....OR OTHER LIKE TENDER will NOT be acceptable. You MUST ASK SPECIFICALLY IF FRN's are acceptable tender. If they are NOT this is admissible PROOF of some of the Freemens claims being true. Further when the clerk sent your Docs back to you, she doesn't just leave it at saying you have to pay. She states they are being returned because you must file it in Supreme Court!!! Fax number four. Or is this for a SECOND set of Documents? What gives? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 14:45:49 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26436 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19183; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:40:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA01884; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05194; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:20:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC907C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:15:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Charles Marcus , Liberty Law Subject: W-4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC907C@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi Paul, I too, have the Vultures book and was greatly enlightened by it. BUT, I agree with "Sir" Charles 100%. Don't go off half cocked. I did, and lost $500. I may recover it though. If/when I get an administrative hearing. It has taken me over a year to get my employer on my side. My original docs, virtually copied from Vultures, all were dismissed as frivolous. Then I really started to do research and ultimately came up with my two documents which are now "apparently" working. It has been only one month so far, but NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS when dealing with the IRS. My biggest accomplishment, IMHO, was in getting my employer to write the kind of letter that Charles suggests ON THEIR OWN. They had previously flatly refused to even entertain the idea. I FORCED THEM, nicely, to pay attention to my request. Further, I told them in no uncertain terms, that I had NO TAXABLE STATUS, and was a NON-TAXPAYER until my questions were answered. I also informed them that I was "withdrawing my VOLUNTARY participation" in these government programs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06832 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA00064 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:39:43 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00060 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:39:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19183; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:40:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA01884; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05194; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:20:39 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC907C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:15:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Charles Marcus , Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: W-4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC907C@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Hi Paul, I too, have the Vultures book and was greatly enlightened by it. BUT, I agree with "Sir" Charles 100%. Don't go off half cocked. I did, and lost $500. I may recover it though. If/when I get an administrative hearing. It has taken me over a year to get my employer on my side. My original docs, virtually copied from Vultures, all were dismissed as frivolous. Then I really started to do research and ultimately came up with my two documents which are now "apparently" working. It has been only one month so far, but NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS when dealing with the IRS. My biggest accomplishment, IMHO, was in getting my employer to write the kind of letter that Charles suggests ON THEIR OWN. They had previously flatly refused to even entertain the idea. I FORCED THEM, nicely, to pay attention to my request. Further, I told them in no uncertain terms, that I had NO TAXABLE STATUS, and was a NON-TAXPAYER until my questions were answered. I also informed them that I was "withdrawing my VOLUNTARY participation" in these government programs. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:15:30 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03666 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:11:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21805 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:10:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03927 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:04:42 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06577; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:58:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC995C@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:53:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: NET shorthand Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC995C@msgate> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 AFA......As far as OTOH....On the other hand BTW.....By the way IMO, IMHO......In my opinion, In my honest opinion There are many NET shorthand words out there. Some I don't know, or haven't even seen. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 15:15:32 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03704 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:12:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21850 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:10:35 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03936 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:04:45 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06630; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:00:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BC99EC@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:55:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: Freemen faxes Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:04:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BC99EC@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It's OK for now. I haven't tried printing though. But I have several programs at home that should make printing a snap. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Freemen faxes Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 2:33PM At 01:59 PM 6/10/96 PDT, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org >======================================================================= > >Paul, > >The faxes were VERY interesting reading. this transmission and compression method is working OK for you then? I think PAINT is quite uniquitous, what do you think? (ps I like "spray can" the best; cyberfiti) Fasten your seat belts AND your harnesses. This is going to be one wild ride, you can be sure of that! =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09567 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00253 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:00:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00244 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:00:34 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26413; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:58:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA07583; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:54:46 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08456; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:40:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA332@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:35:30 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA332@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= We are making progress in our action to restrain the FBI from using LETHAL FORCE in their action against the Freemen of Montana. We have filed, almost, the necessary paperwork. At first the Clerk of the court was going to waive the filing fee. The Judge, however, overruled her decision. He stated that a filing fee of $95 U.S. Dollars must be paid, and the "Plaintiff" must appear in the court, at 11am on June 19th. At which time the "points" can be argued. Problem #1. We need clarification of what $95 U.S. Dollars actually is. The Judge stated that Freemen checks, or other TENDER will not be accepted. This, IMO, means no FRN's. But also, and more importantly, it means payment in SILVER DOLLARS. Which is what SEVEN times as much money. This ADMISSION by the Judge, is PROOF of one or more of the Freemens' points. It also means "we" need to come up with some money ASAP. Please HELP. I am willing to put forth $100 right now. He is, I believe also going to need airfare, from Arizona to Montana. The PRIMARY respondent in this, is Paul Mitchell. pmitch@primenet.com I guess I am the de facto secondary. We have the faxes as transmitted from the Clerk back to Paul. From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:25 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20793 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:18:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00492 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:11:35 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00488 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:11:31 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27387; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:09:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA08244; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09530; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:01:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA832@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:56:50 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA832@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= We are making progress in our action to restrain the FBI from using LETHAL FORCE in their action against the Freemen of Montana. We have filed, almost, the necessary paperwork. At first the Clerk of the court was going to waive the filing fee. The Judge, however, overruled her decision. He stated that a filing fee of $95 U.S. Dollars must be paid, and the "Plaintiff" must appear in the court, at 11am on June 19th. At which time the "points" can be argued. Problem #1. We need clarification of what $95 U.S. Dollars actually is. The Judge stated that Freemen checks, or other TENDER will not be accepted. This, IMO, means no FRN's. But also, and more importantly, it means payment in SILVER DOLLARS. Which is what SEVEN times as much money. This ADMISSION by the Judge, is PROOF of one or more of the Freemens' points. It also means "we" need to come up with some money ASAP. Please HELP. I am willing to put forth $100 right now. He is, I believe also going to need airfare, from Arizona to Montana. The PRIMARY respondent in this, is Paul Mitchell. pmitch@primenet.com I guess I am the de facto secondary. We have the faxes as transmitted from the Clerk back to Paul. Sorry I forgot to sign my post. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:20 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18562 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:09:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27148 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:08:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA08248 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:05:15 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09685; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:04:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCA8B8@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 15:59:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: NET shorthand Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCA8B8@msgate> Encoding: 38 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 10,000!!!! Someone has too much spare time. [8-))= Goatee Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: NET shorthand Date: Monday, June 10, 1996 3:29PM At 03:01 PM 6/10/96 PDT, you wrote: > >AFA......As far as > >OTOH....On the other hand > >BTW.....By the way > >IMO, IMHO......In my opinion, In my honest opinion > >There are many NET shorthand words out there. Some >I don't know, or haven't even seen. have you seen the 10,000 emoticons? (:-))<-- beard > >Lyle > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:27 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23364 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29707 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:27:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA09484 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:24:32 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10073; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:14:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCAB3F@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:09:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Occams Razor Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCAB3F@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Is that in reference to William of Ockham, the philosopher? c.1300-1349A.D. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 18:10:31 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02302 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:43:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA01539 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01534 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:05 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01020; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:38:42 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA10150; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:35:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10640; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:29:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BCAEC0@msgate>; Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:24:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Freemen court case update Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 16:33:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BCAEC0@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul has asked the Clerk to verify whether or not they will accept a USDPMO in lieu of the $95 U.S. Dollars the Judge requested. He stated in his request that he "believes" that there are NO "U.S. Dollars" in circulation at this time. Further, because of the request to be paid in such he is paying via the USDPMO "under protest." We still have no deffinitive answer as to if they will accept the USDPMO. If they will not, it is more proof of the "conspiracy." Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 11:07:37 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00778 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19237; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:38:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09139; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:24:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDAA68@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:18:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDAA68@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Another alternative for you Paul is this. Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with Quick Link II. Everyone should then get LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Get it from mmedia@world.std.com This program lets you resize the BMP to any size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18432 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15731 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:41:25 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15719 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:41:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19237; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:38:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28775; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09139; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:24:05 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDAA68@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:18:32 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDAA68@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul, Another alternative for you Paul is this. Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with Quick Link II. Everyone should then get LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Get it from mmedia@world.std.com This program lets you resize the BMP to any size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:39 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14153 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16072 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16068 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:42 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23065; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:19:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA01917; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:14:56 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10921; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:09:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDB4F1@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:03:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDB4F1@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >The adoption of the appelation "esquire" by lawyers has no meaning. It is >just an affectation. > >--Jon Your statements however true they may be, do not apply to the mater at hand. This is how the non-believers make light of a very complex situation. You can liken it to the phrase "that was then this is now." In this context we must remove ourselves from "now" and rekindle the spirit of "then." In the beggining, lawyers WERE given titles of NOBILITY from the KING of ENGLAND. Our buddy. He started the whole shebang with his Royal Bar Association. ALL lawyers were TRAINED by other LAWYERS who were trained by the ORIGINAL LAWYERS who were LOYAL TO THE KING of ENGLAND. Our buddy. Three times our forefathers tried to ban lawyers from public office. The third time was all but forgotten due to the War of 1812. Which was fought BECAUSE of the IMPENDING PASSAGE of the TRUE 13th Amendment. It was finally passed in March of 1819. It was PUBLISHED up until 1867 (Colorado). Hmmm, when did that pesky old Civil War, The War of NORTHERN AGRESSION end? And how come the current 13th Amendment is stated to have been written in 1865? The Colorado books show it, the current 13th Amendment, as being the 14th Amendment. Also, the American Bar Association was foundedd in 1861. I'm gonna hurl! Why can't you SEE the connections? There isn't a law in this country that was written after 1819 that is valid becuase they MAY have been written or voted on by LAWYERS who should have been REMOVED from public office in March of 1819. Wasn't Lincoln a LAWYER? He should not have been President. Ever. Since the War of NORTHERN AGRESSION. The ABA has gained such widespread public support, I'm gonna hurl, that they just plain ignore the fact tha they were once LOYAL TO THE KING OF ENGLAND. Who cares! Nobody cares! I get sick every time they have a special on the BOOB-TUBE about the ROYALS of ENGLAND and what they are doing today. Who cares! They are not my idols! The facts will NEVER change. LAWYERS, even some today, are the DEMON SEED of the KING of ENGLAND. Some today are on our side, because the fact of the mater is that the damage was done so long ago that they no longer have to enlist the aid of ALL of the lawyers of the world. Use your head man! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:47 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29102 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16158 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:36 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16154 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:32 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24584 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:37:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03170 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:35 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11578; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:22:10 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDB804@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:16:36 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Militia Press Release Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDB804@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Other than with the commies...anyone know of ANY treaty or promises kept by >this government? > >kerry You saw it here first folks! The $64,000 dollar question. What TREATY has the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ever kept, except with COMMUNIST COUNTRIES? All entries must be post marked no later than 12:00pm GMT July 4th 1776. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:42 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13745 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24746; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03171; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11803; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:32:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDBA55@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:26:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDBA55@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Response follows... >At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >> >>Paul, >> >>Another alternative for you Paul is this. >> >>Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >>Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >>LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) > >Great idea. I will test first >then let you. This sounds >like just the thing. Have you >tried it yourself on a fax formatted >file? Does it require Windows? Yes it's a Windows program. Still it's shareware. A store bought program, called Photo Magic, works with either PCX or BMP, it also is Windows based. And yes I have viewed your faxes in both programs, quite clearly. > >> >>Get it from >> >>mmedia@world.std.com > >This looks like an email address, >not a WWW URL. How do I go >about getting the file; is there >an autoresponder? Please advise. > The Author can be reached at that localality. You could try doing a search (WWW) using Alta Vista or other search engine, for the "name" of the program. Lyle >> >>This program lets you resize the BMP to any >>size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. >> >>Lyle >> >> > >======================================================================>===== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >======================================================================>===== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 13:28:44 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04693 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16173 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:41:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16169 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:41:09 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24746; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03171; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:34:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11803; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:32:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDBA55@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:26:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 11:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDBA55@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Response follows... >At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >> >>Paul, >> >>Another alternative for you Paul is this. >> >>Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >>Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >>LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) > >Great idea. I will test first >then let you. This sounds >like just the thing. Have you >tried it yourself on a fax formatted >file? Does it require Windows? Yes it's a Windows program. Still it's shareware. A store bought program, called Photo Magic, works with either PCX or BMP, it also is Windows based. And yes I have viewed your faxes in both programs, quite clearly. > >> >>Get it from >> >>mmedia@world.std.com > >This looks like an email address, >not a WWW URL. How do I go >about getting the file; is there >an autoresponder? Please advise. > The Author can be reached at that localality. You could try doing a search (WWW) using Alta Vista or other search engine, for the "name" of the program. Lyle >> >>This program lets you resize the BMP to any >>size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. >> >>Lyle >> >> > >======================================================================>===== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >======================================================================>===== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 14:58:12 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19140 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14742 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:37:58 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA15984 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:34:43 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06689; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:19:59 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDE2FA@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:19:54 PDT X-UIDL: 834529700.002 From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: FW: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:23:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDE2FA@msgate> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Paul, Some people are already willing to donate. Where would you like the money sent? Lyle ---------- From: CMKennedy(CMKennedy@aol.com) To: myhr Subject: Re: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 3:53PM Lyle, We cannot contribute a lot to your cause, but if five or ten FRNs will help, please give me a snail mail address. At present, (husband out of work) we are barely feeding our children. I will, however, keep you and the others in my prayers. I'm sorry I cannot contribute more financially, but Ours is a Mighty God, and your efforts will be rewarded. Thank you and God bless you for your insightful posts. Connie From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 14:58:14 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19144 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:39:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14748 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:37:59 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA15988 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:34:48 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06925; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:29:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDE51F@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:29:03 PDT X-UIDL: 834529700.003 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:33:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDE51F@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Really? I guess my version is older than yours. You can still use Windows Paint to convert from PCX to BMP before you send them. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: File viewer Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 1:30PM At 10:27 AM 6/11/96 PDT, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org >======================================================================= > >Paul, > >Another alternative for you Paul is this. > >Convert the files to BMP instead of PCX with >Quick Link II. Everyone should then get >LViewP16.EXE (ShareWare) Quick Link II fax/modem comm software only converts .FAX files into .PCX, .DCX, TIFF (compressed) and TIFF (uncompressed). .BMP conversions are not available in the latest version from Smith Micro Software Inc. >Get it from > >mmedia@world.std.com > >This program lets you resize the BMP to any >size you want. Viewing and printing is a snap. > >Lyle > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 15:51:16 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10898 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22460 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:47:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA20623 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:44:22 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09499; Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:39:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDF59E@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:39:26 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 15:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDF59E@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Yea, I have that one too. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: File viewer Date: Tuesday, June 11, 1996 2:20PM Another one I just heard about is Paint Shop Pro, available in 16-bit version at URL http://www.jasc.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 19:06:15 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21266 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26745 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:27:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA23236 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:24:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11098; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BDFE20@msgate>; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BDFE20@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 You don't have a predisposed animosity towards them thar reptiles do ya? Lyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- NO, A lower PLANE, like a putrid swamp overpopulated with slithering reptiles. THAT KIND OF PLANE. lower =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05719 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00874 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:39:33 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00870 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:39:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09250; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:38:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14158; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:34:28 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10778; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:29:41 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BEFE5D@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:29:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BEFE5D@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >(4) Did the authors of the Missing 13th INTEND to exclude lawyers from >public office by this amendment? ABSOLUTELY! Again, you are not grasping the truth. >If so, why did they not make this intent more explicit? They were ABSOLUTELY EXPLICIT for the language OF THE TIME. >Broad language is one thing, but this is so broad that if >this was the intent, most ordinary readers of the text would miss it, and >the Constitution is supposed to be read and interpreted by ordinary people. It is broad ONLY when viewed of the language of TODAY. Because our language and heritage has become so abused by triviality we, some of you, can NO LONGER UNDERSTAND SIMPLE THINGS. >This may be a case where the text must be interpreted in a way that defeats >the intent, if it was worded so badly. The text is clear as a bell for intent. The only way it can be interpreted is a complete BAN of lawyers (Esquires) from ever serving in public office, because they have forfeited their "Citizenship." >I find the arguments that the Missing 13th would exclude lawyers from >holding public office to be unconvincing, albeit highly appealing. I'm >afraid we are going to have to accomplish that outcome the hard way, by not >voting for them. > >--Jon Only because you and others don't understand plain English anymore. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:55 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05947 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00473 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:17 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00469 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:12 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12137; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:08:17 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16381; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:04:40 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11762; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:00:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF058B@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:59:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF058B@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >Let us be fair here. The decisions made by the U.S. Congress affect people >everywhere, and the people affected by those decisions deserve to have their >interests defended and their views heard, and some consideration needs to be >given to those interests. I for one, as an American citizen, do not want my >government to pursue policies that hurt people in other countries >excessively, especially as the result of some unintended consequence that >could easily be avoided without greatly hurting the interests of Americans. >Those foreign people don't get to vote. All they can do is hire people to >present their views. Whooooaa! Mr Liberal! Let us be fair here? Sure you can "imply" that our governments decisions affect people all over the world. SO DOES every other government in the world. Do you or I have ANY say in what other governments do? Not on your life Bubba! I have an interesting snippet of information from my 1906 Encyclopedia on "Naturalization." The War of 1812, was about Naturalization. It seems that even after our little Revolution, the English government, read that Crown, felt that "we" were still Englishmen. Their motto, "Once an Englishman, ALWAYS an Englishman." They still claimed us, kind of like claiming a dependant on your income tax. They still wanted tribute. They still wanted control. What better way to control than by having loyal agents of the King in public office. Hence our "Titles of Nobility" Amendment. Hence the War of 1812. I just stumbled upon it last night while researching "Ockham's Razor." He was a Naturalist, so I was looking it up, and found some very interesting stuff under "Naturalization." Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 13:32:54 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26852 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:19:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13047 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:18:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA17136 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:14:26 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12146; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:08:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF0788@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:08:08 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: FW: LLAW: URGENT ACTION REQUEST Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF0788@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, If you don't have time I can do this. Lyle ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Paul or Lyle, Can you work out a formal proposal and press release. Then I'll distribute it over the Liberty Newswire. Write it so a first time reader will understand what you guys are up to. ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 15:17:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11900 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:13:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02935 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:41:35 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02931 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:41:26 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01319; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:38:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00938; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22767; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:26:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF35E9@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:26:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF35E9@msgate> Encoding: 54 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Are you for real? The ideals you are now espousing are direct from the Communist Manifesto. Further, it is not "we" who have any say in the affairs of foreign government. It is, however, OUR MONEY that our leaders are sending to countries like Israel, to the tune of $3 Billion a year, just to Israel mind you. $300,000,000 per DAY is leaving this country. FOR WHAT? To line the pocket of some Trilateralist/Bilderburger/Communist slime! I say enough! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: jon.roland To: myhr.lyle Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 12:57PM At 11:03 96/06/12 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >Let us be fair here? Sure you can "imply" that our governments decisions >affect people all over the world. SO DOES every other government in the >world. Do you or I have ANY say in what other governments do? Come now, of course we do. What do you think foreign aid is all about? And what do you think the CIA does in most countries on a typical day? I still remember my visits to foreign politicians and how they solicited me for money. I'm sure they were used to getting it from Americans. I also think a lot of our money has done some good. Not always, of course, especially when it has supported tyrants. This is a game everyone plays, everywhere. The only solution I can see is going to election systems modeled on the elimination tournements of sports leagues, where almost anyone can enter the early rounds, and there is public financing of subsequent elimination rounds until the number of contestants are reduced to two, then to one. A cynical friend of mine once put it well: "Nothing gets done in government until you first create a channel of corruption." That is the situation we need to change. --Jon ======================================================================= Visit our Web site under its new domain name - http://www.constitution.org/ If you need help setting up your own Web site, call us at 916/927-4935. ======================================================================= From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 15:42:07 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09777 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:39:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06558 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:38:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA05177 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:35:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25224; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:24:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF435B@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:23:23 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF435B@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 It is a lame rendition of his philosophies. My 1976 Encyclopedia gave a better account. My 1906 had nothing at all. Lyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary G. & C. Merriam Co., Springfield, Mass. 1981: OCCAM'S RAZOR n [William of Ockham]: a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE RIOTOUS TRICK ON THE READER! [The KISS of Daniel Webster.] keep it simple, stupid =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 17:18:14 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05790 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12203 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:38:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA09409 for pmitch@primenet.com; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:34:44 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27864; Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:21:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31BF50DC@msgate>; Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:21:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:25:00 PDT Message-Id: <31BF50DC@msgate> Encoding: 66 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Absolutely! That is the whole point of learning to read, again! When people play with words, beat around the bush, or what have you, interpretations will suffer. Intentionally. It's like not being able to see your nose in spite of your face. You can't see the trees, because of the forest. You can't find an Esquire because there are too many Lawyers! Etc, etc. My encyclopedia said basically that, keep it simple. Lyle ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Subject: RE: LLAW: Re: Titles of nobility Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 3:48PM At 03:27 PM 6/12/96 PDT, you wrote: > >It is a lame rendition of his philosophies. My 1976 >Encyclopedia gave a better account. My 1906 >had nothing at all. > >Lyle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- >from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary >G. & C. Merriam Co., Springfield, Mass. 1981: > >OCCAM'S RAZOR n [William of Ockham]: >a scientific and philosophic rule that entities >should not be multiplied unnecessarily which >is interpreted as requiring that the simplest >of competing theories be preferred to the >more complex or that explanations of unknown >phenomena be sought first in terms of known >quantities. I think this is a joke, Lyle. Occam's Razor is simply this: the simplest solution is the best. Webster's workers were playing a joke on the readers of their fine dictionary. Don't you agree? > >WHAT AN ABSOLUTE RIOTOUS TRICK ON THE READER! >[The KISS of Daniel Webster.] keep it simple, stupid > >=========================================================================== >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >=========================================================================== > > =========================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) =========================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 11:34:21 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12935 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19564 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:50 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA02735 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:24:43 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00217; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:14:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C05A21@msgate>; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:12:49 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Fax test Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C05A21@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Looking good! Yes BMP is a good format to stay with. It can easily be "pasted" into any Word Document. Editing is relatively easy, as a BMP. It doesn't have any TEXT qualities though. It has to be edited as a drawing. That in itself is not a problem. I have Delrina, but don't use it. Instead I use BitFax/BitCom. Same basic operation. Any program that can "print" from Windows, can produce a FAX. Lyle From ???@??? Fri Jun 14 17:33:06 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17478 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05078 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:49:27 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05072 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:48:47 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05128 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:45:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA00359 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:35:23 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25026; Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:32:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C1CBF5@msgate>; Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:30:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Declaration of Character Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 13:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C1CBF5@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= I haven't heard anyting on the class action in about 6-8 months. I would doubt it is in Supreme Ct already; if it is, I would surmise there was no trial, and that a summary judgment or dismissal had been appealed. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- I'm one of the people on his "list". I haven't heard anything since I signed up. Maybe I'll drop him a line to see what's up. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr,; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 14 17:33:28 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28076 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07928 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:17 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA07915 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:10:09 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20761 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:40 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA13634 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:04:41 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04251; Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:02:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C1FD12@msgate>; Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:00:18 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Drat! No lawsuit...this time... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C1FD12@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= >>Regards the below response from the Banks Attorney...If the bankers saw his >>response and stopped to think about what he wrote, they would probably >>fire him for misrepresenting himself! But, it is not unlike some typical >>responses in refusing an UCC negotiable instrument presented in tender of >>payment. >>kerry > >?? > >I'm not sure what you are talking about. In waht way did he misrepresent >himself? > >Charles Maybe he is refering to the lawyer telling the bank officials that *they* were upholding the law by *requiring* the information, as opposed to merely *asking* for it. He didn't really misrepresent himself as he did the "position that the bank should take, or rely on." JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 12:44:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22002 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15734 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:09:02 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15726 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:08:58 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03678 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:07:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA05894 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:04:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00201; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:50:00 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C58BC3@msgate>; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:45:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: ComLaw> W4 & Employment Eligibility Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C58BC3@msgate> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= -- >>>Need I say, all correspondence MUST be sent certified, return receipt > >Some clarification here...I have heard some say that you should use >REGISTERED, return receipt as opposed to CERTIFIED, return receipt. What are >the advantages and/or disadvantages of both. > ===========================>> Regards the above: Sending mail Registered is a lot different from sending it Certified. Certified mail is designated to a LOCATION rather than a person. Anyone at that location can sign for the mail. Registered mail on the other hand, is placed into a locked vault when you take it to the post office, where it remains until the day of service. It is considered a protected item. Only the person indicated on the Registered Mail item can sign for that mail. This type of mail is considered service because there is a valuable consideration paid by you, and you get the proper signature. The cost is considerably more, but it is worth it for that hard to get signature. (From the Nov. 1995 - pg.4 Right Way Light.) Kerry ========================================================>> I sent to the IRS Registered insured return reciept. It was "To" the regional director, by name. My reciept came back "stamped" with NO SIGNATURE from anyone. Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 12:44:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21992 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA15889 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:18:38 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15885 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:18:33 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA04600 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:17:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA06676 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01138; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:08:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C59031@msgate>; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:04:49 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Order to Show Cause Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C59031@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Tom Clark, JOP, Presiding. Clerk & Bailiff: Majordomo@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= Counselors: Does anybody have a canned, fill-in-the-blank type "Order to Show Cause" available? I could sure use one, and don't know that I have ever seen one. Greg ============================================================ Shouldn't that be Titled: "Order and Demand to Show Cause" That is how I wrote mine. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 10:08:19 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20722 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28465 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:47:05 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA28449 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:47:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA08665; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:45:29 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA14152; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23593; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:40:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C97E87@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:38:31 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Guy Marcot Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C97E87@msgate> Encoding: 58 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= If you are an independent contractor you should not have to fill out anything to "do" work for someone. Other than the agreement or contract by which you list the terms of the job. At "most" all that should be required for "their" records is a W-8 filled out "completely and correctly". This form "requires" NO SSN. It has a place to put a TIN. It states plainly, on the back, that YOU do not "need" a TIN, but you can get one if you choose. Which you shouldn't Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ( I no longer pay Federal or State "income taxes". I have a "regular" job, working for a "corporation" in San Jose, Calif. I now take home the equivalent of one weeks pay extra every month. My wife is an "independent", and also pays no taxes.) ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Cc: Liberty Law List Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 6:55PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= > "(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, > State or local government agency to deny > to any individual any right, benefit, or > privilege provided by law because of > such individual's refusal to disclose > his social security account number." Thank you for your response. I've seen this law before, though. It appears to only apply to government agencies, though. What about private companies? In my case, if I challenge them with this law, I run the risk of them saying, "Sorry, if you don't give it to us, you just can't work for us." because it's not my right to work for them, it's basically their choice - I'm an independent. What I'm saying is, if an employer fired or refused to hire on the basis of non-disclosure of a SSN, they could be sued, but since I'm independent and just do work for this company they can just say we don't want you working for us anymore. Do you know if this law does apply to private companies, and if this can be successfully used? Don't they need some sort of TIN for their pay records? Is there a way that we can both get what we want? (they need to be able to deduct my pay from their gross - they're not able to stop paying taxes - they're INC.) The IRC does appear to require TIN's for anyone submitting info on behalf of another. (employees as well as dependents) In any case, thank you for the help. If you have any more info, I'd sure appreciate it. -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 10:25:45 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14025 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA10477 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:05:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA15680 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23816; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:49:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C980BC@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:47:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE: LLAW: In re: GJ Subpoena Served on NLHC Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C980BC@msgate> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 If you want, you can just email me a copy and consider it "safe". If you can't email it tell me where to get it, I'll download it tonight. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Subject: LLAW: In re: GJ Subpoena Served on NLHC Date: Thursday, June 20, 1996 10:03AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I need 3 to 5 volunteers who will be willing to archive our pleadings to date in this case. While we are awaiting word from the Ninth Circuit on an Emergency Motion to stay execution of an arrest warrant, this pause is a good opportunity to take stock and to put the work in safe keeping. The self- extracting .EXE file is 455K and takes about 5 minutes to download at 14.4Kbps. You don't need PKUNZIP to decompress these files; the .EXE has it built-in. I would appreciate your timely response, either way, so I can take necessary precautions. We estimate that the prosecutor and judge both are facing 75 felony charges each: 25 counts of mail fraud, jury tampering, and obstruction of justice for each pleading which was intercepted on its way to the federal grand jury foreperson. (The GJ foreperson was placed on the service list right from the outset.) ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23952 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29761 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:46 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29757 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA11367 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:15:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16438 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24621; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:08:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C98535@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:07:01 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C98535@msgate> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>So far, I've convinced them to not use a SSN, >>but a "tracking number", and kept them from doing "backup withholding", >>which is some 30%!!! I still have SS taxes and Medicare taxes to work on. >>They are just trying to cover their bases and not get burned. Fortunately, >>they are willing to at least talk about the situation and work with it. >> I have NO "tracking number" on my records. A rose is still a rose. You are still "counted". >>They probably will be hesitant to do the contract by contract basis, >>especially if you office in their quarters. Once again, they do not want to >>rock the boat, and working for them *is* a privilege. Good luck. > >Contact John Voss at NCBA, Colorado, >telephone (303) 833-3333 for some >seasoned insight. > >Working is never a privilege, particularly >if it is part of a contract for the performance >of professional or other services. See >Coppage v. Kansas for the Supreme >opinion on that subject. I would NEVER >use the word "privilege" to describe >a contract for labor; it is demeaning to >the sanctity of a Person's hands and the >organ which drives those hands -- His >brain. Well put. It is the ultimate put down to say that it is a privilege to work for anyone, or any company. It is "their" privilege to have you work for them. A privilege that they are willing to pay for. Think about it. Think about how common it is for everyone to take everyday notions and completely turn around the meaning of what is being said. Our society has been so completely brainwashed we can no longer tell reality. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16937 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA30283 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:27:51 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA30277 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:27:48 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA12526; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:26:20 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA16774; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:16:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24765; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:16:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C986F4@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:14:28 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C986F4@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >However, I recommend incorporating yourself. Individual contractors are a >red flag to the IRS. With a corporation it is easier to justify deducting a >lot of your expenses as business expenses, and you only have to pay FICA on >the net your corporation pays you, after you pay expenses, instead of on >your gross. Your net might not be very much. Might even be negative. > >Not that you "have" to pay FICA, but it might be a good investment, >especially during the age range of 59-65, in case SS doesn't go broke. The >rate of return has been much, much better than investing in the stock market. > >--Jon Again with the "Communist Manifesto". Go ahead and incorporate? Go ahead and pay tribute? Are you for real? You call yourself a so-called "Constitutionist", and yet in the Constitution itself, personal income tax is FORBIDDEN. It is absurd to even think about the SS system being a better payoff than investing it yourself. A stock broker you're not. Why do you think "they" recently came up the proposal to invest your SS dollars in the stock market? Take your "Communist" beliefs elsewhere, please. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 14:20:20 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29848 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:26:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17891 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA21260 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:16:45 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26930; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:17:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9952E@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:15:10 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Files safe Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9952E@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Received file. Uncoded (.EXE). Ran (.EXE). Successfully extracted 96 (.DOC) files. 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Thu Jun 20 14:49:07 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20411 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05347 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:57 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05342 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:48 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA05244; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:35:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA04998; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:34:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04773; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:27:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9C1B0@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:25:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "jon.roland" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9C1B0@msgate> Encoding: 75 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= As much as I would "like" to respect Jon Roland for what he says he has done for the Militia movement in this country, I can't. He does not understand "where" the BATTLE is. He responds to my response, thusly. I will insert new comments in (parrens). >At 10:20 96/06/20 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >> >>in the Constitution itself, personal income tax >>is FORBIDDEN. > >True, but that does not prevent one from making a voluntary contribution, >and if one does, removing money as the issue, one is in a better position to >argue the legal issues. (There is NO legal issue to argue, once you have VOLUNTARILY given them your money. Don't be stupid.) >>It is absurd to even think about the SS system being >>a better payoff than investing it yourself. > >Various estimates for the rate of return, if one only pays in the last 6 >years from age 59 to 65, then lives a long time, is in the neighborhood of >800 percent. (It is a STANDARD tactic to PAD ones statistics to favor your assertion. You have done so nicely. Please explain how anyone, in the system, is going to ONLY be contributing to SSA for the last SIX WORKING YEARS OF THEIR LIFE. What about the FORTY YEARS BEFORE THAT? Kind of screws your stats up doesn't it? Oh, but maybe they will die before they get to collect!) >Why do you think "they" recently came up the proposal to invest >your SS dollars in the stock market? >To avoid having the government go broke, by having people keep their money >and invest it instead of paying it to the government in taxes. But that >doesn't mean they would wind up receiving as much as they would from SS. (Well since you're going to receive ZIP from SSA at retirement, why not let them try to lose it on the stock market then?) >I am not arguing for SS, nor for the other suggestions on constitutionalist >grounds. Guy Marcot was asking, as I took it, for practical advice, not for >ways to fight the system. By incorporating oneself one can play the game by >"their" rules, file all the returns, and come out paying them little or >nothing. The money one saves thereby can be used for the cause. (You have betrayed the cause.) >For the same reason I don't recommend fighting traffic tickets. Sure, as a >matter of principle, and someone needs to do it, but we have scarce >resources and there is nothing "they" like better than having us waste those >scarce resources fighting unimportant battles when the larger war remains >unengaged. Good generals need to keep their priorities straight. (And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? Good Generals know where the battle is. More importantly, they don't coddle the enemy, or play by "their" rules.) >--Jon Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 15:58:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03478 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06722 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:49 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06718 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10817 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:35:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA09164 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:34:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06984; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:34:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9D197@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:32:55 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9D197@msgate> Encoding: 60 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Thanks for the advice on incorporating. I happen to agree, though, that >doing this definitely puts me within the jurisdiction of the IRS. It >seems I would be better off just sticking to not being taxable by reason >of not being a govt employee, engaged in revenue taxable activities, or >being an officer of a corporation. I don't need a license to do what I >do. Do you know if there's a difference between a dba with a TIN and an >INC.? (as far as being thrown into the jurisdiction of the IRS) If you get a DBA, you will be creating a "legal fiction" that IS REQUIRED to pay income tax. Under NO circumstances do YOU ever NEED a TIN. Get a W-8, and read the back of it carefully. It is very clear that YOU do not need a TIN. Getting a DBA, is virtually the same as getting a business license. What do you think DBA stands for? Doing business as..... Don't file a DBA, don't get a TIN. Again since you are "contracting". Under what pretext did you give them your SSN to begin with? They don't need it for anything. >They are not withholding any of my pay, but they will report my 'income' to the >IRS. They will probably do this with or without the SSN. If they are currently NOT WITHHOLDING for taxes, why the bother? The only problem you will have is in what paperwork you may have filled out with them. > I sent an affidavit to the SSA revoking my number as of July 10 and > I feel I have to stick to that date. Unfortunately, I gave them the >number (woops) to use until then. Now, getting them to stop using >it will probably be very difficult. They'll probably use it until I give them a >replacement. I'm going to politely show them that they don't really need >it and may get in trouble for demanding it. >When it comes down to it though, I can't risk losing this job, I know it is difficult. I was under that impression myself a few months back. No longer. I was written up, my job was threatened, etc. I'm still here and I'm not paying taxes any more. "They" your employer(s) will stand to lose more from a lawsuit for firing you than by giving in to your demands. Stick to it, but do it right. Also, the review I received "after" being written up did not reflect any difficulty with me as an employee, my raise was, and always has been, above the average. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris -Guy Marcot From ???