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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:26:22 -0700
To: Bill Utterback <butterb@connecti.com>
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SLS: RIGHTS v. PRIVILEGES (fwd)

See the Privileges and Immunities Clause
in the U.S. Constitution:  

Artice IV, Section 2, Clause 1

"Immunity" .ne. "immunity"

"Privilege" .ne. "privilege"

[".ne." is "not equals" in FORTRAN]

/s/ Paul Mitchell

At 02:35 PM 6/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Reposting to mailing lists and news groups, e-mailing, faxing, web 
>page posting, and making hard copies for distribution of this 
>message are encouraged.
>At 11:58 AM 6/29/97 -0400, Howard Fezell wrote:
>>On ABC's "This Week" program aired 06/28/97 NRA Exec. V.P. Wayne H. LaPierre
>>referred to our right to keep and bear arms as a "privilege".  To many, this
>>would seem an insignificant comment.
>>However, privleges are granted by the state -- and may be revoked.
>>Rights, on the other hand, are inalienable.
>>Those who would like to help educate the NRA's chief executive officer on
>>this point may reach him at:  National Rifle Association, 11250 Waples Mill
>>Road, Fairfax, VA  22030  (703) 267-1000.
>>Howard Fezell  (www.2ndAmendment.net)
>Well, I was about to enjoy a calm, peaceful Sunday morning until 
>this message came along to really push my button.
>I have a friend in San Antonio, Bob Wheaton, who I have known for 
>about nine years.  Bob is an ex-NRA Life Member and as far back as 
>I can remember has been loudly complaining that NRA is actively 
>compromising away our right to keep and bear arms.  Back four or 
>five years ago when I was an NRA member and NRA-ILA contributor, I 
>used to think that, although NRA's defense of our rights was 
>sometimes weak, that NRA must know the ins and outs of Washington 
>politics and must be doing the best job possible considering the 
>I have since changed my opinion.  For the past few years I have 
>clearly understood that NRA has become a 'Big Corporation' and the 
>primary goal of NRA is to continue the salaries and prestige of 
>the corporate officers.   NRA has to be careful not to be too 
>successful in countering anti-gun legislation because it is in its 
>vested interest to keep the battle going.  The goal of NRA is not 
>to protect our rights but to feed off the battle.
>The recent internal struggle that ousted Neal Knox from his NRA 
>position and replaced him with Charleton Heston gives us a primary 
>spokesman for NRA who publicly states "AK-47's are inappropriate 
>for private ownership, of course" and " . . .(I) don't even think
>it (the Brady Bill) should be repealed . . ."
>The full transcript of the radio interview containing these 
>remarks follows:
>>    DATE    May 6, 1997
>>    TIME    8:00 - 9:00 AM (PT)
>>LOCATION    San Francisco
>> PROGRAM    Morning Drive Time
>>            Ted Wygant, anchor:
>>               Well this is very appropriate to talk with Moses as 
>>            we talk about it, at least.  Now let's say good morning 
>>            to the man who played it so well, Charleton Heston.   
>>            Good morning, sir!
>>            Charleton Heston (Actor/NRA Board Member): And good   
>>            morning to you, Mister Wygant.
>>            Wygant:  Well, we're delighted to have you with us, and 
>>            we appreciate your time because you have taken on a   
>>            task that I think a lot of folks might have backed    
>>            away with because a lot of concern about the National 
>>            Rifle Association.
>>            Heston:  Our country belongs to Hercules, doesn't it?
>>            Wygant:  Yeah, right.  What made you do it?  How come 
>>            you want to get in the middle of this?
>>            Heston:  Well, I've, of course, been- found myself in 
>>            the arena, if you will, on a number of public sector  
>>            causes.  I suppose starting back when I started       
>>            demonstrating for civil rights back in 1961.  Long    
>>            before it got fashionable in Hollywood.  And then the 
>>            Screen Actors Guild, and the National Endowment For The 
>>            Arts, and the Separate Theater Group, and so on- and  
>>            then the Presidential Task force, and the Arts and    
>>            Humanities.  And I've been a member of- of the National 
>>            Rifle Association for, oh, twenty years or more.  When 
>>            I was a kid in Michigan, in the Depression, I lived in 
>>            a little hamlet in Northern Michigan with about, oh,  
>>            a hundred houses which contained easily two hundred and 
>>            fifty, three hundred fire arms of various kinds.      
>>            Mostly being used for hunting, of course- food for the 
>>            table.  But I was asked, as is true with all of the   
>>            jobs I've done.  Somebody asked me.
>>            Wygant:  Well, you've got quite a task.  And- and
>>            you've been named first vice president.  You- you're a
>>            member of the board at-at one point, and gee, you just
>>            zipped right up.
>>            Heston:  I just was elected to the board on Saturday.
>>            Wygant:  Yeah.
>>            Heston:  It's the primary defender of the second
>>            amendment of the Bill Of Rights, which is, of course, 
>>            a core document.  The Bill Of Rights is right at the
>>            basis of the American idea, those wise old dead white
>>            guys that made up the country knew what they were
>>            about.  And you- it is a mainstream issue.  Most
>>            Americans, in fact, support the second amendment's