@??? Thu Jun 20 17:41:55 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13567 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA11132 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:29 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11128 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:25 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20183 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:56 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA17008 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12566; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:20:41 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31C9EA5E@msgate>; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:18:38 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31C9EA5E@msgate> Encoding: 64 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= More from Jon the TAXMAN: >There is an open question on that, too. The only valid federal taxing >authority for state corporations is the excise tax, so IMHO the form of the >tax would have to be on transactions, not aggregate income, either gross or >net. WRONG! Corporations are taxed on their income. Not on the NUMBER of transactions they make. Since you KNOW so LITTLE about taxes, even taxes on corporations, IMHO you should quit giving advice. >>It >>seems I would be better off just sticking to not being taxable by reason >>of not being a govt employee, engaged in revenue taxable activities, or >>being an officer of a corporation. > >I would argue that you are not income-taxable even if you are in any of the >above categories, unless you are a resident of state-ceded federal >territory. Adhesion contracts are unconstitutional. Can't confer >governmental powers to the government by any kind of contract, only through >the Constitution, and government officials can't exercise any powers not >thus delegated. The only thing you can, as a person, confer to the >government though contract is ordinary commercial rights of the same kind >you confer to any party to a commercial contract. But not governmental >powers, the power to compel. You would lose. > That would involve yielding inalienable natural >rights, which are not yours to give. WRONG AGAIN! You CAN, and most of use have, GIVEN away our "inalienable rights". You can, however, get them back. And they sure as *^&& are yours to give away if you so choose. How do you think all of this came about? >>Do you know if there's a difference between a dba with a TIN and an >>INC.? (as far as being thrown into the jurisdiction of the IRS) >A TIN is just an identifying number. Can be applied to anything. You could >get one for your dog. Doesn't make it a more or less a taxable entity. STOP! Please STOP GIVING BAD INFORMATION. A TIN, is a TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. It is just what it says. Anyone who has one is a TAXPAYER. And I'd like to see you get one for your dog! The rest of Jon's FELGERCARB has been deleted. Please do not follow his advice if you want to quit paying taxes. Everything he has posted has been geared towards getting you to "sign up" for the program. Does the phrase, "Agent provocateur" ring any bells? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:26 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28770 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01614 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:51 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01610 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:47 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17281 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:05:17 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA05694 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:04:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05528; Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:49:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE028@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:47:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 10:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE028@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of his species. If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and enrollment info? ------------------------------------------------- Tarheel Sovereign Citizen Resource Center =================================================================== I would agree to let "dtpa102@ix.netcom.com" enter our list. His address is in my "address book", therefore he must not be all that bad. (8-)) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:28 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10706 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18230; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA06472; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06357; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:12:47 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE586@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:10:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE586@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>>(And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? >> >>The larger battle is getting constitutionalists elected and appointed to >>office, and getting the criminals in government exposed, indicted, >>prosecuted, and convicted. These legal battles are just harrassing tactics. >>They don't really change anything, because they don't change the fundamental >>correlation of forces. > >I have to agree with Jon, here. >We must change the composition of >the Congress, and get going on this >idea sooner than later. Here is why: > >We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >openly and in plain English, that the term >"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. Also, commenting on someone's spelling is not necessary. Sometimes it is more expedient to not use the spell checker. Sometimes people hit the wrong key and don't notice it. If the intent can be understood from what is posted, making light of the short comings of ones spelling is not proper. Please try to refrain from "personal" attacks like that in the future. OTOH, when someone REPEATEDLY espouses the "communist doctrine" in their posts, it is worth mentioning. ESPECIALLY on a list such as ours which is SUPPOSED to be trying to restore OUR GOD GIVEN REPUBLIC. I agree that D.C. and ALL other houses of government should be flushed of the filth they contain. One method of accomplishing same is to attack, relentlessly at their applied system of laws. This will not only relieve the burden placed upon the people of this country, but it will expose the lies to the light of day, where they will not survive. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 11:39:33 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15896 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01928 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01924 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:17:03 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18230; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA06472; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:14:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06357; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:12:47 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CAE586@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:10:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 11:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CAE586@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>>(And just what is the LARGER BATTLE? >> >>The larger battle is getting constitutionalists elected and appointed to >>office, and getting the criminals in government exposed, indicted, >>prosecuted, and convicted. These legal battles are just harrassing tactics. >>They don't really change anything, because they don't change the fundamental >>correlation of forces. > >I have to agree with Jon, here. >We must change the composition of >the Congress, and get going on this >idea sooner than later. Here is why: > >We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >openly and in plain English, that the term >"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. Also, commenting on someone's spelling is not necessary. Sometimes it is more expedient to not use the spell checker. Sometimes people hit the wrong key and don't notice it. If the intent can be understood from what is posted, making light of the short comings of ones spelling is not proper. Please try to refrain from "personal" attacks like that in the future. OTOH, when someone REPEATEDLY espouses the "communist doctrine" in their posts, it is worth mentioning. ESPECIALLY on a list such as ours which is SUPPOSED to be trying to restore OUR GOD GIVEN REPUBLIC. I agree that D.C. and ALL other houses of government should be flushed of the filth they contain. One method of accomplishing same is to attack, relentlessly at their applied system of laws. This will not only relieve the burden placed upon the people of this country, but it will expose the lies to the light of day, where they will not survive. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 13:47:44 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06350 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05584 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:36:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05575 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:36:34 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28560 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:35:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA15882 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:34:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10961; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:25:31 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB049E@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:22:54 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB049E@msgate> Encoding: 47 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= This is from Lyle. I did not write ANY of the following post. Please refrain from misquoting posts. post follows: ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Friday, June 21, 1996 2:42PM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= At 10:53 AM 6/21/96 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >======================================================================= > > >I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving >of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a >heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was >intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did >not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. > >He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be >pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of >his species. Disection time! > >If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and enrollment >info? > ------------------------------------------------- >Tarheel >Sovereign Citizen Resource Center >=================================================================== > From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 14:04:02 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26468 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05829 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:46:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05825 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:46:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29311 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:45:12 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA16513 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:44:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11603; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:39:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB07FA@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:37:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: SSN vs TIN Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB07FA@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Also note that I have not been offering any kind of advice for winning. I >make it very clear that if you follow what I say you will probably lose, but >if enough people follow it the system will eventually change, because it >won't be able to get convictions or have any place to put all the convicts. > >--Jon It's all so clear now. Once we are all in jail, we win! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 14:19:04 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22986 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06186 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:06:57 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06182 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:06:52 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01569 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:05:23 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA17812 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:04:07 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12325; Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:02:04 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB0D2E@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 13:59:26 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Off base Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB0D2E@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= You " teased us " with the offer of startling information: >>We have a letter from Rep. Barbara Kennelly >>from Connecticut, I believe. She has said, >>openly and in plain English, that the term >>"state" at IRC 3121(e) includes ONLY the >>named places: D.C., Guam, Virgin Islands, >>Puerto Rico, and American Samoa. There >>you have it, folks, the IRC is officially DEAD. > I " asked " for enlightenment: >So please enlighten us all, post the letter to the >list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. You come off the cuff: >>I would have preferred "please send me a copy, if you can, or let me know how I might obtain a copy from you." Well, on closer examination, you did say "please." Thank you .<< And end with something totally out of character: >>Here is my current policy on this kind of request (demand?).<< You know full well that it was not a demand. >>First, some background. I have been working pro bono for over 5 years, and it has depleted everything I ever had in the way of material things, e.g. clothes, furniture, home, dental insurance, medical insurance, savings account, basically EVERYTHING. People continue to demand that I "do this or gopher that", without even offering so much as a single dime for same.<< If you want money it should have been noted in your original post concerning your divulgence of " information of this character ". To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this point a childish rant. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 19:34:16 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16412 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:14:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09403 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:07:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA09399 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:07:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11288 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:06:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA25454 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:04:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17263; Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:52:55 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB2725@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:50:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB2725@msgate> Encoding: 92 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Pardon me Max, but any IDIOT can plainly see the message you think was mine was from "Tarheel" and I had added to the bottom of the post, but somehow, it doesn't appear, anything that I wrote, in what you included as saying was mine. I did not, nor have I ever, altered ANYBODIES POST and said it was mine. YOU SAID IT WAS MINE. When I say I have been incorrectly attributed as having said something, then you damned well better beleive it. I said, plainly and simply, that I did not write anything that was in what I received from the "list" , that was apparently your post. The questioned post is included in its entirety for all to see. The single line in question, in my mind, as having been written by persons unknown, is the line which merely states: "Disection time!" Neither I, nor Tarheel, wrote that line. This is the second time that I am asserting this fact to this body. It is not a RUDE request to ask to not be attributed to having said something that YOU DID NOT SAY! It is rude of you to respond the way you have. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris ===================================================== Pardon me, but this is how it is from YOU in my mailbox. Please refrain from removing the person you are quoting from in messages if they are not your own. This is the second time you've made this rude request in as many weeks, and it's your DAMN fault. Quit whinning. Max Kennedy > >post follows: > ---------- >From: owner-libertylaw >To: libertylaw >Cc: Liberty Law >Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation >Date: Friday, June 21, 1996 2:42PM > >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >======================================================================= >At 10:53 AM 6/21/96 PDT, myhr.lyle wrote: >>======================================================================= >>LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP >>Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo >>======================================================================= >> >> >>I would recomend dtpa102@ix.netcom.com (****** as qualified and deserving >>of joining us on LLAW. He is a member of the Bar who, I believe, has a >>heart to see real law and justice reign in this land. As he put it, he was >>intoxicated when he enrolled in law school, so he has an excuse, but he did >>not quit the next day so he also is not overly smart. >> >>He was a contributing member on the old Patriot list, and he would be >>pleased to be allowed on LLAW if the membership did not mind having one of >>his species. > >Disection time! > >> >>If the decision is positive, could the baliff email him rules and >enrollment >>info? >> ------------------------------------------------- >>Tarheel >>Sovereign Citizen Resource Center >>=================================================================== >> > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 19:35:00 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13634 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA11466 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:07:53 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11437 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:07:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15896 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:06:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA29146 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:04:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19942; Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:52:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31CB352D@msgate>; Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:50:05 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Friends and Enemies Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:56:00 PDT Message-Id: <31CB352D@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Tom Clark, Presiding JOP Bailiff: Citizen Dei Gratia Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= How quickly we all forget who a friend is. How quickly a discussion turns to anger. How quickly the fingers type out lashes of the whip. If only to obtain a moment of obscene pleasure. If only to gain prominence in ones own eye. If only to hurt without need or reason. This is why man is weak. This is why man needs guidance. This is why man needs friends. This is why man has enemies. Food for thought. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:07:15 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22105; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03006 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:44 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03002 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04025 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:17:10 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA14063 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:14:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12133; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:07:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D02988@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:01:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: NEW LIST RULE Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D02988@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I oppose. Much too totalitarian in concept. There should be NO limit of correspondence. Only, for nonsensical diatribe, which the bailiff is supposed to handle, as a function of his job. It is his responsibility to inform said offenders to "take their discussion to private email". Thereby saving the list from the flame war. Any "ban" is an outright infringement of the right of speech. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr Sui Juris ============================================================= If there is sufficient opposition to the following, I will rescind the rule. This rule is a result of comments returned with the LLAW BALLOT I sent out next week. 100% of respondents felt posts should be confined to USING the LAW to restore LIBERTY. This is an impossibly hard task for Robert and I to keep up with on the amount of traffic we have. So, unless someone can come up with a better way -- for a couple of guys with other things to do -- to enforce the list rules, I ask for the general consent (SILENCE WILL BE CONSTRUED AS CONSENT TO THIS RULE). Starting JUNE 24, 1996 until further notice, if I catch anyone posting to the list more than 4 times (not including majordomo hiccups) in a 24 hour period -- that person will be suspended from the list for 1 week. Second offense 2 weeks. Third offense - 1 month. Fourth offense - 1 year. I will record offenses and relating actions for the record. An offense will be expunged one year from the action, viz. an offense remains in the count for one year. I will rescind this rule if there is sufficient opposition to it. ~Tom Clark From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:07:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29017; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03780 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:55 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03776 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:51 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07150; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:47:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16436; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14397; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:37:15 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D0309C@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:31:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Max Kennedy Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D0309C@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I included your entire post in my message. You are the idiot for insulting me without cause. There isn't anyone with any online experience that doesn't know that quoting is automatic, or how to read it from top down, from message recieved to parts of a message you quoted. I could go on. How long have you been online? 6 months? Learn how the software works before you get a tizzy in your panties. ============================================================= My first response to you was definitely NOT an insult. I merely told you that I did NOT WRITE ANY OF WHAT YOU QUOTED ME AS HAVING SAID. You insulted me in your response to me asking you not to misquote me. You had better learn to READ where your messages come from. The post you said I sent to you, implying, I sent it directly and only to you, came from the LISTSERVER, whom I posted it to, in a more complete form. Your message that you received from the LIST apparently was incomplete, THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN. My complete post, did appear on the list. Again, when I tell you that under NO UNCERTAIN TERMS did what you post CONTAIN ANYTHING THAT I PERSONALLY WROTE, you have absolutely no reason on this planet to call me a LIAR. I did NOT SEND IT TO YOU PERSONALLY. I did NOT WRITE ANY OF WHAT YOU QUOTED ME AS SAYING. How hard is that to understand, OR ACCEPT?????? How long have you been on the NET? I know all about quoting and all other such matters. I also know whether or not I ACTUALLY WROTE SOMETHING. Do you know what you have written? Apparently not. Can you read yet? You are the one who is wrong in this case Max. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:34:37 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03957 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:08:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09659; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:07:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA18682; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15970; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:04:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D036E8@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:58:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D036E8@msgate> Encoding: 73 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, I never thought for one moment that you could be so callous or misinterpretive of simple statements. It hurts me deeply to read your post and think that you would consider me as being CHEAP. Do you not remember the recent Montana Freemen situation, where I was THE FIRST PERSON ON THIS LIST TO PLEDGE NOT ONLY TIME BUT MONEY, to send YOU to Montana? How quickly we forget. I was also one of the people who helped you iron out your FAX to BMP solution. We forget so easily. And then the ultimate insult, SELECTIVE QUOTING. If you are going to quote someone, QUOTE IT ALL. Not merely PART of a sentence. The part below you seem to like to quote, is PREFACED in my original post with PLEASE. But then I didn't ask the way you seem to prefer to be asked. Now that I know how you PREFER to be asked, and now that I know how vindictive you appear to be, I'll hold my OFFERS of generosity for others more deserving. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Those who have asked me how much I would want to fax or mail this document to them will testify, I hope, that my quote was a whopping $1.00. Of course I want money; that's not the issue. I want a solution to this horribly nagging problem of people, like you, sir, who ask for things without even offering so much as one single dime. You still haven't offered as much as one single dime. And you are not going to offer me a single dime, are you? I would not expect you to, with the attitude you have displayed here, too often for my liking. But, that is just my opinion, and I will defend my Right to express that opinion aggressively and directly and in any manner I deem lawful and appropriate. If you don't like it, go kick some other tires. Fair enough? > >To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this >point a childish rant. Yes you do want something for nothing, when you say the following, to repeat: post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. (Try putting the PLEASE in front of my request. It doesn't sound near as bad that way.) From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 12:34:40 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21054; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:12:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA04159 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:09:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04155 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:09:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09659; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:07:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA18682; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15970; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:04:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D036E8@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:58:48 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D036E8@msgate> Encoding: 73 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Paul, I never thought for one moment that you could be so callous or misinterpretive of simple statements. It hurts me deeply to read your post and think that you would consider me as being CHEAP. Do you not remember the recent Montana Freemen situation, where I was THE FIRST PERSON ON THIS LIST TO PLEDGE NOT ONLY TIME BUT MONEY, to send YOU to Montana? How quickly we forget. I was also one of the people who helped you iron out your FAX to BMP solution. We forget so easily. And then the ultimate insult, SELECTIVE QUOTING. If you are going to quote someone, QUOTE IT ALL. Not merely PART of a sentence. The part below you seem to like to quote, is PREFACED in my original post with PLEASE. But then I didn't ask the way you seem to prefer to be asked. Now that I know how you PREFER to be asked, and now that I know how vindictive you appear to be, I'll hold my OFFERS of generosity for others more deserving. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Those who have asked me how much I would want to fax or mail this document to them will testify, I hope, that my quote was a whopping $1.00. Of course I want money; that's not the issue. I want a solution to this horribly nagging problem of people, like you, sir, who ask for things without even offering so much as one single dime. You still haven't offered as much as one single dime. And you are not going to offer me a single dime, are you? I would not expect you to, with the attitude you have displayed here, too often for my liking. But, that is just my opinion, and I will defend my Right to express that opinion aggressively and directly and in any manner I deem lawful and appropriate. If you don't like it, go kick some other tires. Fair enough? > >To purport that " we want something for nothing ", is at this >point a childish rant. Yes you do want something for nothing, when you say the following, to repeat: post the letter to the list. If not to the list at least send me a copy. (Try putting the PLEASE in front of my request. It doesn't sound near as bad that way.) From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 18:52:55 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04467 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02702 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:06:36 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA10158 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:04:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25557; Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:50:33 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D06BF3@msgate>; Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:45:07 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: RE: LLAW: Friends or Enemies? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 15:54:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D06BF3@msgate> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, I knew there was something eating you. I could tell you were "out of character". I too, get frustrated as you know what, and lash out at the wrong people at the wrong time. I am still a friend, if in need. Together as friends, we will conquer all. Divided as enemies, we are conquered. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:39 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08127 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13333; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:09:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14415; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:20 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25911; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:57:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16A8B@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:51:23 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.032 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: HTM viewer/editor (Win) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16A8B@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: U Try "webedt11.zip". Get it off the web. Do a search using "Alta Vista" or some other "search" engine. Also I have no problem viewing HTM files "off line" using CompuServe (CIM). Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Friends, Is there any shareware for viewing .htm files from Windows or DOS? Will Netscape do it without connecting to my ISP? Eudora hangs if Trumpet Winsock is not connected. I guess you need the network connection for the hypertext links to work, correct? Please excuse the dumb question. Paul Mitchell ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:41 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18468; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06843 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06839 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:11:16 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13333; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:09:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14415; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:20 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25911; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:57:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16A8B@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:51:23 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.033 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: LLAW: HTM viewer/editor (Win) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16A8B@msgate> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Try "webedt11.zip". Get it off the web. Do a search using "Alta Vista" or some other "search" engine. Also I have no problem viewing HTM files "off line" using CompuServe (CIM). Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ===================================================== Friends, Is there any shareware for viewing .htm files from Windows or DOS? Will Netscape do it without connecting to my ISP? Eudora hangs if Trumpet Winsock is not connected. I guess you need the network connection for the hypertext links to work, correct? Please excuse the dumb question. Paul Mitchell ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 13:24:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07198; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA05304 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:05:53 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA05300 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:05:45 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02768 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:04:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21501 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26790; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:17:11 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D16F31@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:11:13 PDT X-UIDL: 835820329.025 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: Emergency, State of Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:21:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D16F31@msgate> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= March of 1819. To be closer I'd have to look it up. It was "published" until 1867 (Colorado Territory) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================= 1819 was the year Virginnia put it over the top, I believe. Anybody know for sure? We have coupled our Right to Counsel research with the "Esquires" essay, and the U.S. ATTORNeys are hopping mad (and that is putting it mildly). ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 16:15:52 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24723; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA12860 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:01:41 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA12856 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:01:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09638 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:00:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA27192 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:54:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12015; Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:47:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D1BC89@msgate>; Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:41:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: STOP THE EMERGENCY, I WANT TO GET OFF Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:51:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D1BC89@msgate> Encoding: 55 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Who advised FDR of this? Was it the FRB? >I seem to recall that Hoover opposed the >very same idea, so the FRB put their man >in there. We are dealing here with a massive >bank fraud, so it shouldn't surprise us that >FDR was escorted into office. See The >Roosevelt Coup d' Etat, a copy of which >Vern Holland can sell you from his office >in Tulsa, Oklahoma. > You're correct Herbert Hoover DID oppose the pending action. He was "asked" to enact it while he was President. He wouldn't. Making FDR a "shoe-in" for the job. FDR, for those who don't know, was the former "governor" of the NY FRB. He was a BANKER, big time. Read Hoovers memoirs. > His reply: "Nevertheless, I will do it >>(declare bank holiday using TWTEAct as authority). > >Of course, when you have a gun >at your head, you will do and say >anything. Sometimes they have >pulled the trigger, too, and once >both muskets misfired (surely an >Act of the Most High, to save >President Jackson's life). We >discount the Holy Spirit at our >great peril. > FDR had NO GUN to his head. See above. He was a traitor, through and through. >> >>--Andrew Lehr >>Common Law Network > >============================================================ >Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) >============================================================ > Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Jun 28 09:43:23 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21432 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:40:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26586 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:39:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA18409 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06460; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:33:36 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2B652@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:26:58 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: re: Apology Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2B652@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Thank you. Lyle ======================================================================= My open apologies to Lyle. During the deluge, I got him confused with another Person. "Rain" was falling very hard here. I tried to explain that a hurricane was passing through. Then I wake up a few days ago and see one coming up the Baja Peninsula full steam. Would that we could materialize a constitutional republic so easily. ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Fri Jun 28 11:53:36 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18533; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA03552 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:10:44 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA03548 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:10:39 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00129 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:09:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21292 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07653; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:53:56 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2BB15@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:47:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Corporations/Vol. Assoc's. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 09:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2BB15@msgate> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >All of you should read the foundation works: Hobbes, Locke, Hume, >Montesquieu, Rousseau, Mill, and others, most of whose major works are >available for downloading from the CS WWW site. Aren't these authors rather extreme Socialists? Jon, you shouldn't be formulating your ideals from socialist ideals. They go against the grain of all that is Sovereign, or individualistic, i.e. Republican governance. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:22:11 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23536; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:31:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09463 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:11:03 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09447 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:10:57 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26728; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:09:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA09853; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21259; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:04:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2F5D8@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:58:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Free Email Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2F5D8@msgate> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= I have a new "personal" Email account with which I can send and receive Email (only). It is absolutely FREE of charge. Some of you may have heard of them before. JUNO.COM If you want to reduce the cost of your Email, to nothing. Send a message to: "signup@juno.com" My new personal address is: montanatank@juno.com I can also still be reached at my other addresses (71552.2725@compuserve.com) (myhr@ulinear.com) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:22:13 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23582; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09944 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:21:09 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09928 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:20:59 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27916 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:19:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA10800 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:16:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21803; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:17:10 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D2F8C0@msgate>; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:10:24 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D2F8C0@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= > >>You will be required to sign, with witnesses, a solemn oath to support the >>Constitution for the United States of America, as lawfully amended [see >>Preamble]. > >This is completely contrary to Mathew 5:23-25. > >I don't swear oaths. > >So I guess I'm on my own. > >In Liberty, > >Charles Please, let us not walk that path again. There are those in this grand world who solemnly feel that attesting an oath to anyone or anything, other than God, is a sin. "Popeye" sums it up nicely with his famous line..... "I am what I am, and that's all that I am." And that Gentlemen, is good enough for me. We must remember at the heart of all issues pertaining to the taking of an oath, is that you must be true to your friends/neighbors, or what have you. This is "embodied" in Gods commandment that.... "Thou shall not lie." If you are true to God, all the universe is in harmony. Charles you're not on your own. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Sui Juris From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 12:23:08 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15444; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04376 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:51:05 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA04360 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:50:57 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18425 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:49:27 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA08724 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:44:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22552; Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:41:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D40996@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:34:30 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Corporations Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 09:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D40996@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >CORPORATION. An aggregate corporation is an ideal body, created by law, All you really need to remember. >Call it a trust, association, or whatever you want...the term >'Corporation' is a legally defined term, therefore you can't re-define it >to whatever you want, and why SHOULD you? (unless you WANT to be >classified as a corporation by the IRS ;-) > >IN Liberty, > >Charles I think that the emphasis should be away from anything promulgated by law. More so, if a "partnership" is all that is required, for common purposes, then it should remain a partnership. I think more study is needed to understand the "old" concept of "Limited Partnership", and determine if it can still be accomplished. I don't see why it couldn't, other than government intervention. Instead of using Corp. or Co. we should then use LTD. Thereby giving public notice in the name of the "Partnership", that its liabilities are indeed limited. (That was a very informative post, that this came from) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Sui Juris From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 14:44:00 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16613 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18918 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:39:09 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29442 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:34:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04686; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:29:03 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D44CE0@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:21:36 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Dan Meador files Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D44CE0@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Paul, Please forward Meador.exe. Is there any charge? Thanks in advance. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 14:58:57 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18374 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20262 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:49:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00122 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:44:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05237; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:40:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D44FA1@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:33:21 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Re: Court Decisio Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 14:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D44FA1@msgate> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Way to go Paul! Lyle ============================================== A similar challenge to the State Bar of Arizona is about to default: General Counsel has fallen silent in the face of a challenge to produce their statutory/constitutional authority to issue licenses in the first instance. Grace deadline is July 3, 1996, so I get to write my affidavit of default on July 4, 1996. Now, THAT was the Holy Spirit, all the way, because I did not plan it that way at all. (I could barely keep my head from crashing into the pillow.) BTW, we have offered to help Governor Symington to come out of his corner swinging with a first-round knock-out punch against U.S. Attorney Nora Manella. More on that later. Me thinks a public relations triumph is awaiting Symington, just around the corner up ahead. I can share with you all the letter I wrote to the General Counsel of the State Bar of Arizona (notice use of General "Counsel"!). From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 16:25:09 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06174; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA14413 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:41:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14397 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:41:03 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25869 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:39:26 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA03710 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:34:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06880; Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:20:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D458D8@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:12:40 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: New listmember recomendation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:24:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D458D8@msgate> Encoding: 59 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>"Popeye" sums it up nicely with his famous line..... >> >>"I am what I am, and that's all that I am." > > >We need to know that what you are is >a Person who is committed to supporting >the Constitution for the United States of America, >as lawfully amended, as the supreme Law of >the Land. Just "saying" it, without affirming >it solemnly in some way, in a way which would >make you accountable for such a statement, >is not going to be good enough, I am afraid. >If you were elected to the House of >Representatives, how would you go about >getting paid, if not by affirming your commitment >to support the Constitution (see 5 USC 3331)? Here you're talking about two different beasts. One is for "us" to solemnly swear or "vow" to uphold the Constitution. Then you want to compare it with the oath that our "politicians" take to get paid. One they apparently take very lightly, AFA, keeping it. The oath that is. They have no problem accepting money, from anyone, for anything. The problem as I see it is this. You want people to swear, affirm, vow, what have you. But you won't be satisfied with "just saying it." As in " I will." You have to understand that just to say " I will", YOU can not include " I swear to..." in YOUR requested affirmation. Conflict. Does that make it clearer? >And that Gentlemen, is good enough for me. We must remember >at the heart of all issues pertaining to the taking of an oath, is that >you must be true to your friends/neighbors, or what have you. This >is "embodied" in Gods commandment that.... > >"Thou shall not lie." > >If you are true to God, all the universe is in harmony. If God says "Thou shall not lie", and I say to you as my affirmation, " I will" . I would be disavowing God if I were to lie to you. So why should you doubt me, and want further oaths or vows or what have you? JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 21:00:08 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08632 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06414 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:29:15 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA10310 for pmitch@primenet.com; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:24:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12262; Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:12:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D4732C@msgate>; Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:05:00 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Dan Meador files Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D4732C@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 How about $5, mailed to: Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 Tucson, Arizona state zip code exempt ========================================================= Will send tomorrow. Thanks a bunch! Lyle From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 12:56:27 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13746; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13374 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:06 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13366 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:43:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12251 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:41:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA28125 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:34:05 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12296; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:29:43 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D816E1@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:20:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D816E1@msgate> Encoding: 53 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Assuming that this amendment was actually ratified, neither Trumane nor > Hunt provide us with any factual basis for the assertion that all >lawyers have become Esquires. I was never anointed with that title at >any time, and I have never claimed it. I do receive correspondence that >incorporates the title, but I have no control over that. I know many >other lawyers who don't use it. All lawyers are not esquires. > >How would this affect John Wayne (the Duke)? Elvis (the King)? >Prince? Queen Latifah? The Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Earl Schieb? >Anyone who uses a room marked "Gentlemen," or refers to themselves as >such? Under the Trumane/Hunt analysis, all the above (at least the >ones still among the living) had better start packing for Merry Olde >England! George Bush purportedly was knighted by the Queen, which I >thought appalling and still do. > >I know I'm going to get hassled for this, but THINK THIS THROUGH! No hassle, just clarification. First, it is not assumed that the amendment was ratified, it was. March 1819. Second, it is not an assertion that ALL lawyers, OF THAT TIME, were Esquires. They were. Don't confuse today and your present status with how it was 200 years ago. All lawyers WERE Esquires. They were granted that Title indirectly from the King of England. Who founded the London Bar Association. The obvious "ploy" used today to refute the intended consequences of the 13th amendment, is to simply say....Lawyers (today) are not Esquires. Of course you're not. There is no longer any need for the given Title. It has all gone under the bridge like so much water, undetected for 200 years. AFA your assertions of "Titles" such as "the Duke", "the King", etc. These are all nonsense. They were NOT Titles "granted" by any King or foreign government. A self proclaimed Title is just that, and nothing else. Now George Bush is indeed another story. I'll help him pack his bags. Hope this helps. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:29:27 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19883; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13848 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:53:28 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13836 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:53:19 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13268 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:51:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA28898 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:44:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12874; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:40:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D81960@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:30:56 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D81960@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Jon writes: >I find this a patriot myth, as I have said in a previous posting to this >list. At the time it was passed, most of the members of the Congress and the >states who adopted it were lawyers, and it is hardly likely they intended to >expatriate themselves. Moreover, at that time most lawyers didn't join a bar >association or even go to law school. A guy would just read a few law books, >hang up a shingle, and say "I'm a lawyer!" Not quite true Jon. Remember, it was an Amendment, ratified by the PEOPLE. AFA lawyers not going to school or joining the BAR, also misleading. At that time, 200 years ago, how many LAW schools existed, in the WORLD. Two or three. Lawyers were self taught, and TUTORED by other lawyers, who had been educated at one of the few schools. All of those who went to those schools were indeed Esquires, and given such Title by the King of England. Also, at that time, there was only ONE BAR association in the world. I'll give you one guess where it was located. Why do you think it took almost 50 years to pass such an amendment? Because those in places of power, i.e. public office, didn't want it passed. They would loose their job, and/or citizenship. That's no myth. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:29:30 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19804; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:30:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14284 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:12:40 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14280 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:12:36 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA15544 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:11:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id MAA00619 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:04:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13493; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:54:12 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D81C9D@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:44:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Another Cartel Rip-Off - Was No Wonder Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 11:58:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D81C9D@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= We shall control their mouths by controlling their stomach. A slightly reworded UN statement. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >Add to that the fact that we throw away >tons and tons of unused wheat every year, >or give it away to foreign countries or, >worse, we pay farmers NOT to grow it, >foreclosing an enormous opportunity to >convert that vegetable matter into alcohol. >George Bush knows quite a lot about this >particular petroleum technology, and how >it compares to alcohol fuels. > I don't doubt but what wheat is being dumped and destroyed in wholesale fashion. What bothers me is that we currently have about a three day surplus supply of wheat on hand where we normally have about a two year supply. It's the lowest since USDA got into the act. We are allegedly importing wheat today. Also, USDA is allegedly handling the supply of seed wheat to the farmers, and all they are releasing is hybrid seed -- unable to reproduce viable seed. It has been alleged that there is no known source of natural wheat seed available in the US. This tidbit was found in a USDA report about two months ago, and my memory is a bit foggy as to the exact report. Does anybody else know about this, or able to shed more light on the subject? Greg From ???@??? Mon Jul 01 14:57:25 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20996 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29609 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:11:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA09970 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:04:09 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18632; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:00:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D83A36@msgate>; Mon, 01 Jul 96 13:51:02 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Highway robbery Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 14:04:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D83A36@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I was just told, by a reliable source who >wants to remain anonymous, that in 1997, >all our highways revert to the ownership >of the British Crown. Congress is aware >of this contract and is doing nothing to >stop this transfer. Seems to me, WE >the People paid for the construction >of those highways, didn't WE? > >Red Coats at the Rest Stops? Paul, Can you elaborate a little more, please. My father worked for the HWY Dept. in Washington state for thirty years. I'll query him as to the "rights of way" and such. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 02 10:42:42 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09735; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18698 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18694 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:41 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01129 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:11:10 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA10273 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:04:10 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22913; Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:59:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D95309@msgate>; Tue, 02 Jul 96 09:49:13 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D95309@msgate> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >> Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. >> (Addressing for Success per 28 USC 297) >> c/o 2509 North Campbell, # 1776 >> Tucson [85719-345-54-8798-520-323-3922] <-- yawn >> ARIZONA REPUBLIC >> >> >Paul, > >What kind of zip code is this? it looks like a combination of the old zip, a >SS#, and an old military ID#, all cancatinated. > >Greg My guess is ZIP Code, SSN, and phone number. Lyle From ???@??? Tue Jul 02 11:12:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06126; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA19076 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:32:56 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19065 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:32:50 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03276 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:31:20 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA12109 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:24:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23266; Tue, 2 Jul 96 10:11:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31D955F9@msgate>; Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:01:45 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Common Law Firm: oath or affirmation? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 96 10:15:00 PDT Message-Id: <31D955F9@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >I am talking about arresting him/her THE SECOND they >BLATANTLY violate someon'es rights. Can you imagine what a judge would >do when he realized that the guy that just stood up and arrested him was >not alone, but indeed had 50 or more fellow LAWFUL DEPUTIES in the >courtroom to back him up?!! Of course, this will NOT be done >haphazardly...and we will turn them over to the LOCAL authorities (no >cries of kidnapping or anything like that), but we will DEMAND that the >Sherrif convene a grand jury ON THE SPOT and let them determine if there >is any merit to the charges. Can you imagine what this would do >OVERNIGHT to the judicial system in Georgia? A judge would always be >wondering if the courtroom had any of 'those' deputies watching him. > >It's about time we instilled some fear back in the SERVANTS of the people >for a change. Sounds great, BUT. The first logical result I can see from this is that all court rooms (cases) will be "sealed", from public scrutiny. No access except for those people whom the judge deems appropriate. Of course this will raise more anger and questions, but I feel they would try this approach to stifle any further attempts at restoring justice. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:25:18 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03404; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26205 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:43:25 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26201 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:43:21 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25181; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:41:46 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA27481; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:34:08 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01208; Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:24:17 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31DAAA3A@msgate>; Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:13:30 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.022 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: "jon.roland" Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <31DAAA3A@msgate> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Jon, I'm not going to get into this with you again. Although I know you would like to. We shall agree to disagree, if that's acceptable to you. If not, oh well. Go argue your unsubstantiated points with someone else. AFA the language being vague. It has never been more vague than it is today. You, and others, refuse to understand one basically simple concept. BEFORE THEY WERE CALLED LAWYERS, THEY WERE CALLED ESQUIRE. The King CREATED the TITLE of ESQUIRE to reward his loyal subjects who would help him to STEAL from his other less loyal subjects, through the Kings court of law. It goes back further than 200 years ago. Those who refuse to look at the past in its true light, will never see the true light of today. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================== >Also, at that time, there was only ONE BAR association in the world. I'll >give you one guess where it was located. Why do you think it took almost >50 years to pass such an amendment? Because those in places of power, i.e. >public office, didn't want it passed. They would loose their job, and/or >citizenship. That's no myth. It is if it can't be substantiated, and I have seen no such substantiation, other than a fanciful construction of vague language by patriot "word deviners". --Jon From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:25:21 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24098; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26705 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:53:22 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26701 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:53:18 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26542 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:51:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA28235 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:44:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01821; Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:35:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31DAACF0@msgate>; Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:25:04 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.023 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: TITLES OF NOBILITY Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:40:00 PDT Message-Id: <31DAACF0@msgate> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Lots of research has been done towards this end. NOBODY BELIEVES IT!!!! Gee, I wonder why? Is it because there are SOOOO many lawyers around today? Naaa, couldn't be. Again, the lawyers of today are not the problem, per se'. The problem happened a long time ago and in it's original form is more or less gone. But the result of the problem still plagues us to this day. And it will continue to plague us until it is revisited. It is VERY apparent what a Title of Honor or Nobility is, when you read the right stuff. Sir, Lord, Duke, Baron (of which there was once one in my family), Knight, Esquire. There are more to be sure. Also remember these are "given" Titles, not self proclaimed. When you graduated from the Kings law academy you were awarded the Title of Esquire. The King of England started the first law academy, period. End of story. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================== RE: ORIGINAL 13TH I agree, and it seems key is what is a "title of honor or nobility"? Context of amendment seems to imply a title like "sir" or "lord" conferred by a foreign state, but this would have to be thoroughly researched to determine original intent? Is anyone aware of anyone doing this research, especially before making these claims? I keep thinking this may all be rather an academic exercise, anyway. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:32:45 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22254; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20057 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:54:06 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20041 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:54:00 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA07111 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:52:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA17856 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:46:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04274; Mon, 8 Jul 96 16:43:00 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E199A4@msgate>; Mon, 08 Jul 96 16:28:36 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.133 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Common Law Firm: oath or affirmation? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 16:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E199A4@msgate> Encoding: 63 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Danny Zink writes: >History has proven, that mixed races in one government will not endure. >It is against the nature of man. Your statement has no basis in History or fact. It is statements such as this that the media preys upon to give the modern day Patriot a bad name such as, racist or bigot. Please refrain from such thoughts as they are not pure. Tarheel writes: >The natural heart of man is frightfully wicked. Who can fully comprehend >it? I will seek to find my pattern for interracial relations from the Holy >Scripture, the words of the Messiah, and the acts of the Apostles, NOT from >the history of man's actions in his disobediance. As it should be. Danny Zink writes: >All people have their stations in life, and this is predefined in the laws >of nature. This again is an impure thought. It is taken from the thought that some are born to rule, while others should be ruled over. The founding fathers new that your statement was incorrect. "All men are created equal". Danny again writes: >In christian doctrine, a women is not to be above man. It is in this >custom of doctrine that women did not hold a political elected office. >Who are we to deny what the law of nature as predefined and the >law which our father in heaven has set forth. Tarheel writes: >This is certainly true with regard to where the buck stops inside a >marriage, and also with regard to determinations of doctrine and teaching >inside the historical Church. History and the Bible are filled with women >who have stepped forward to put themselves at risk for God when men failed >to do so. I would rather have this one lady Sheriff in office with God and >the Constitution in her heart then a truck load of the slime currently >infesting the office across the nation. IMO, this is a crucial issue. The rights of ALL, or the rights of MEN. I say all have rights, when it comes to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we all do not learn to live together, we will all surely die together. Some things must change in order to survive. This is one of them. People are too well educated to place them back into the dark ages. Look at Iran after the Ayatollah came to power, what a mess. Do we want that kind of transformation here? I think not. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:37:22 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10476; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA16697 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:18:45 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA16693 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:18:42 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02253; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:17:07 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA22248; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:14:03 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09923; Wed, 10 Jul 96 17:09:38 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E4428F@msgate>; Wed, 10 Jul 96 16:53:51 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.223 From: "myhr.lyle" To: patriots Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Eliminate Veterans Day Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 17:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E4428F@msgate> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= ---------- From: Virgil Lawrence To: myhr.lyle; smith.rick Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 3:23PM Telephone number for the Pleasantville NJ Schoolboard On Rush's radio show today (10 Jul), a caller gave the phone number for the Schoolboard that voted to eliminate Veteran's Day and substitute a day that would remember the 400K Man March on Washington by Calipso Louie. Or was it a million men? 1-609-383-6800 Yesterday on Ken Hambin's show, Ken talked to the superintendent of Pleasantville, a town the super described as a "bedroom community" approximately 80 % Black. The super responded to Ken's questions in the affermative about: 1. Did the children say the pledge of alliegance to the flag? 2. Was there an American Flag in each classroom. The super said the board wanted to remember the March on Washington on it's first anniversity since there is not another one planned Any veterans and others who love freedom might want to call the Schoolboard with their comments about the board's action. Pleasantville is just a few miles west of Atlantic City. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:26 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17003; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA06617 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:19:13 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA06613 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:19:10 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17279; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:17:37 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA16879; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:14:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25380; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:03:35 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E541E1@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:03:13 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.236 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Blatant discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E541E1@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= In todays San Jose Mercury News, section B, first page. "Feinstein seeks successor to District Judge Aguilar" For those out of this area, Aguilar was more-or-less forced to resign after being implicated in several wrong doings. Among the things he did was to "inform" a friend of a Federal investigation/wiretap on him. In the column it states that Feinsteins legal allies have been calling South Bay Attorneys to ask for names of LATINO LAWYERS or judges to fill Aguilars seat. This is BLATANT discrimination. But I guess it's OK if you're a Senator, looking to fill the vacant seat of a corrupt federal judge who BTW was a LATINO himself. I have nothing against LATINOS, just discrimination. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:38 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19640; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13113 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:28:19 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13109 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:28:15 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA06036 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:26:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA29899 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:24:01 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02219; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:16:23 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E56F0B@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:15:55 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.240 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Direction and priorities Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E56F0B@msgate> Encoding: 47 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Gentlemen, the corruption we are talking about is not GRAFT. It is not >thievery. It is not abuse of power. It is TREASON. Let's start treating >it for what it is. I've been saying that for some time now. BRAVO! >===MINUTEMEN OF THE COURTS > >II. Knowing that we may not have the support for what ought to be done, >then I have suggested a "counsellor's association". This association is not >a ABA alternative, but an ABA enemy. The association would seek to bring >forward as many non-barred counsellors as that could be recruited. Teaching >and training everyone how to throw monkey wrenches into the "injustice >system". We may never win a case, but we fight our Revolution in the >courts, day in and day out. > >My thought is to publish our material via the Net or BBS for free, and to >charge money for those cases we get directly involved in. Make available >your documents and knowledge for others to research for NO COST. But when >they call for help -- you charge them a fair rate. In a revolution you >don't ask the foot soldiers to buy the guns. We give them the tools and the >manuals on how to fight the Revolution, when they need a good leader, then >they must pay for the leader. But for God's sake my friends -- give them >the arms to fight. > >The Counsellor's Association would be any counsellor that is without the >bar, and makes a statement that they seek that the American Republic be >restored. LET'S RALLY AROUND THAT WORD -- REPUBLIC. If we can bring that >word forward -- it could off this stank and dark DEMOCRACY. OUTSTANDING! As for myself, and mine, we shall gladly be counted in your ranks. BRAVO! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Remember the Republic From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:38:35 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20126; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:41:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13332 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:14 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13328 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:11 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07315; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:37:34 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA00786; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:34:02 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02862; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:27:06 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E5718D@msgate>; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:26:37 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.239 From: "myhr.lyle" To: patriots Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Interesting letter from the IRS Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:30:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E5718D@msgate> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Today I received a notice from the IRS, Fresno office, that there will be a "delay in processing your refund". It is for the year 1994, they say I have "overpaid" my taxes by $528.47, which BTW is EXACTLY the same amount that they stole from me with the help of my employer a few months ago. A curious way to get out of admitting wrong-doing in the theft of money. They didn't coerce my employer to send it to them with a "phoney" NOTICE OF LEVY. I simply overpaid. Well silly me. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Still not paying income tax. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:29 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12549; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08260 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:08:30 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08255 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:08:27 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02945 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:06:54 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA00526 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:04:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01132; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:55:44 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E69161@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:54:41 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.269 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Submission for Docket Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:00:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E69161@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Counsellors, This is something that should be discussed amongst our group. How to nail these SOB's for violating the oath of office. I submit this as something for our "docket". Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: kerry To: myhr.lyle Subject: Re: LLAW: Blatant discrimination Date: Thursday, July 11, 1996 7:34PM Lyle, You guys are going to have to find a way to get (s)he Feinstein out of office. Maybe there is a way, through the Oath of Office procedure? And then Scheumer, and then Spechcter (the "magic-bullet" that killed Kennedy theorist), and the rest of the ones that vote pro-UN, etc. Kerry From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:34 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05690; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:54:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09013 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:48 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09009 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:43 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06633 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:37:11 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03120 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:34:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02348; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:19:28 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E696F0@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:18:24 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.271 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Urgent help needed Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:23:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E696F0@msgate> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >>I am making an appeal to anyone who is currently working for an "employer" >>and has convinced them with all the necessary paperwork not to withhold Fed >>and FICA taxes. Dan > >Go to any Taco Bell and ask for an employment application. Take it with >you. You will see that the social security number is optional. They got >sued by someone with the assistance of the EEOC(!). > >If you don't provide the employer with an SS number, they cannot withhold >the taxes. You can show them the Taco Bell application and convince them >they should do the same as Taco Bell. This is the most logical and informative information posted on this subject. GO TO YOUR NEAREST TACO BELL. Run for the border! I'm going to do it today just to have one! Even though my employer is already NOT withholding income taxes. Dan you can contact me and I'll tell you how I filled out my paperwork. myhr@ulinear.com Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:40:37 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org (ultimate.org [204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29193; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09476 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:48:34 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA09469 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:48:28 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07592 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:46:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA03827 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:44:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03052; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:41:02 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31E69BFC@msgate>; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:39:56 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.272 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: New Counsellor Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <31E69BFC@msgate> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= >Therefore Mr. Justice and Mr. Constable, I would like to submit the following >counsellors from the Jefferson Book Club for membership to the Liberty Law >List: > >John Michael; Manuola jmichael@hooked.net >Haywood Lloyd; Alexander suijuri1@ix.netcom.com >Marc Harris; Kaplin plp3880@aol.com >Franklin Bruce; Lunn viger@metro.NET >Carol Lynn; Johnson kagillion@earthlink.net > >I personally recommend and repsectfully submit the above named Citizens in >Party to litigate on the Liberty Law List. > >Respectfully >John Edward; Burr, Sui juris Having attended one of their meetings I will vouch for the character of the group. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:42:58 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org ([204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03269; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02912 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:01:00 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA02892 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:00:07 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26117; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:58:25 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA06871; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:54:32 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20268; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:41:51 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EABA5D@msgate>; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:38:37 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.316 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: RE: The State: Public Enemy No. 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EABA5D@msgate> Encoding: 53 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Someone writes: >Suppose you are the owner of a fish market, and during the course of your business someone comes into your store and offers to sell you some abalone. The price is right, so you buy it. The next thing you know you?re in handcuffs, under arrest for illegal possession of abalone. It turns out that the guy who offered to sell the abalone to you was a State agent from the Department of Fish and Game. Insult is added to injury, for now the State tells you it is going to confiscate your business, as it was used in the commission of a crime. This confiscation is called ?civil forfeiture.? Do you see anything wrong with this scene? It happens all the time, and various State agencies are becoming fabulously rich at other?s expense. What I have described above is called ?entrapment.? It is illegal, and any action committed by one as a result of the entrapment, as a matter of law, is vitiated. ?Entrapment ? is defined as the inducement by a legal authority to commit a crime. It involves an offering, to plant of an idea in another?s mind to commit a crime. Entrapment is against the law. It always has been. The scenario presented here can be and has been with regularity extended to the buying of ?illegal drugs.? Next thing the guy knows who bought some devil weed is his car and home have been confiscated by the State. State and local agencies have found that civil forfeiture is a fast and wonderful means by which to supplement their incomes. Civil forfeitures proceed without reference to any constitutional restrictions. Further, there is no redress even if found innocent of any wrong doing. Government has been vacated. The people of America are at the mercy of a criminal sydicalist organization called the ?Welfare State.? No private property is safe. The State is in the business of terror, something the Familia Cosa Nostra was noted for. You may very well be the next victim of these lunatics. Don?t you think it?s high time we put these bastards out of business for good? < My sentiments exactly. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 16 23:43:05 1996 Received: from www.ultimate.org ([204.119.16.19]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26798; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA25707 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:20:15 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by www.ultimate.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA25699 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:20:02 -0700 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27451; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:18:30 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA00929; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:16:04 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11086; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:15:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EBCD38@msgate>; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:11:20 PDT X-UIDL: 837584198.319 From: "myhr.lyle" To: Gregory Berger Cc: Liberty Law , patriots Subject: LLAW: RE: W4 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EBCD38@msgate> Encoding: 77 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark Constable: Robert Happy Clerk: Majordomo ======================================================================= Contact the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. I don't know if they are still taking cases such as this or not, it's worth asking. ------------------------------------ >Dear Mr. Berger, >As per conversations you have had with (X) and (Y) regarding paperwork >required to be completed by Federal Law; your employment with (Z) will be >terminated effective today, July 10, 1996. What SPECIFIC Federal Law are they talking about? Do THEY know? Or are they being TOLD? Hint: There isn't one! >Your first day of employment was Monday, July 1, 1996 and I have not >received any paperwork from you. By Federal Law you have seventy two (72) >hours to complete your I-9 Form that authorizes you to work in the United >States. You refused to provide the documentation to support that >authorization or to sign the form, therefore, (Z) is unable to employ you. But (Z) did employ you, even if it was for a short time. I take it you have been fired? Play hard ball! >(Z) is a private company in the State of Ohio and is bound by all Federal, >State and Local laws that apply. Which are? Make them SHOW you the law. Since I asked my employer to show me, they have acquiesced. >Upon submitting all of the original paperwork that you currently have in >your possession (that you originally signed), your payroll check will be >mailed to you at the address given to you by us, the employer. This is coercion, theft, blackmail, illegal conversion of funds, etc, etc. If you did ANY work for them, they owe you money, regardless. >Any questions or comment should be directed to me by correspondence only, >and mailed to the office. Send a Notice and Demand to show cause. Send a Demand for payment. (All documents should be witnessed by two people, not related to you.) -------------------------------- >The only thing that I filled out was an application for employment. I >refused to sign the I-9, W4, A State of Ohio form, and an Electronic funds >tranfer form. ( that electronic transfer form scared the h-ll out of me ) >Just what is this I-9 anyway? What does a guy do about it? The I-9, is to purportedly replace the use of your birth cirtificate, when proving you are a "citizen", who can indeed work in this country. I've never filled one out. You can fill out a W-4 "correctly" and not pay taxes. You need to slam these people with the fear of the law, since they have already fired you. Send them notice that you will sue to get your money that is owed to you. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. >Greg Berger, From ???@??? Thu Jul 18 12:15:52 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08463 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05003 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:48:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA08241 for pmitch@primenet.com; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:44:41 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18300; Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:38:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31EE7553@msgate>; Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:33:07 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re:military plane? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:41:00 PDT Message-Id: <31EE7553@msgate> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I must have missed this one. When, where, who. More details please, please. Lyle =========================================================== Finally, a planeload of military people were en route to arrest Clinton, after OKC, when it was blown out of the sky. Motives, anybody? ============================================================ Paul Andrew, Mitchell: pmitch@primenet.com fax: (520) 323-3922 (24-hour) ============================================================ From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:12 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14077 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20451 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:17:28 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25097 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:14:37 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26659; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:10:32 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE4143@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:07:15 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: Montana Freemen Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:14:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE4143@msgate> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: I thought LeRoy was supposed to be in lockdown? Has that changed? If he is able to be contacted in person there are others who could deliver your papers. You want them delivered to LeRoy, and not the court? I can FAX or Email to people in Helena. "Tarheel" knows the people of 'Justus', maybe he would be a better choice to get stuff to LeRoy. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: Paul Andrew Mitchell To: myhr.lyle Cc: libertylaw Subject: Montana Freemen Date: Monday, July 29, 1996 10:22PM --=====================_838729372==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lyle, Is there any way you can get the following brief to LeRoy Schweitzer? I am considering a removal action from Garfield County court into His common law court. What do you think? /s/ Paul From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:13 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16010; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:37:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09960 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:33 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09952 for libertylaw; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09948 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:24 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20564; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:17:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA25091; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:14:33 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27003; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:13:27 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE41F2@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:10:10 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: behold Subject: LLAW: Ending government contracts Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:18:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE41F2@msgate> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= When you want to end a contract you have entered into with the Federal government or any of its agencies, that you believe was entered into under fraudulent conditions, you do not RESCIND your contract. You should RECANT any statements made by yourself, and EXPUNGE the contract for FRAUD. This applies to such things as your SSN, and DL. Comments please? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Jul 30 16:40:29 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19701; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA13930 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:51:00 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA13923 for libertylaw; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:50:53 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13921 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:50:52 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02658 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:47:15 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA02291 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:44:06 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01507; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:37:40 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FE55AC@msgate>; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:34:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Ending government contracts Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:42:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FE55AC@msgate> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= ( I'm really beginning to dislike the way this system cuts off the last few lines of messages.) When you want to end a contract you have entered into with the Federal government or any of its agencies, that you believe was entered into under fraudulent conditions, you do not RESCIND your contract. You should RECANT any statements made by yourself, and EXPUNGE the contract for FRAUD. This applies to such things as your SSN, and DL. Comments please? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:21 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24749; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08604 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08595 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:10 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08593 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:09 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23755; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:07:52 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA08039; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:04:27 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06373; Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:56:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FF8F3B@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:52:11 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Tarheel Cc: Liberty Law Subject: Re: LLAW: Ending government contracts Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FF8F3B@msgate> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= 16. In 1942, the Supreme Court handed down a ruling in a case involving the Agriculture Adjustment Act. It contained the folllowing terse statement issued by Justice Robert H. Jackson: "It is hardly lack of due process for the government to regulate that which it subsidizes." Whickard v. Filburn, 311 U.S. 111. Turn down subsidies or be willingly regulated. What is a subsidy? Everything which the government spends money on. Medicine, cars, roads, insurance, schools, on and on. Come out from among them My children. ------------------------------------------------- Good points. So if the government pays for *some* medical research, that may or may not ever affect me, I must be regulated. Even when I buy what I need myself, without subsidy? Since the government *pays* the contractor to build the road I drive on, I must be regulated, even though it is *my* money that the government pays the contractor with? Since the government *purports* that education in its system of schools is mandatory, and as a property owner I am *forced* to pay taxes to support their system of education, whether or not I have ever had any use of their system of education, I must be regulated? Since the government subsidises insurance companies, through lower corporate tax rates and most importantly *mandated* coverage by law, I must be regulated? Do you see how every single argument is bass-ackwards? It is the industries involved in their dealings with the government and us that must be regulated. We are just regulated as a mater of course, and because it is necessary for them to accomplish their major goal. JMO Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:26 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08368; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09015 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:47 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09008 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09006 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:41:41 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28994; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:38:06 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA10422; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:34:54 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07458; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:21:50 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FF953F@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:17:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Treaty to usurp the Constitution, again. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 10:26:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FF953F@msgate> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= An International "Treaty" designed to combat terrorist attacks in the future, is being agreed upon right now. Janet Reno is in Paris, France along with members from 25 other countries. She finds it "incredible" that no such International Law currently exists. The first two points of agreement on their list are: 1) Better regulate the manufacture and sale of *firearms*, explosives and "any device designed to cause violent injury, damage or destruction." 2) Seek ways to prevent terrorists from using electronic and wire communications. These are two things that we fight with here every day, lately. The right to keep arms, and freedom of speech. Now they are planning to usurp our Constitution by International treaty once again. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 16:01:38 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10709; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA10142 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:17 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA10135 for libertylaw; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:15 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10133 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:41:14 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA08493 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:37:38 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA15397 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:34:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09658; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:23:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <31FFA3C7@msgate>; Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:19:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: FW: Nevada Legislators Expunge Con Con Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 11:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <31FFA3C7@msgate> Encoding: 104 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org Status: ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I got this from Kerry.......I can't forward the entire article from here, I have a two page limit. Lyle ============================================================ From: comminc@fortnet.org (Committee to Restore the Constitution) Subject: Nevada Legislators Expunge Con Con NEVADA LAWMAKERS EXPUNGE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION Citing the cautionary words of former Chief Justice Warren Burger, who said on 30 January 1987, "There is no way to put a muzzle on a constitutional convention", Nevada lawmakers, during the 64th session, 1987 Legislature, approved withdrawal of a previous request for a constitutional convention by a 39 to 2 majority. Adoption of Assembly Joint Resolution No. 25, chief sponsor Assemblyman Bob Price with forty-one co-sponsors, challenged the State's call on Congress for a convention 'limited to proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States which would require a balanced federal budget'. "While concern about the lack of a balanced federal budget still exists", said the legislators, "a greater concern exists over the possibility of plunging our nation into the uncertainty of a constitutional convention which might subject the fundamental document which has provided stability, security and liberty to Americans for 200 years to innumerable and possibly radical changes." Public hearing on AJR #25 was held 27 March 1987 before the Committee on Legislative Functions, Nevada State Legislature, Assemblyman Myrna Williams, Chairman. On the roster of constitutionally-oriented citizens who testified in favor of the resolution was Mr T David Horton, Legal Counsel, Committee to Restore the Constitution. Applauding State lawmakers for their action to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, Mr Horton introduced a unique option, "A Resolution Expunging Call for Federal Constitutional Convention". "Expunge" procedure offers to state legislators wrestling with the Con Con problem a solution to the question of whether or not a state may rescind a request to Congress for a constitutional convention once made. In his testimony Attorney Horton suggested: "The question that I see in AJR #25 is one that was touched on by Mr Getto as to whether this is a one-way street. There has been a lot of talk about the Constitutional Convention. Ordinarily this talk comes in the form of rulings made by people whose philosophies are generally simplest. The one-way street that they put the States on with regard to ratification of the Constitution is a clear indication of a possible danger with regard to requesting a Constitutional Convention. "In order to remove that doubt, I've distributed to the members of this committee, a proposed resolution which would handle the matter without giving rise to the question of whether or not a State may rescind a request once it is made. "The expunging approach has this advantage that instead of saying, back in 1980 we did something in a constitutional posture and we want to undo it. If the expunging approach is used, then that kills it from the outset. "This particular device was used in the expunging of the Senate censure of President Jackson. Some of the language in this proposed Nevada resolution is taken from that legislative history where they expunged that resolution that many Senators later thought they had no business adopting. "It is for that reason that the findings here, which are not recitals, but are set forth as findings, are to the effect that first, the reason for adopting it was to try to balance the budget. It turns out that the reason the Nevada legislature was induced to approve it was because of the belief that this was the proper device for accomplishing that. And, that it would be undone in the event that it happened to be a mistake. Now that particular representation happens not to have been correct and, therefore, paragraph two in the 'expunge' resolution points out that the Constitution does not provide for a single issue Constitutional Convention. "The third point is that it is not a change in the present US Constitution that is needed to balance the federal budget so much as it is an issue of whether we can cause the federal agencies to honor the present Constitution. In other words it is constitutional enforcement, not constitutional change that is needed if we want to balance the federal budget." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- RESOLVED, That certified copies of this resolution, together with the expunged portion of the Assembly Journal be forwarded to the Governor, the Senate of the State of Nevada, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States, the Vice President of the United States as President of the Senate and the Nevada Congressional Delegation. **************************************************************************** Archibald E Roberts, LtCol, AUS, ret, Director Committee to Restore the Constitution, Inc Post Office Box 986 Fort Collins CO 80522 Web Page: http://www.fortnet.org/~comminc From ???@??? Mon Aug 05 11:01:50 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA28951 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08968 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:48:00 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA21273 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:46:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20412; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:48:09 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32063341@msgate>; Mon, 05 Aug 96 10:45:37 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Re: LLAW: Bouvier's Law Dictionary Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 10:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <32063341@msgate> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: b7fcd3a9987a512e9dfccde0ffcf8f9a I got this twice, for some reason. It seems that I get everything from Jon Roland twice. Why is that? Does anybody know? ================================================== I sometimes get up to SIX identical posts from Jon-boy, the spam king. I got this same message twice also. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Aug 05 16:59:02 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA29665; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:46:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15486 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:43:03 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA15479 for libertylaw; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:42:59 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15477 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:42:58 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16167; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:38:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA19478; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:34:25 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04127; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:35:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32068484@msgate>; Mon, 05 Aug 96 16:32:20 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Dennis Clark'" , jrr Cc: Liberty Law , patriots Subject: LLAW: Gas additive legislation (CA) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 16:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <32068484@msgate> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: edf873f839ed00065895be71bfd30cd2 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Has anyone heard of the now pending legislation in California to add a concoction to our fuel which will ultimately cause our fuel lines to split and could cause CAR FIRES! Also pending is a law to eliminate vehicles over four years old. (rumor mill?) The fuel additive will have the same initial effect as a year restriction, as the newer cars will have different types of fittings on their fuel lines. Then after we are *used to* getting_rid_of_a_four_year_old_car_, they will pass the second suggested law!!! Catch it on www.ksfo560.com They are planning to run this by the Governor BEFORE this FRIDAY!!!!!! There is supposed to be a rally in Sacramento Aug 21st. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Aug 06 12:54:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA05278; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02165 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA02158 for libertylaw; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:51 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02156 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:51:46 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27902 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:48:14 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA12390 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:45:55 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04875; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:42:54 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3207916B@msgate>; Tue, 06 Aug 96 11:39:39 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Taxes and Citizenship Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 11:47:00 PDT Message-Id: <3207916B@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 0b63a454b5ef05dcaaaaec7ed5ca4244 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >> >>"Frivolous" is their label when the >>feds are desperate (i.e. cannot >>think of anything better). >> > >This brings me back to an earlier question which got lost when the list went >down. How does one quickly get around the "frivolous" defense? IMO, to state that an argument is "frivolous", without any substantiation, is in itself "frivolous". We are being stonewalled in a very open and devious manner. It is so open and devious, that most refuse to believe it. No, they wouldn't do that! Remember, an Affidavit can not "simply" be dismissed as being frivolous. It must be answered, point for point. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Aug 08 22:01:46 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA22255; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01657 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:36 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01648 for libertylaw; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:34 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01646 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:45:33 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00617 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:42:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA02989 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:34:11 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29311; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:26:20 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <320A848D@msgate>; Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:21:33 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: CIEL What is a Sovereign citizen Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:31:00 PDT Message-Id: <320A848D@msgate> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9dd43e9d6f594ccc1f60b049f91579e9 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >However, I do respect the rights of individuals and proprietors to >discriminate on race. However, this right is a private right, not something >that can be brought over into American public institutions, not at this >point in time. > >~Tom Clark Very nicely stated. It is an individual right to discriminate, for individual reasons. It is not a state or publicly sanctioned activity. As it should be. It is the ultimate level of the "freedom of speech". It, of course, goes without saying that all do not use this right in the same manner. Further, you can not necessarily use this right with impunity. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Mon Aug 12 20:23:04 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id PAA26183; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA16578 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:57 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA16570 for libertylaw; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:53 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16566 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:05:51 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA14287 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:02:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA16691 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:54:33 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06235; Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:45:26 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <320FA55C@msgate>; Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:42:52 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Indirect taxes or direct taxes Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 14:50:00 PDT Message-Id: <320FA55C@msgate> Encoding: 57 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: ccf2be8c0108906fbb39cd8a22d3a52f Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >That's my point: you can avoid the tax by not participating in the event. >However, it is unreasonable to ask us not to participate in certain events >(like cars, telephone service) Lyle comments: We should separate "participation" from "paying for services". The biggest loophole in the world and we all have fallen for it. When I pay a "business" for services, am I resigning any of my rights? Am I joining a "commune" where there are "different" rules for life? No. I am paying for services, much like paying your mechanic, or gardener. We have been led to believe that one of the things that "ties" us into being a "federal citizen" is all of the "so-called" hidden contracts that we are duped into signing. If that be the case, then they can all be rescinded, or expunged. >>As for gasoline and utility taxes, I would submit that the use of >>gasoline engines on the public ways is damaging to the environment, and >>is therefore an activity that can be taxed for revenue purposes >Is this your opinion, or the actual fact? Our government shouldn't run on >opinion and speculation, it should run on lawfully enacted statutes. :-) Lyle comments: Obviously it was an opinion. IMO, "tree-hugging" should be taxed. 8-)) The first question that should be asked is who is "really" doing the polluting? Is it the car owner, who has little choice of what fuel to purchase? Or is it the fuel manufacturer, who refuses to produce environmentally safe fuel? I don't think you need five PHD's to understand the answer. >>Power and >>phone transmission lines are ugly and unsightly, and I guess it is >>possible for some people to argue that makes these activities >>taxable for revenue purposes Lyle comments: I'd hate to have you on my city council. Or on some governmental committee. >This ought to be the phone companies problem to work out with the customer, >not the government. Which they do already. In many "newer" communities the power and phone lines are all underground. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? 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Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Aug 16 10:38:09 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA06646; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA18528 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:42 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA18521 for libertylaw; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:40 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18519 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25219 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:07:47 -0700 Received: from galaxy.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA14649 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:04:19 -0700 Received: from msgate (mspost) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14009; Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:01:08 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3214A81D@msgate>; Fri, 16 Aug 96 09:55:57 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Boy Scouts Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <3214A81D@msgate> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 90f7eedf158061653e65a33064840553 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= This could be why the BSA is currently being sued to allow homosexuals to join and/or lead them. They are "Federally" chartered. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ---------- From: owner-libertylaw To: libertylaw Cc: libertylaw Subject: Re: LLAW: Audit Experience? Date: Friday, August 16, 1996 1:15AM ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Tarheel wrote: > ======================================================================= > LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA > Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing > ======================================================================= > At 10:35 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> > >I never knew Congress chartered corporations. Authority? > > > >--Andrew Lehr > >Common Law Network > > > > > Tarheel has no cite, but presents the fact that Congress chartered the Boy > Scouts of America in 1909, which is regularly sued as a corporation would > be. You local BSA office could provide a copy of the charter. > ------------------------------------------------- > Tarheel > Sovereign Christian Resource Center > > MIRRORED WEB SITES: > http://www.caprica.com/~scrc > http://www.cogent.net/~scrc > tarheel@zekes.com > > Confirms my understanding that federal chartering is only used in special or unusual cases, is the exception to primary role of states in chertering or registering (usually the latter nowadays) corps, and leaves a hole in the assertion made. --Andrew Lehr Common Law Network From ???@??? Thu Aug 22 10:38:14 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA24768; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08717 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:27:02 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08710 for libertylaw; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:27:00 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08707 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:26:55 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21924 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:23:05 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA20128 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:15:31 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01869; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:18:55 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10178; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:16:21 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <321C95D4@msgate>; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:16:04 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: RE: LLAW: state Sup Ct help Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <321C95D4@msgate> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: cafce239b2501a814867558bf24b68a5 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >Time to push hard against driver licenses >and vehicle registration. Let's FOIA those >Manufacturer's Statements of Origin (MSO), >then default them when they fall silent. >The corporate states are holding these >MSO's in due course (a holder in due course), >after having fraudulently obtained the MSO's >in the first place, from the original sellers >(i.e. the auto dealers). > >================================================= >Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com >ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state >================================================= Good idea. Maybe a class action suit could be filed against the auto dealers association for misrepresenting the sale. Hit them both and maybe one will flinch. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sun Sep 01 14:56:01 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA11404 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00848; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:43:34 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA18935; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:34:03 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16926; Sun, 1 Sep 96 13:31:57 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24400; Sun, 1 Sep 96 13:31:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3229F1ED@msgate>; Sun, 01 Sep 96 13:28:29 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: John Burr Cc: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: URGENT Date: Sun, 01 Sep 96 13:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <3229F1ED@msgate> Encoding: 69 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: 04447fe5c06784c0275d8f44fe76d515 Hi John, I have just been busted for "cultivation" they want to add "with intent to sell" because I have a scale. Somebody turned me in as they are not visible from the street, and "aerial" would have brought in more. I am in good standing in my neighborhood, and they are already planning a "Letter to the Editor" campaign in my behalf. Five minutes after arriving home from work on Friday.... "Ten" armed agents rushed into my house when I opened my door to "see" who was walking in my yard. My biggest concern at that point wasn't the "little lady" who had grabbed me by my T-shirt in my chest and was sticking her little semi-auto inches from my nose. It was that nobody get hurt, or go off and shoot my two dogs who are "family dogs" trained to love us. They were trying to protect their home from the invasion of ten armed people. I'm telling the dogs to lay down as this bitch is telling me "I'm lucky my face isn't on the floor". What a day. My house was searched and my garage and cars. The plants were cut down, *most* of my stash was taken. Some literature about cultivation and such was also taken. ALL OF MY GUNS WERE TAKEN. They were very disappointed that they were all legal. They still have them. They haven't charged me yet, but they probably will. They asked me to inform on others. They asked if I knew where to get "illegal guns or explosives". My scanner and frequency book, available at any "Radio-Shack" dissident supply outlet, was also taken. The only things on the warrant were "Pot related". I didn't know guns and radios were pot related. They didn't do a "complete" search and trashing of my home, as after the first three minutes of terror, in which they had completely secured the area, they relaxed enough to look around and see that I'm not your "typical druggie being busted". I have a nice home. My wife has the dubious "honor" of having the cleanest house these people have ever busted. Do you have any advice? I've been reeding the Wallen stuff. Does it apply here in California as well. From the looks of it she has already been convicted, and is appealing. Is she in jail? Something however, remains "different" about this bust. From accounts I have heard from other people "they" usually just come to your door and say "we've come for your plants". Why the guns? Why TEN of them. The "Mystery Women". Two women, mid thirties, dressed "better than housewives", were seen being escorted down my driveway to "view" the plants during the bust. Who were they? They were overheard saying, "It's show and tell time". And, "They're so pretty". I was also "advised" by the arresting officers that they would be "disappointed" if I came back with a Lawyer. Our entire street now lives in fear of the local law enforcement. They all know now that we are not safe in our own homes. "They" can come and take whatever they want, whenever "they" want it. Call me. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. 408-249-4810 From ???@??? Mon Sep 02 19:56:44 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA20794 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16692 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:33:35 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA25012 for pmitch@primenet.com; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:24:02 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19256; Mon, 2 Sep 96 16:16:00 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12535; Mon, 2 Sep 96 16:15:57 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322B69B3@msgate>; Mon, 02 Sep 96 16:11:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: RE: URGENT Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 16:21:00 PDT Message-Id: <322B69B3@msgate> Encoding: 108 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: d32a814723670464bd212d520a1c479d >I'll do everything I can, Lyle, >but I do have rent to pay and >food to buy. You know, those >sorts of things. Understood. I will compensate for time. >>I am in good standing in my neighborhood, and they are already >>planning a "Letter to the Editor" campaign in my behalf. > >No, don't bother them with that. >Hold seminars on federal jurisdiction >and the like instead. You will become >a folk hero. Letters to the editor >do nothing, because they get screened. >Invite the local cops to your seminars, >judges and lawyers too. You will >astound them. Will confer with John Burr as soon as he contacts me. I have lost his phone number. >>ALL OF MY GUNS WERE TAKEN. > >Did the warrant specify guns >in particular? Not at all. >> They were very disappointed >>that they were all legal. They still have them. They haven't charged >>me yet, but they probably will. > >Who are "they"? Get specific, and do so now. >Were they federal or state police? It makes >a difference. The San Jose City police, i.e. Town Clowns. >>They asked me to inform on others. >>They asked if I knew where to get "illegal guns or explosives". >> >>My scanner and frequency book, available at any "Radio-Shack" >>dissident supply outlet, was also taken. >> >>The only things on the warrant were "Pot related". > >So, the guns were taken without a warrant, correct? YES. >>I didn't know guns >>and radios were pot related. > >Warrant is thus overbroad, >and therefore null and void. >>Do you have any advice? I've been reeding the Wallen >>stuff. Does it apply here in California as well. > >Of course it does. It is applicable >nationwide, in state and federal actions. >Would you please prepare a detailed description, >now, while your memory is sharp about recent >events, of each and everything that happened, >down to the last little detail that you can >remember? Do this immediately, and then I can >review it here for you, for changes. Then, >you will convert it into an affidavit. I will forward the five pages I have already written on the subject from my home email. Respond to this at 71552.2725@compuserve.com >>I was also "advised" by the arresting officers that they would be >>"disappointed" if I came back with a Lawyer. > >Don't get a lawyer, whatever you do. >Begin right now to get names, and >credentials. Collect all the paperwork >you already have, and start itemizing >names for FOIA requests which you will >submit to their Disclosure Officers >for credentials. Get this going right >NOW, so the clock is ticking against them. Names of the officers? What credentials? >>Call me. >Can't. No long distance. >Can you continue here with email? Yes, but prefer home address for now. 71552.2725@compuserve.com >>408-249-4810 > >where is this? South Bay? San Jose, yes South Bay. Thanks for the response. I may call you this evening. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? 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Tue Sep 03 10:47:32 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA01448 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA27710 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:44:16 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id JAA23418 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:34:13 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21570; Tue, 3 Sep 96 09:34:52 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12686; Tue, 3 Sep 96 09:34:48 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322C5D11@msgate>; Tue, 03 Sep 96 09:30:09 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: more docs Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 09:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <322C5D11@msgate> Encoding: 2 TEXT, 109 UUENCODE X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Ms-Attachment: LETTER.DOC 4608 09-02-1996 13:55 X-UIDL: 26ee4b5065cdc0f0b1768cb97dc346ba [[ LETTER.DOC : 2372 in LETTER.DOC ]] The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. 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Tue Sep 03 14:34:41 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA28221 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21671 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:33:24 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA08825 for pmitch@primenet.com; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:24:04 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23838; Tue, 3 Sep 96 14:12:04 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20647; Tue, 3 Sep 96 14:12:01 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322C9E02@msgate>; Tue, 03 Sep 96 14:07:14 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Subject: Documents Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 14:16:00 PDT Message-Id: <322C9E02@msgate> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: db78cf2579174bf155bb5c417604d582 Paul, I would like you to post all the files that I sent you. Put them everywhere you can if you don't mind. It's too big for me to post from here. Thanks Lyle From ???@??? Wed Sep 04 15:11:08 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA21846; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA19105 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:25 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA19095 for libertylaw; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:23 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19093 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:31:21 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06077; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:26:22 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA26238; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:17:01 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29124; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:07:12 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17464; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:07:07 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322DC408@msgate>; Wed, 04 Sep 96 11:01:44 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Public Notice Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 11:12:00 PDT Message-Id: <322DC408@msgate> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: ca43fe73dd6ae8ae679ff28a99f1efa5 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= To my fellow Patriots and Counselors Friday last, I was busted for "cultivation of Marijuana". They want to tack on "with intent to sell". Because I have a scale. They made an over zealous RAID on my home in my quiet little community. My neighbors know me, love me, and support me. They were TERRIFIED by the TEN ARMED policemen and women who INVADED my home at 5pm on Friday. Whether or not you agree with the "personal use" of Marijuana or ANY OTHER "so-called" controlled substance, consider the following. It took a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT (18th I believe) to PROHIBIT the consumption and manufacture of ALCOHOL. It took another AMENDMENT to REPEAL the prohibition amendment. Which AMENDMENT PROHIBITS me, or you, from growing smoking, eating, or selling Marijuana? It isn't there. During the execution of the search warrant, which is VOID, they VIOLATED my Rights, under the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th, 9th, and 10th Amendments. Also read the Book of Genesis, where God "gives man all seed-bearing plants for FOOD". The Marijuana plant, as a source of FOOD, is second only to the "Soy bean" for PROTEIN content. It is a FOOD source. For MAN to deny its use to other men, is blasphemous. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Sep 04 15:11:13 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA28350; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:39:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA19052 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:30:43 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA19037 for libertylaw; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:30:39 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19032 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:30:37 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06083; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:26:24 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA26244; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:17:05 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29152; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:14:50 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17687; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:14:46 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322DC5D2@msgate>; Wed, 04 Sep 96 11:09:22 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Letter to my neighbors Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 11:20:00 PDT Message-Id: <322DC5D2@msgate> Encoding: 6 TEXT, 109 UUENCODE X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Ms-Attachment: LETTER.DOC 4608 09-02-1996 13:55 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: bcf8681b6f473ce1d7720dac0f5f4986 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= A letter to my neighbors. This file is in MSWord (Dos 3.x-5.x) format. [[ LETTER.DOC : 2912 in LETTER.DOC ]] The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. Attachment Converted: C:\ATTACH\LETTER1.DOC From ???@??? Wed Sep 04 15:55:16 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA15039; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:37:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA24299 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:09:12 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA24292 for libertylaw; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:09:07 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA24290 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:09:06 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19215; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:05:13 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA06743; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:04:24 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00649; Wed, 4 Sep 96 14:01:20 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23142; Wed, 4 Sep 96 14:01:15 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <322DECD3@msgate>; Wed, 04 Sep 96 13:55:47 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: patriots Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: James Brady goes Demo... Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 14:05:00 PDT Message-Id: <322DECD3@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: f8d1bc3e5b4901d95e1657d300be2073 Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I was flipping channels the other day, and came across the opening night's speeches for the Democratic Convention. I was quite surprised to see James Brady on the dais. But then, I thought about it awhile and it makes sense. If you take a Republican and shoot out major portions of his brains, I guess it's not too surprising you might end up with a Democrat... ---- End Forwarded Message From ???@??? Fri Sep 06 17:32:45 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA26185; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:15:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA02155 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:01:09 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01775 for libertylaw; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:59:43 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01758 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:59:37 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16899; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:54:50 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA17182; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:54:16 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17942; Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:43:12 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04065; Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:43:07 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32308B41@msgate>; Fri, 06 Sep 96 13:36:17 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: Home Subject: LLAW: New member Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 13:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <32308B41@msgate> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9e121892c3d503a618aa398d33f5e53b ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Lyle votes in the affirmative. Welcome aboard. > >> >>Dr. Douglas W. Schell >>Professor of Business and Economics >>1709 Crest Dr. >>Aberdeen, NC 28315 >>office (910) 521-6463 home voice/fax (910) 944-5757 >> >> >> From ???@??? Wed Sep 11 10:32:45 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA16778; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:12:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA29823 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:10:24 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA29816 for libertylaw; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:10:21 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29814 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:10:19 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25191 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:06:09 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA10095 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:04:49 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17690; Wed, 11 Sep 96 09:58:01 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10866; Wed, 11 Sep 96 09:57:52 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3236ED2F@msgate>; Wed, 11 Sep 96 09:47:43 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Signatures & Contractual Obligations Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 10:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <3236ED2F@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 18c9169fb584f7519b5e298645196732 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= > >On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Charles Marcus wrote: > > > Rick Schramm says these new no-signature affidavit responses are > >"Working like a Shot". > > I'll be ordering it immediately upon my arrival home. Thanks for the > info! I am making a list of stuff to order, and will be compiling > everything I can, and then start from scratch, question everything, and > try to figure out, for myself, just what i going on here...is it > 'law-martial' as Mr Wangrud claims? Is it 'The Federal Zone' run amok? > Or is it pure and simple 'ignorance of the law', that has been used to > HIDE the real law from everyone? What is this all about? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Sep 12 17:01:40 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id NAA15739; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA27471 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:40:18 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA27464 for libertylaw; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:40:15 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27462 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:40:13 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20878 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:36:11 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id NAA29591 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:34:19 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27343; Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:29:57 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18969; Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:29:49 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3238729E@msgate>; Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:29:18 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Constitution Convention. Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <3238729E@msgate> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 748c86b240d0230d6fa632812504b598 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Yes I agree, it's a better approach. The Con-Con, or whatever it would be referred to as, is definitely a STAY_AWAY_FROM_THIS_APPROACH item. The Constitution is not broken, only the people who interpret it. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr ========================================== Hi Friends, I believe a much more effective procedure will be to send a FOIA to Clinton for a copy of the Constitution as of the date he took his oath of office. This FOIA request can be compelled under Title 5, United States Code, Section 552 et seq. The court of original jurisdiction is the District Court of the United States (an Article III forum), not the United States District Court (an Article IV forum). This will create a case in which we can litigate the bogus amendments, because the People are entitled to empanel a jury of their Peers, including State Citizens who are currently disenfranchised. The case will invoke Jury Trial of Right, under Rule 38 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, under the Seventh Amendment. Now we can get declaratory relief from the Jury of Peers as to the precise provisions in the Constitution which Clinton should have sworn to defend. Comments here, please. /s/ Paul Mitchell From ???@??? Tue Sep 17 13:27:45 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA11762; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09434 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:26:31 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09426 for libertylaw; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:26:29 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09424 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:26:28 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA08052 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:22:18 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id LAA27367 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:14:42 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00589; Tue, 17 Sep 96 11:14:29 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02333; Tue, 17 Sep 96 11:14:18 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <323EE992@msgate>; Tue, 17 Sep 96 11:10:26 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: IRS Material Document 6372 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 11:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <323EE992@msgate> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 035ed768d8f2d44f1acaaf3879a1669b ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Our payroll person is going to check her manuals to see if it is in there. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 18:52:45 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA01092; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01082 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:08:47 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01071 for libertylaw; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:08:44 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01067 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:08:42 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA14301; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:04:30 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id RAA27958; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:04:15 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02271; Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:53:06 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19742; Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:52:53 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3241DCB2@msgate>; Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:52:18 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: My Web page Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:57:00 PDT Message-Id: <3241DCB2@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 0aa10e5619527a7992ce792ace3c64f7 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I have a page on the Web now. Points of interest are: The LandStrider Tricycle (for adults): In progress Three questions that everyone needs to ask the IRS: Completed Links to various home pages: In progress Direct Email back to me: Completed More to be added.... If you want your HomePage listed in my "Links" Email me your HomePage URL to: 71552.2725@compuserve.com Construction is still in progress, but the page is active. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ttank Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Sep 20 11:07:41 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id LAA01970; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:01:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA26392 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:59:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA26385 for libertylaw; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:59:39 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26383 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:59:37 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03743; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:54:42 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id KAA08977; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:54:19 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07224; Fri, 20 Sep 96 10:50:11 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12300; Fri, 20 Sep 96 10:49:57 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <3242D903@msgate>; Fri, 20 Sep 96 10:48:51 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: "bush.daulton" , "coles.charles" , "sugasawara.daryl" , "davis.michael" , "defiore.john" , "fasheh.maher" , "hall.george" , "hensley.robert" , "maclaren.tom" , "sampson.john" , "sheek.coy" To: "smith.rick" , "datner.philip" , "dawson.ron" , Virgil , "massamormile.bill" , "trujillo.rudy" , "sheffield.rick" Cc: "'Dennis Clark'" , jrr , Liberty Law , patriots , ryngblud Subject: LLAW: Page update Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 10:55:00 PDT Message-Id: <3242D903@msgate> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: adc5f6dbc2b03389f01be755c335ae74 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= My new page is up. Having problems with my links. Sorted out some, but not all. The picture of the LandStrider Trike is now working. JPEG. Full color. Lyle From ???@??? Fri Sep 20 17:29:48 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA24878; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA04725 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:08:48 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA04718 for libertylaw; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:08:44 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04716 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:08:43 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06714 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:04:23 -0700 Received: from sierra.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id QAA29814 for libertylaw@www.ultimate.org; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:54:44 -0700 Received: from galaxy by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01769; Fri, 20 Sep 96 16:41:39 PDT Received: from msgate (mspost) by galaxy (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26076; Fri, 20 Sep 96 16:41:25 PDT Received: by msgate with Microsoft Mail id <32432B59@msgate>; Fri, 20 Sep 96 16:40:09 PDT From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Page update Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 16:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <32432B59@msgate> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: fbe74965a06ba7935fb63c6bc2e6fe6b Status: U ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= You might want to try again. I updated it last night around 9pm. Lyle ======================================================================= At 01:16 PM 9/20/96, you wrote: >My new page is up. >Having problems with my links. >Sorted out some, but not all. > >The picture of the LandStrider Trike >is now working. JPEG. Full color. Lyle, tried it, and it looks great. I missed the trike. No picture would display. God Bless You, and God Bless America! Dave in Tulsa From ???@??? Sun Oct 27 14:48:25 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA10325; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:33:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA25765 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:20:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA25756 for libertylaw; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:20:13 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25750 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:19:56 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA01539 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 96 14:02:48 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04281; Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:53:57 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32750F51@msgate2>; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:53:53 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: FW: ATTORNEY SEASON Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:53:00 PST Message-Id: <32750F51@msgate2> Encoding: 52 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: a9137faf3afb3b0afd711607f5f4eef2 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= FYI 1996 - 1997 State of Washington ATTORNEY SEASON 1. Any person with a valid hunting license or temporary drivers permit may harvest attorneys. 2. Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. However, the use of currency for bait is prohibited! 3. It shall be unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a snow machine, helicopter, or aircraft. 4. It shall be unlawful to sound a siren or shout "whiplash" or "free Perrier" for the purpose of luring attorneys. 5. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW dealerships OR, within 200 yards of health spas, gay bars, brothels, fire stations, hospitals or drunk tanks. 6. It shall be unlawful to use cocaine, young boys, vehicle accidents, $100 bills, or prostitutes to attract attorneys. 7. It shall be a felony to possess an attorney which has been elected or appointed to public office. 8. Stuffed or mounted attorneys must be displayed with state health department inspection certificate for AIDS and rabies. 9. It shall be illegal for a hunter to disguise themselves as a reporter, drug dealer, sheep, accident victim, bookie, or tax accountant for purposes of stalking attorneys. BAG LIMITS=09 Yellow Bellied Sidewinder (2) Backstabbing Divorce Litigator (4) Cut Throat (2) Silver Tongued Drug Defender (3) Two faced tort feasor (1) Big Mouthed Pub gut (2) Hairy faced civil libertarian (7) Honest Attorney (Extinct) From ???@??? Mon Nov 25 12:44:31 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA22739 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA21695 for libertylaw-outgoing; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA21687 for libertylaw; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:51:40 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21683 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA22495 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 96 13:33:10 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00698; Mon, 25 Nov 96 10:25:39 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <3299E49C@msgate2>; Mon, 25 Nov 96 10:25:32 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: OPERATION CABLE SPLICE Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 10:24:00 PST Message-Id: <3299E49C@msgate2> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: fb2407968b3ba4120729adc9042dd6b3 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >******************************************** >TOP SECRET >CODEWORD: CABLESPLICE >(This is a secret document being circulated among Top Government And UN. >people) > >An Aggressive Program to Counter The Disrupters Movement NOTE: Operation "Cable Splicer" and Operation "Garden Plot" were both conceived in the seventies. Our own "Gray Davis" here in California is one of the early players in that game. THIS IS NOT NEW INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Nov 26 13:25:38 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA18064 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA01157 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:13:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA01140 for libertylaw; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:13:07 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01137 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:12:56 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA19136 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 96 15:02:19 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13696; Tue, 26 Nov 96 11:50:20 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329B49F4@msgate2>; Tue, 26 Nov 96 11:50:12 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Does 13th A Disqualify Lawyers? (fwd) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 11:48:00 PST Message-Id: <329B49F4@msgate2> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: b0d63010f8336a6b0c08a109c7009bde ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= One "person" who can never hold "American" public office is Collin Powell. He is now a Knight of the Crown, as granted from the Queen herself. Who else is a "real" appointed Noble? Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Nov 26 17:32:15 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA00173 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06636 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:55:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06628 for libertylaw; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:55:24 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06626 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:55:22 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA20788 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 96 17:47:37 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15475; Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:41:50 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329B722D@msgate2>; Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:41:49 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: Does 13th A Disqualify Lawyers? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:40:00 PST Message-Id: <329B722D@msgate2> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e37574d333b33649a447f35a89195aed ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= >In re Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.'s statement that: > >> One "person" who can never hold "American" public >> office is Collin Powell. He is now a Knight of the Crown, >> as granted from the Queen herself. >> Who else is a "real" appointed Noble? > >----//// Sure he can. The Constitution only prohibits OUR country >from bestowing titles of nobility. Nothing in it prohibits any >american from holding public office if they have being knighted by >the Queen of England. Objection. This is not permitted without an Act of Congress. /s/ Paul Mitchell ========================================================= Paul is correct here, as am I. It takes an ACT of Congress to approve of the granting of a Title or emollient (sp?) which is bestowed by a foreign crown. We here, are NOT supposed to be granting Titles, as with them goes special privilege, as we all know too well. But our "system" is rife with Titles, and all of the associated ill gotten privilege. Even without the "real" 13th Amendment, our Constitution already has this safeguard. So why is it ignored? Which brings to mind the question??? Why write the 13th Amendment if this was already spelled out in the Constitution proper? Maybe the sheople did not understand the Constitution, or maybe they wanted MORE security from infiltration. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Nov 26 20:14:58 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA02562 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA10439 for libertylaw-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:35:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA10432 for libertylaw; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:35:01 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10428 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:35:01 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18543 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 96 20:25:28 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16674; Tue, 26 Nov 96 16:50:11 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329B9043@msgate2>; Tue, 26 Nov 96 16:50:11 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: CDC Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 16:48:00 PST Message-Id: <329B9043@msgate2> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: c9e0bb8f27ecc32692c47ab436338727 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I for one, am no fan of the CDC. Any government agency that uses its time and resources, money, to usurp the Constitution is not on my most favored list. They in fact are operating outside of their jurisdiction and scope. Along with performing unconstitutional deeds. FACT: The CDC is ACTIVELY engaged in trying to disseminate false information about handguns and guns in general. Making statements to the effect of "they are like a disease of society". To give credibility to their involvement. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 12:20:52 1996 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA07742 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18134 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20559; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:45:38 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329C7E41@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:45:37 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: RE: CDC Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:44:00 PST Message-Id: <329C7E41@msgate2> Encoding: 59 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-UIDL: f72e0f7215900de6f6bb18b4e22874bc Repost at will. /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Lyle, May I have your permission to forward this comment to all my other email lists? I anticipate a flame war (or several) before long, on account of my actions against the CDC. Thanks. /s/ Paul Mitchell At 04:48 PM 11/26/96 PST, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing >======================================================================= > >I for one, am no fan of the CDC. > >Any government agency that uses >its time and resources, money, to >usurp the Constitution is not on my >most favored list. They in fact are >operating outside of their jurisdiction >and scope. Along with performing >unconstitutional deeds. > >FACT: The CDC is ACTIVELY engaged >in trying to disseminate false information >about handguns and guns in general. >Making statements to the effect of >"they are like a disease of society". >To give credibility to their involvement. > >Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. > > > > > ==================================================================== [Text is usually formatted in Courier 11 non-proportional spacing @] [65-characters per line; .DOCs by MS-WORD for MS-DOS, Version 5.0B.] Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S., email address: pmitch@primenet.com ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state [We win] We can decode all your byte streams, spaghetti code notwithstanding. Coming soon: "Manifesto for a Republic" by John E. Trumane ie JetMan ==================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 12:51:00 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA25243 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA31323 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:43:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA31316 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:43:31 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA31314 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:43:29 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA18134 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20559; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:45:38 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329C7E41@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:45:37 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: "'Paul Andrew Mitchell'" Cc: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: CDC Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:44:00 PST Message-Id: <329C7E41@msgate2> Encoding: 59 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 9888b48cccdd1f9426a283601e0134dd ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Repost at will. /s/ Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= Lyle, May I have your permission to forward this comment to all my other email lists? I anticipate a flame war (or several) before long, on account of my actions against the CDC. Thanks. /s/ Paul Mitchell At 04:48 PM 11/26/96 PST, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing >======================================================================= > >I for one, am no fan of the CDC. > >Any government agency that uses >its time and resources, money, to >usurp the Constitution is not on my >most favored list. They in fact are >operating outside of their jurisdiction >and scope. Along with performing >unconstitutional deeds. > >FACT: The CDC is ACTIVELY engaged >in trying to disseminate false information >about handguns and guns in general. >Making statements to the effect of >"they are like a disease of society". >To give credibility to their involvement. > >Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. > > > > > ==================================================================== [Text is usually formatted in Courier 11 non-proportional spacing @] [65-characters per line; .DOCs by MS-WORD for MS-DOS, Version 5.0B.] Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S., email address: pmitch@primenet.com ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state [We win] We can decode all your byte streams, spaghetti code notwithstanding. Coming soon: "Manifesto for a Republic" by John E. Trumane ie JetMan ==================================================================== From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 12:51:59 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA04949 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA31498 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:47:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA31491 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:47:57 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA31335 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:43:36 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA20950 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 13:02:17 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20716; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:57:35 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329C810E@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:57:34 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: David Dodge Subject: LLAW: New Member Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 09:56:00 PST Message-Id: <329C810E@msgate2> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 3980684e39583e9c713d1e9bf6ee5b01 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I would like to nominate David Dodge (romans@gate.net) for membership on our list. He is one of the foremost authorities on the missing 13th Amendment, IMHO. (What is the URL for the CIA page?) Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ============================================================= Lyle, et alii: I would be privileged to join in discussion. There are several areas in which some clarification, especially as regards the Titles of Nobility amendment and the nexus between the United States and other countries. TON was not a provision to keep or kick lawyers out-of government. It was, however the vehicle to keep foreign agents from holding seats of public trust whereby the war against indigenous people would continue, as it has, because the government of the United States has been infiltrated by foreign agents, many of them masked as attorneys, since its inception. If you haven't done so, check-out the C.I.A.'s web site for the history of intelligence operations at the time of the American Revolution. Anyway, let's go exploring. /David From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 19:17:42 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA16157 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06051 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:27:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA06044 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:27:46 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06042 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:27:45 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA05620 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 17:17:57 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22860; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:17:35 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329CBDFE@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:17:34 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Re: New Member Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:17:00 PST Message-Id: <329CBDFE@msgate2> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 0c50c0c9fbc9266854d92a22536ad2d9 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= I will second the nomination for Patrick Lear. I know him personally, although we have not seen each other for two or more years. We first met in the old "militia" days. He is of sound character. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= I will second the nomination and ask that the list consider Patrick Lear also to be added to the list...as he has contributed to the list through me in the past. I would like to recommend him for membership, as he is extremely knowledgable in the area of Law of Nature, Law of Nations, Money and Banking and Constitutional Law. He would be a great addition to the list. Thank you for your consideration.. John Edward ------------------------------ Date: 11/27/96 10:59 AM To: John Burr From: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 19:42:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA26702 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:56:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07056 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:56:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07047 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:56:41 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07043 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:56:40 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA10922 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 17:47:09 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23163; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:36:44 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329CC27B@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:36:43 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: U.S. v. Troescher Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:36:00 PST Message-Id: <329CC27B@msgate2> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 1ea3fc653427057930cbe71e02904454 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Don't you mean Andrew? ======================================================================= Lyle, Would you care to elaborate on the important differences between procedural and substantive due process for us here? Thanks. /s/ Paul Mitchell At 02:27 PM 11/27/96 -0500, you wrote: >======================================================================= >LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA >Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing >======================================================================= > > >This may be getting off on a semantical merry-go-round. The right, >privilege or immunity against self-incrimination is protected, regardless >of what you call it. >Also, the due process clause of the 5th (and 14th, even more so) is >widely misunderstood. Coke, Blackstone, the founders, et al all >understood it to mean judicial process due, i.e., indictment or >presentment and proper service of writs before life, liberty or property >could be deprived. It is purely procedural and all "substantive due >process" decisions under the 14th were created from whole cloth by >judges. They have no constitutional foundation. > >--Andrew Lehr > > From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 20:07:37 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA17231 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07693 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:22:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07686 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:22:13 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07684 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:22:12 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA13560 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 18:02:29 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23293; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:59:59 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329CC7EE@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:59:58 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: U.S. v. Troescher Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:58:00 PST Message-Id: <329CC7EE@msgate2> Encoding: 69 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 6d7424a20b01b3992a31e482a5d48f72 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Again, I agree with Paul. No mater how you slice it there are *at least* two distinct classes of "citizen" in America. I would say there are more, as the native American is *also* included in the original writings. And they are "not included" in the 14th Amendment. The original docs do not recognize the Indians as citizens, per se, but they do live here! Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. ======================================================================= >> >> Ralph, >> >> >> >> What say you of the Privileges >> >> and Immunities Clause (4:2:1)? >> >> >> >> /s/ Paul Mitchell >> >> >> > >> >If I might interject, the privileges and immunities clause provides that >> >states may not deny life, liberty or property rights to persons within >> >the state which they secure to citizens of that state. The privileges and >> >immunities clause of Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment provided the same >> >protection to freedmen (blacks). >> >> This provision is proof of two classes >> of citizens, because otherwise there >> would have been no need to repeat >> the gurantee. Of course, the 14th >> was never lawfully ratified. See >> Dyett v. Turner. >> >> /s/ Paul Mitchell >> >I can't see that. Regardless of the proper ratification questions, the >14th was only intended to secure basic rights granted by states to white >citizens to the freedmen. I can't see that it creates another class of >citizen. > >--Andrew Lehr Your statement here is at odds with literally dozens of state and federal court decisions. The Alabama Supreme Court, in particular, has held that there are now "two classes" of citizens, in so many words. See Gardina v. Board of Registrars, 48 S. 788, 791 (1909). Furthermore, that court held that one class of citizenship may exist in a person without the other. This is a very important case, which has been recently resurrected in Mike Kemp's defense against a conviction for marijuana possession in that state. See also State v. Fowler, 6 S. 602 (1889): "... a person may be a citizen of a particular state and not a citizen of the United States. To hold otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest exercise of its sovereignty, -- the right to declare who are its citizens." !!! These cases are discussed at length in Chapter 11 of The Federal Zone. /s/ Paul Mitchell From ???@??? Wed Nov 27 21:02:03 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA23633 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:13:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA09545 for libertylaw-outgoing; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:14:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA09537 for libertylaw; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:14:36 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09535 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:14:31 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA22758 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 96 18:46:56 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23630; Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:34:36 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <329CD00B@msgate2>; Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:34:35 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Happy Thanksgiving Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:33:00 PST Message-Id: <329CD00B@msgate2> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: e9f97f3163d0463f9f1457566cb488e7 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= To all, May you and yours enjoy this time together. May your blessings be many, and your troubles be few. And pray for the children in Pennsylvania who will not be home with their families on Thanksgiving, due to the "minor" oversight of the legislators of that fine state. God Bless. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Tue Sep 03 20:52:27 1996 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA24390 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id XAA08183; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:44:28 -0400 Date: 02 Sep 96 23:43:32 EDT From: Lyle Myhr Jr <71552.2725@CompuServe.COM> To: "Paul Andrew, Mitchell" Subject: Faxes sent Message-ID: <960903034331_71552.2725_EHL156-1@CompuServe.COM> X-UIDL: 822a665d2d7f9f732ebad4135568df75 Status: U Paul, I just sent you three faxes. Hope you recieved them. If not let me know I'll email the docs. *************************************************** Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris, Citizen Dei Gratia 71552.2725@compuserve.com (Soon to be ttank@compuserve.com) montanatank@juno.com *************************************************** From ???@??? Wed Sep 04 08:00:07 1996 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com (arl-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.132]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA26397 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA06195; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:51:02 -0400 Date: 03 Sep 96 10:50:02 EDT From: Lyle Myhr Jr <71552.2725@CompuServe.COM> To: "Paul Andrew, Mitchell" Subject: The RAID Message-ID: <960903145001_71552.2725_EHL62-1@CompuServe.COM> X-UIDL: 264431f1280713f91cd8a7e38b1c9080 The moral imbalance of our society Today in America there exists a great moral imbalance. We have generally been a morally based society, but as of late we are faltering wondering what is right, and what is wrong. If the morals of a society are to guide and nurture its longevity, then our morals must be constantly at the forefront of our daily lives. There exists in this great land a moral dilemma of monumental proportion. It has been swept under the carpet for over 60 years, and remains a dilemma few are willing to acknowledge. It is also a dilemma because it involves the rights of a single human being. It is a civil rights dilemma. What I am referring to is the right to grow and smoke marijuana in your own home. The moral imbalance is in the fact that we are currently being pressured as a society to accept those amongst us who have an acknowledged sexual deviance but wish to maintain a "normal" association with the rest of society. If our society can be forced to accept this existence of a subculture within itself, then all subcultures must be accepted. Even those who smoke marijuana. Last Friday at about 5pm I was given the "pleasure" of being busted for cultivation. My plants were for my own personal use. They were not for sale. The San Jose police told me I could be charged with "intent to sell", a felony, just because I have a scale. This at face value is absurd, but your arguments will fall on deaf ears. I'm supposed to help them "bust" other people so I can get a reduction or even dismissal of all charges. I'm supposed to lose all of my morals and help them to destroy other lives as well. I was also "advised" that they would be disappointed in me if I got myself a lawyer. Two minutes of terror. I had just arrived home from work. I have a full time good paying regular job, just like millions of other Americans. I was standing in our bedroom talking to my wife while she was continuing to work. She works at home over the computer. I just caught a glimpse of some people walking through my front yard and went into the living room to open the door to see who it was. As soon as I opened my door a woman grabbed me by my T-shirt and stuck a semiautomatic pistol one inch from my nose and started to push me away from the door into the house. I immediately knew what was happening. My first thought was not of the woman holding my T-shirt or her pistol dangerously close to my face. My first thought was about my two dogs that were in the living room with me and the TEN ARMED AGENTS who rushed into my house. My dogs were going crazy, I'm telling my dogs to lay down, and trying to let the invading army know that they are not trained to attack they are just family pets. Later one of the policewomen mentioned to me that they did have to shoot a dog the other day. After I calmed my dogs down I politely asked the woman holding me by my T-shirt with her semiautomatic pistol one inch from my nose, if she would please stop pushing me backwards. I was up on tiptoes already and couldn't go back any further, the couch was behind me. I didn't want to fall as a result of her trying to subdue me. I didn't want to have any unnecessary accidents happen. She didn't let up, just yet, her first response was "you're lucky your face isn't on the floor". I'm offering NO RESISTANCE. I have a family. My wife and TEN YEAR OLD DAUGHTER are both home. I'm trying to calm my dogs down and she tells me I'm lucky I'm not on the floor! After they had handcuffed both my wife and myself they, the police, started to calm down. "Show and tell", and the Cowboy. Is television the blame for all of societies problems or do we create the problems and television only mimics them? After the display that was put on last Friday on our street it will be forever impossible to distinguish between the two. During the raid two "mystery women" were seen by my neighbors being escorted down my driveway on the side of my house and given a "look" at my plants. They were overheard saying "It's show and tell time". Also one of the women made the comment, "It's so pretty". Yes it is a pretty plant when in bloom. Who were they, what was their connection in all of this? I may never know. All I do know is my plants were put on display for these two women who were described as "not dressed like your average housewife". My neighbors also told of the way in which they perceived the whole bust. It appeared to my neighbors that the police agents involved were more than "pleased" with the acqui- sition of my plants, as if they might keep some for themselves. I must admit I got a little peeved at the attitudes of the arresting officers, especially the "Cowboy". Him with his larger than life cigar and bald head with caterpillar mustache. My wife and myself were both sitting handcuffed on the couch with our daughter between us. In he comes and stands in the middle of the room like some prize gamecock. Puffing on his cigar, smirking like a little kid in a candy shop. How pathetic we have become that we can get pleasure from the humiliation of another human being. My wife asked him to take it outside, he didn't. I don't smoke in the house. My wife doesn't smoke or have anything to do with any drugs. The search, seizure and disappointment. I didn't keep track of how long we were sitting on the couch while our house was being searched. Finally somebody showed up with a copy of the search warrant. It doesn't matter who turned me in, they would not tell me anyway. I could possibly find out if it actually goes to court. The warrant gave them, purportedly, the right to confiscate the plants, and anything else associated with the plants. While the search was being conducted the arresting officers started to notice something peculiar about this bust. My wife now has the dubious honor of having the "cleanest" house they have ever searched. They also started to look at my mail to see what type of person I am. "Gee, you read the same magazines we do!" I am after all a normal human being. So they didn't make as much of a mess as I'm sure they have in other homes, they still made a mess. Most of the things that were actually seized were not on the warrant at all, making their seizure illegal, or at least highly questionable. But I was informed that it "looked bad that I had all of those guns in my house, and the marijuana in the backyard". Excuse me for not seeing any relevant connection here. They took all of my guns. They are all legal, which was a major disappointment for the arresting officers. They still have my guns and my family is at this moment completely defenseless. Because I had some plants in my backyard. They were disappointed that I don't know where to get any illegal guns, or explosives. They were disappointed that I don't know any "skinheads", I don't know why, I have shoulder length hair myself. I wouldn't fit in at a skinhead meeting. I think they watch too much television in their off time. Neighborhood lives in fear. After last Friday our neighborhood has seen up close and personal just how secure we are in our own homes. It is virtually unanimous on our street that too much force was used and the end result is bogus. All of that police work for a few plants. Ten armed policemen and women, yes with guns drawn, terror in the eyes of the community. All for a few plants. How many more lives will be turned upside down before we wake up and say enough is enough. Sixty years of prohibition have not worked. It didn't work with alcohol, what makes you think it is going to work with marijuana? They have been trying for sixty years. Those who smoke it know that it is not the deadly drug that the "yellow-journalist" would have you believe that it is. For those of you who don't know what yellow journalism refers to, it is propaganda, or more simply put, a lie. Family values. In the wake of all of this I know that my community stands behind me, as do my wife and daughter. The two most important people in my life. I was asked if my daughter knew what the plants were. I answered yes she does. She also knows that the commercials as depicted on television do not even come close to reality on the issue of marijuana. You know the one with the "loser" sitting in his bedroom with his friend getting high. His mom comes home and asks if he looked for a job today. I have been working almost constantly since graduating from high school in 1975. Twenty one years of working five days a week. My IQ qualifies me for membership in MENSA, 130 or above only. I can read 2000 words per minute with 90% comprehension. Not a good commercial for the pitfalls of smoking pot. I smoked my first marijuana cigarette at the age of thirteen. I'm now 38 and make 50K a year, own my home, own my cars, have virtually no bills. My wife earns around 30K a year. I didn't grow them for the money, I smoke the stuff. The "Politically Correct Nineties". We are closer now to Orwellian thinking than we ever have been in our lives. We have been "persuaded" into thinking that speaking out is somehow wrong. That it is OK for rich people to lie or even commit murder. We are being forced to accommodate some who have spoken out for equal rights based on their perceived sexual preference. I am here and now issuing the call to speak out for equal rights for those who smoke marijuana. We have rights too. And I for one, am tired of living in the smoking closet. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. Citizen of California *************************************************** Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris, Citizen Dei Gratia 71552.2725@compuserve.com (Soon to be ttank@compuserve.com) montanatank@juno.com *************************************************** From ???@??? Wed Sep 04 09:08:04 1996 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA10311 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:55:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA27147; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:55:00 -0400 Date: 04 Sep 96 10:51:16 EDT From: Lyle Myhr Jr <71552.2725@CompuServe.COM> To: "Paul Andrew, Mitchell" Subject: FLASH - URGENT - FLASH Message-ID: <960904145115_71552.2725_EHL47-1@CompuServe.COM> X-UIDL: 457db231087405b7aec7f1d0c74ee41e Paul, I had a FLASH last night. No, not a hot flash. It took an AMENDMENT to the Constitution to ban or PROHIBIT the production and consumption of ALCOHOL. And also another Amendment to repeal said prohibition. Where is the AMENDMENT that bans or PROHIBITS the production and consumption of marijuana? An item or substance can not be banned or prohibited from our daily lives through an ACT of Congress. This argument could, IMO, be used to fight the GUN BANS as well, along with all other items or substances which are currently banned under Congressional ACT. The precedent was set in stone with the prohibition Amendment. Please forward to the list for discussion. I'll be at work in a few hours. *************************************************** Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris, Citizen Dei Gratia 71552.2725@compuserve.com (Soon to be ttank@compuserve.com) montanatank@juno.com *************************************************** From ???@??? Sun Sep 08 23:47:59 1996 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA12947 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA22835; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:55:51 -0400 Date: 08 Sep 96 20:53:52 EDT From: Lyle Myhr Jr <71552.2725@CompuServe.COM> To: "Paul Andrew, Mitchell" Subject: Volstead Act Message-ID: <960909005352_71552.2725_EHL36-1@CompuServe.COM> X-UIDL: 776e1ec00cace2dfd479a7627b49f3b4 Paul, I did some reading on the "Volstead Act", notice my spelling. I believe yours is misspelled. Also, for my purposes I should use the "Marijuana Tax Act". It should be "compared" in functional operation to the "Volstead Act". The Volstead Act was "enabled" through the 18th Amendment. Without the 18th in place the provisions of the Volstead Act are VOID. Since there is no Amendment in place to "enable" the "Marijuana Tax Act", one can only conclude that it's provisions are VOID at face value. Also ANY local law or "ordinance" pertaining to a "prohibition" of Marijuana is VOID without Constitutional authority. Since one can conclude that all "previous" votes on the subject were "unreasonably influenced" by misinformation about the "drug" properties of the plant, any vote on record that would purport to uphold the prohibition could be considered biased and null. Comments? *************************************************** Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr.; of the House of Myhr Sui Juris, Citizen Dei Gratia 71552.2725@compuserve.com (Soon to be ttank@compuserve.com) montanatank@juno.com *************************************************** From ???@??? Thu Dec 12 18:42:25 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA01762 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:08:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA29164 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:08:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA29155 for libertylaw; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:07:58 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA29153 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:07:57 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA17003 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 96 19:50:55 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13123; Thu, 12 Dec 96 16:51:22 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32B0A889@msgate2>; Thu, 12 Dec 96 16:51:21 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: RE: Maps Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 17:10:00 PST Message-Id: <32B0A889@msgate2> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 8665c6d8aeb050a0cadda9245f078d99 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Another tidbit. Compare the "new map" of America from the "Ancient Prophets" a TV special, and the map of the UN Bio-Reserve/Heritage areas. Talk about "SPOOKY". The UN areas are mostly in areas that will no longer exist after the reformation of North America. Lyle Charles Iver ======================================================================= Just a tidbit I should have included in an earlier post. I recently saw a map of Arizona on which all lands claimed by the State and its subdivisions, and the federal government were marked in various colors and private land was left white. There was very little white except Phoenix and Tucson. Some text with the map said 97% of Arizona is publicly owned. That leaves 3% for the People to hold privately. Any Rand and McCall map is a coarse version of the map I saw. Check it out. Tarheel From ???@??? Thu Dec 19 14:26:24 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA22313 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA15996 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:33:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA15981 for libertylaw; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:33:50 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA15979 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:33:40 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA03929 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 96 14:02:09 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28659; Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:52:51 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32B98F01@msgate2>; Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:52:49 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Eubonics (sp?) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:52:00 PST Message-Id: <32B98F01@msgate2> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: dbe2acea2c48faae4c2f860c31eae30c ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Last PM the Oakland School Board UNANIMOUSLY voted to accept Eubonics as the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE of African-American(sic) students. It is going to begin teaching its teachers and councilors in the LANGUAGE and will even offer classes where it can be taught. Stanford University has a class on Eubonics. What they are really doing is lowering the standard of education even further for the black inner city youth. They can not compete in the "real world" now when it comes to something as mundane as a job interview. Now it will be even harder for this "new generation (X)" to realise any goals. They won't be able to communicate their desires. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Fri Dec 20 15:01:54 1996 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA10681 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:15:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA15241 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:04:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA15231 for libertylaw; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:03:59 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15229 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:03:57 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA03217 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:48:20 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07989; Fri, 20 Dec 96 09:43:56 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32BAD05A@msgate2>; Fri, 20 Dec 96 09:43:54 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Cc: patriots Subject: LLAW: Ebonics Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 09:42:00 PST Message-Id: <32BAD05A@msgate2> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: ce49854d1d82a1a5dc15fb150bed2ef4 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Ebonics (noun) Ebony - phonics or; Black - slang. An Ebonic organization just bought "Toys-R-Us". They're going to rename it "We be toys and shit". (8*)) Seriously, the local communities are going ballistic over this. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Thu Jan 02 18:00:46 1997 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA09683 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00677 for libertylaw-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:27:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00670 for libertylaw; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:27:13 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00665 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:27:09 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA23961 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 97 14:17:24 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21047; Thu, 2 Jan 97 11:15:00 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32CC0932@msgate2>; Thu, 02 Jan 97 11:14:58 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Revenue Act of May 10, 1934 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 11:12:00 PST Message-Id: <32CC0932@msgate2> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 54219bf192c2e41ffa246f8149720139 ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= Hi all, Hope everyone enjoyed the holidays. I would like to find a copy of the Revenue Act of May 10, 1934. I found small sections of it in the USCA, but it, the Act, has never been codified in its entirety. I will post an interesting paragraph from it this afternoon, from Title 40. Are we Government Property? From my reading we are signing up as property under SSA. This is from the Title 40 deffinition I will post later. Under Title 40, the Government, has complete say over what to do with its property. And property has some unique deffinitions. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Jan 04 00:09:23 1997 Received: from blake.sharpcomm.com (majordomo@blake.sharpcomm.com [199.76.0.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA09036 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA24355 for libertylaw-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:39:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: blake.sharpcomm.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/majordomo/queue Received: (from root@localhost) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA24346 for libertylaw; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:39:29 -0500 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by blake.sharpcomm.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA24341 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:39:28 -0500 Received: from sierra.UUCP by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA24996 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 97 20:06:22 -0500 Received: from msgate2 (mspost2) by ulinear.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08028; Fri, 3 Jan 97 15:22:01 PST Received: by msgate2 with Microsoft Mail id <32CD9495@msgate2>; Fri, 03 Jan 97 15:21:57 PST From: "myhr.lyle" To: Liberty Law Subject: LLAW: Square One Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 15:21:00 PST Message-Id: <32CD9495@msgate2> Encoding: 99 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-libertylaw@ultimate.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org X-UIDL: 871d63a47fcb4ba501b785b1a65884ba ======================================================================= LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing ======================================================================= (Paul still not getting it) >Perhaps we can all persuade him >to load some, if not all, of it >onto a Web Site, so that Americans who >cannot pay a man what he is worth can >continue to have access to his life's >work without honoring him with so much >as a dime, or giving him an ounce of >credit for the time-consuming and >laborious work it takes to break through >just one of the deceptions which have >been foisted on this once great nation. Yes the fruit of the tree of knowledge is expensive, at least to the initial laborer. It takes many hours to read the filth that has been perpetrated upon us. Many more to understand it. And yet more to convey it to others. AFA, the accusation that no credit is given to the researcher, I disagree. >It is not my style to take a man's life >work from him, and then host it on some >remote Web site that he cannot reach. An unreachable Web site? Something new? >I did provide you with directions for >browsing the Internet for anything >related to "Dr. Eugene Schroder". >Please permit me to suggest that you >do your own research, and come to your >own conclusions. We are litigating >"nomme de guerre" right now, as we speak; >if you want to know more about it, >a man is worthy of his hire, remember? I believe that's number ten of the basic principles of the common law. But, IMHO, it is the bain of the "neo-patriot" movement. Would you charge your soldiers to fight in your army? Would they want to protect you, if they had to pay you for your guidance? This is WAR gentlemen. And until you figure that out, you're going to be chasing those windmills by yourself. There is strength in numbers. Again the "capitalist" mentality has overshadowed the "long term goal". The answer to: What's in it for me? Should be: Freedom, not MONEY. >Now, if you want to have access to what >I know, please join the Supreme Law School, >if only for a month, to try it out. If you >get ten others to join with you, your >tuition will be free! Now, I don't see >how you can pass up an opportunity like that, >unless you are operating under some ulterior >motive as yet unrevealed. Can you say P-Y-R-A-M-I-D, I knew you could. Sure, find other people to pay me, and I'll let you in for free. >After being stiffed, threatened, insulted, >lied about, slandered, stalked, and invaded, >I must inform everyone who reads this that >I cannot and will not work for free, not >in this movement, probably not ever again. Tis more noble to give than to receive. Your loss. >I know charities which are far more worthy >of volunteer contributions than certain animal >feed lots I have known during my recent years >on this planet. All animals need care, even us. >"A man is worthy of his hire." Remember? How can we ever forget. >Misnomer is a Plea in Abatement. >/s/ Paul Mitchell Nothing personal, Paul, I just get fed up with the same old diatribe. Such a wonderful way to start the new year, back at square one. Lyle Charles Iver, Myhr Jr. From ???@??? Sat Mar 08 04:52:54 1997 Received: from minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (minotaur.labyrinth.net.au [203.9.148.2]) by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26660 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (8.7.2/8.7.2) id OAA19014 for terra-libra-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:29:47 +1100 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (8.7.2/8.7.2) id OAA19003 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:29:43 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minotaur.labyrinth.net.au: mail set sender to using -f Received: from amug.org(204.62.193.2) by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au via smap (V1.3) id sma018978; Sat Mar 8 14:29:09 1997 Received: from bigmama (d23-ts01.amug.org [204.62.193.143]) by general.amug.org (8.8.4-q-beta2/8.7.2) with SMTP id UAA13792 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:25:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970307202604.00758148@amug.org> X-Sender: tfosson@amug.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 20:27:57 -0700 To: terra-libra@labyrinth.net.au From: "myhr.lyle" (by way of Tom Fosson ) Subject: [TL] Humor from court Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-terra-libra+@minotaur.labyrinth.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: terra-libra@labyrinth.net.au X-UIDL: 7b5c8024c2c6155949178a3dcc43b131 Only In Merry Olde England (an actual trial) A young woman who was several months pregnant boarded a bus. When she noticed a young man smiling at her, she began feeling humiliated on account of her condition. She changed her seat and he seemed more amused. She moved again and then on her fourth move he burst out laughing. She had him arrested. When the case came before the court, the young man was asked why he acted in such a manner. His reply was: When the lady boarded the bus I couldn't help noticing she was pregnant. She sat under an advertisment which read "Coming Soon The Gold Dust Twins". Then she moved under one that read "Sloans Liniments remove Swelling". I was even more amused when she sat under a shaving advertisment which read "William Stick Did The Trick". Then I could not control myself any longer when on the fourth move she sat under an advertisment which read "Dunlop Rubber would have prevented this accident." He won the case. ========== T'is Better To Wear Out Than Rust Out