>>            right to bear and carry arms, and there are, as you
>>            suggest, a few extremists, and some of them are- are on
>>            the board.  And we have, however, we- they elected- or
>>            re-elected in the case of Wayne LaPierre, and elected
>>            in my case and Cain Robinson's case- police chief Cain
>>            Robinson is now second vice president.  We re-elected
>>            Marion Hammer as president.
>>            Wygant:  Mister Heston, could I ask you to stand by
>>            here for just a moment?  We have to get to traffic, but
>>            I- I do want to continue talking with you.  Could you
>>            hang in for a minute?         
>>            Heston:  Yeah.
>>            Wygant:  Okay, good.  Thanks.
>>                        ****************
>>            Wygant:  Okay, right now let's get back to Charleton
>>            Heston talking to us from his home in Southern        
>>            California.  Let me ask you, you mentioned that there
>>            are some right wing folks- far right wing, still around
>>            the NRA.  Are you going to try to get them off the
>>            board and out of the picture?
>>            Heston:  That- that's certainly the intention, and I
>>            think it's highly doable.  Wayne LaPierre is- is a
>>            superb leader, Marion Hammer's a strong president. 
>>            And I think Cain Robinson and I can provide some useful
>>            support there.
>>            Wygant:  Now the image of- of the NRA has been an
>>            organization that supports the right of people to buy
>>            any legal firearms, and, of course, you go to any- any
>>            gun store- gun shop and you see things there that are
>>            big, and brutal, and deadly, and far more than you need
>>            for- for hunting or home protection.  Do you stand by-
>>            I mean, the image is...
>>            Heston:  AK-47's are inappropriate for private        
>>            ownership, of course.
>>            Wygant:  Yeah, but the image is that they're- the fire
>>            power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a
>>            homeowner would need.  Why is it necessary to have
>>            those guns available anyway?
>>            Heston:  I just got through telling you.  The         
>>            possession- private possession of AK-47's is entirely
>>            inappropriate.
>>            Wygant:  Right, but AK-47's one thing, but I've been in
>>            a gun shop- I've been in gun shops, and there's fire
>>            power there that doest's seem necessary and that people
>>            worry about being out there in- in the hands of, you
>>            know, potential criminals.
>>            Heston:  I'm not certain what you're point is- that
>>            there are guns available in gun stores?
>>            Wygant:  No, guns that go beyond what a hunter would
>>            need.  In other words, why does the NRA support guns
>>            that have overkill?  Let's put it that way.  Shouldn't
>>            there be some sort of limit?
>>            Heston:  Well, for any certain time, AK-47's are
>>            entirely inappropriate for private ownership, and the-
>>            the problem, of course, is not guns held by private
>>            citizens, but guns held by criminals.  And where we
>>            have failed, where the government has failed is with
>>            entirely cosmetic actions like the Brady Bill, which is
>>            meaningless.  I'm not even- don't even think it should
>>            be repealed because it doesn't do anything.  and it's
>>            been in- on the books for more than two years.  In the
>>            course of that time, I think it is, nineteen people
>>            have been arrested, and two have been imprisoned felons
>>            with felony records for trying to purchase a firearm.
>>            Wygant:  Well, we've- we gotta- I really appreciate
>>            talking with us.  It'll be interesting to see-        
>>            interesting to see how you handle the public image of
>>            the National Rifle Association and those in the far  
>>            right in the group.  And if you don't mind, we'd like
>>            to talk to you again.
>>            Heston:  I hope we can do that.
>>            Wygant:  Alright, thanks very much.
>>            Heston:  Mister Wygant.
>>            Wygant:  Thank you.  Charleton Heston from his home in
>>            Southern California, and the KGO Radio News time is
>>            8:23.
>Now in addition to Heston, we have Wayne LaPierre who publicly 
>states that our right to keep and bear arms is a "privilege".  
>Excuse me while I throw up.
>I would like to encourage everyone to divert their contributions 
>and dues from NRA to the two organizations which truly act to 
>protect our fight to keep and bear arms:  Gun Owners of America 
>and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Both of 
>these 'no slack' organizations are worthy of our support.
>Gun Owners of America
>8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
>Springfield Virginia 22151
>PH: 703-321-8585 
>FX: 703-321-8408 
>Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership
>2872 South Wentworth Avenue
>Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53207
>Phone:   414-769-0760
>FAX:     414-483-8435
>And let's not forget another equally deserving organization:
>Fully Informed Jury Association
>P. O. Box 59
>Helmville, Montana 59843
>Phone/Fax (406) 793-5550
>Roger Cravens <ke4yqz@pop.mindspring.com> recently posted some 
>pertinent remarks about NRA.  His message is copied below:
>>After doing some very serious comparisons between
>>Gun Owners of America and the National Rifle
>>Association, I decided not to renew my NRA membership.
>>And I had been a supporter either as a volunteer or
>>financially of the NRA for at least 30 years, both 
>>while in military career status as well as in non-
>>military/civilian status.
>>I'm now 47 years old, and some member of my family
>>(father, uncles, cousins, aunts, etc) have supported 
>>NRA for as long as I can remember.  Even as a kid,
>>it was NRA volunteers that taught me how to shoot a
>>22 cal single shot rifle as a kid of 5 years old.
>>But their position on 2d Amendment issues of all
>>kinds have become more and more liberal and anti-
>>2d Amendment.
>>I have seen absolutely nothing originate from
>>Gun Owners of America that comes close to what
>>has come out of NRA in the past 10 years.  So
>>all of my support, as well as monetary support,
>>will be going to GOA from now on.  I have also
>>been encouraging as many people as possible to
>>stop supporting the NRA and start supporting
>>GOA.  With much better success that I had ever
>>hoped for.
>>I am ashamed to admit that I haven't sent in
>>my dues for this year.   But I will be soon.
>>I have several hot monetary issues I have to
>>take care of and pay off first, then I'm
>>writing a check to GOA.
>>A copy of this message has been forwarded to GOA.
>>Please send any and all information on supporting
>>and joining your organization to the following
>>address.  I will send in my annual dues very soon
>>after receipt.
>>Roger D. Cravens, Jr.
>Let me also mention that Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America was 
>one of the speakers at the Alamo Militia Muster that I 
>coordinated.  Held on November 12, 1994, at the Alamo in downtown 
>San Antonio, Texas, about 500 active participants in the Texas 
>Constitutional Militia listened to Larry speak like a true 
>patriot.  His actions and the actions of Gun Owners of America 
>have never since waivered from no-compromise support of our 
>absolute right to keep and bear arms - and to form militias.  The 
>NRA, according to Heston, wants to get right wing folks off the 
>NRA board and out of the picture (see radio interview above for 
>exact words).
>The militia is the people and the people are the militia.  
>Although it is essential for the present for the people to 
>maintain possession of conventional arms as a deterrent to 
>unconstitutional actions by government, the people/militia must 
>also learn to use the most effective weapons available.  These 
>weapons, which will see extensive use in the near future, are mass 
>public demonstrations and mass public civil disobedience.  We need 
>to regain control of the voting process from the computers which 
>print out whatever totals the controllers desire and awaken the 
>sleeping majority of American citizens to the necessity of 
>electing patriots to public office.
>America and American government has fallen far away from the 
>ideals of the founding fathers.  In order to restore limited, 
>Constitutional government with Liberty and Justice for all, it is 
>essential to realize that there is very little the government does 
>that can not be done better and much less expensively by the 
>private sector.  It is essential to realize that government is 
>authorized to do only those things specifically authorized by our 
>federal and state constitutions, and that most of what government 
>does today is unconstitutional.  
>In the United States, governments have powers delegated to them by 
>the people.  Governments have only delegated powers, not rights.  
>Furthermore, any statute must be written under the authority of 
>powers delegated to the government by the Constitution or that 
>statute is not law and is null & void.  Here is a quote for you:  
>"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form
>and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective
>for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its
>enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An
>unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had
>never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to
>settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.
>Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it
>imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or
>authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed
>under it...
>A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional
>law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a
>statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded
>No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to
>enforce it."
>Sixteenth American Jurisprudence Second Edition, Section 256
>What are YOU doing to assist in restoring limited, Constitutional 
>government?  A good place to start would be by financially 
>supporting the organizations listed above.
>for Liberty,
>Bill Utterback
>Life Member GOA
>Ex-member NRA
>Ex-contributor NRA-ILA
>butterb@connecti.com                  (backup: butterb597@aol.com)
>"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from 
>falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the 
>Government from falling into error."
>U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds,
>339 U.S. 382,442
>World's Smallest Political Quiz: http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html  
>Libertarian Party: http://www.rahul.net/lp/
>Fully Informed Jury Association: http://www.fija.org/
>Gun Owners of America: http://www.gunowners.org/
>Police Against the New World Order:
>PGP PUBLIC KEY sent on request.

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