Time: Sun Jul 06 04:33:36 1997 by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23716; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 04:09:28 -0700 (MST) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09734; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 04:09:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:09:15 -0700 To: TWStough@aol.com From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: More facts in support of fed involvement in OKC bombing! FBI / BATF Coverup! (fwd) Yep! That has been my hypothesis all along. Now, let's see if the Oklahoma state grand jury reaches the same conclusion. /s/ Paul Mitchell http://www.supremelaw.com At 06:25 AM 7/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Here is some important additional information about the OKC bombing. We need >to spread the word to every thinking Citizen in this country that the federal >government was behind the bombing and that the purpose was to be able to >crack down on militias and gun ownership. > >If you have not read the OKC materials on <A HREF="http://www.nebonet.com/hea >dhome/dadmisc/liberty.htm">Jeff Head's Liberty Page</A> (some of which are >linked on <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TWStough/main.htm">The American Resi >stance Movement</A> Web Site), PLEASE do so. It is clear that McVeigh did >not act alone. The alternatives are that: > >1. The government knew what McVeigh was going to do and planted the bombs on >the columns inside the Murrah Federal Building so that it would appear that >McVeighs bomb did all the damage. > >2. The government controlled McVeigh who was acting as their agent and >coordinated their strategically place bombs with McVeigh's. > >PLEASE study all the OKC information you can get your hands on. Then get >this information to as many people as possible. If the Oklahoma Grand Jury >does its duty, this could be the smoking gun we need to prove to the American >people that the government is nothing but a front for a criminal organization >(the Conspiracy) designed to rob us of our freedoms, possessions and our >morality (what little there is left). > >============================================== > >In a message dated 97-07-06 06:00:19 EDT, mihra@styx.cerbernet.co.uk (Roger >Bunn) writes: > ><< Subj: Yo Tel, > Date: 97-07-06 06:00:19 EDT > From: mihra@styx.cerbernet.co.uk (Roger Bunn) > To: TWStough@aol.com > > did you know that in some parts of London Terry is shortened to Tel? > > Relating to the Okla City dimension > and State terrorism. > > Tulsa-- Near pandemonium broke out in a federal courtroom here > Monday when a senior agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shocked > observers by telling the court that the spiritual leader of > Elohim City, the Rev. Robert Millar, was a confidential informant for > the FBI. > > The McCurtain Daily Gazette has long been reporting that Elohim City > is a religious and paramilitary compound in east-central Oklahoma that > is frequented by some of the most dangerous members of the neo-Nazi > underground in the United States and Canada. > > Although residents of the cult have continued to deny it publicly, the > Gazette has reported that its sources believe one of those shadowy > figures was Timothy McVeigh. > > Stories published in this newspaper have also exposed Elohim City as > the center of a wide-ranging conspiracy to overthrow the federal government > by members of a group called the Aryan Republican Army. > > Several of those members have since been arrested on charges related > to a string of bank robberies across the midwestern United States. > > <Roger writes... One of these is a cross dressing (yes) skin head > known to her friends as "Donna". Enforcers mainly, probably into > human sacrifice if not, they certainly know where the bodies > are buried> > > The incredible revelation that the leader of Elohim City himself was > part of a government intelligence operation came during a pre-trial > hearing >associated with the upcoming trial of another confidential > informant and frequenter of the compound, Carol E. Howe. > > > Howe, a former Tulsa beauty queen, debutante and one-time paid undercover > informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and > Firearms, is scheduled to stand trial later this month for conspiracy > charges associated with making bomb threats and possession of bomb-making > components. > > Howe was indicted shortly after the Gazette reported that she intended > to be a key witness in the trial of Timothy McVeigh. > > U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over the McVeigh > trial, refused to let Howe testify in Denver-- ruling that her information > that Elohim City was the center of the bombing conspiracy "might > confuse the jury." > > Under questioning Monday by Howe attorney Clark Brewster of Tulsa, Special > Agent Peter Rickel stunned everyone when he reluctantly > admitted that the man Elohim City cult members call "Grandpa" is > really a cooperating source for the FBI. > > Millar's status as a confidential informant began in the fall of 1994. > The FBI admitted in court that Millar was a paid confidential > informant, although the amount of his paycheck was not revealed. > > When Rickel disclosed this startling information, a senior FBI agent > and several U.S. attorneys bolted from the courtroom in an agitated > state. > > Millar's encampment was heretofore considered by experts in > domestic terrorism to be the "Switzerland" of the neo-Nazi movement > in the United States. > > Elohim City, a 1,000-acre area of rolling timberland, is the residence > of some 80 followers. But more importantly, it has played host to some > of this nation's most notable subversives. > > Thus Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could explain why the > compound has never been raided. > > Despite its use as a hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank > robbers and suspected members of the conspiracy that bombed > the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Elohim City > has enjoyed a reputation as a place fugitives can live without fear > of arrest. > > In the weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing, BATF agent > Angela Findley had planned to raid the compound and arrest its > security advisor, Andreas Carl Strassmeir. > > Strassmeir, an illegal alien who migrated to Elohim City from Germany, > was suspected by Findley of converting semi-automatic weapons to > machine guns as well as plotting with other Elohim City residents and > visitors to bomb federal installations. > > Carol Howe reported to Findley during the time she worked for the > BATF. > > Howe told Findley that Strassmeir was the ringleader in the plot to bomb > the Oklahoma City federal building and that Millar was preaching twice a > day to his flock that the group had to act by April 19, 1995, or they would > end up like the Branch Davidians in Waco. > > The arrest of Strassmeir was scrubbed after senior members of the > BATF, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office met in February, 1995 > and discussed Findley's plan. > > Strassmeir was also an important source of intelligence for the U.S. > government. > > In January, 1996, shortly after it was discovered that it was Strassmeir > that Timothy McVeigh had called for in the days before the bombing, the > German national fled to his native Berlin with the aid of German > intelligence officers. > > With Millar now exposed, the loss of Elohim City as a virtual nest of spies > for the U.S. intelligence community is almost assured. > > But such a loss could have consequences far beyond the obvious. > > If Millar was reporting a wider conspiracy to bomb the Oklahoma City > federal building, and those reports were not subsequently turned over to > Timothy McVeigh's defense team, then the withholding of such critical > information by the FBI could get McVeigh a new trial. > > Those reports, as well as Howe's, will likely be sought by the defense > teams for both McVeigh and Terry Nichols and may also be > subpoenaed by the grand jury <convened by my friend Charles Key> in Oklahoma > City to investigate the bombing. > > Also those reports could prove important in several civil suits that are > pending against the government for its alleged failure to notify the > occupants of the Murrah building that there was a heightened risk of > danger on April 19, 1995. And Congress is also looking into the government's > intelligence role in the bombing. > > Calls to the compound to get Millar's comments about the situation > were not returned. > > > 1. The Feds were particularly interested in a discovery motion that they > filed against the accused, Carol Howe. Howe it seems had the effrontery > to tape many of her phone calls with Angela Findley, her ATF handler. > The government would like to get copies of the tapes before Findley > goes on the stand and commits perjury. The Feds are very put out that > Ms. Howe would use their own tactics on them. > > <Do We say: "Bravo, Carol!!" > > > 2. The fed witnesses, while afflicted with a tremendous amount of > "earlier onset of Alzheimer's" (as in "I don't recall...." and "I can't > >remember......") did spend an inordinate amount of time trying to > shield Unterscheissfuhrer Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan > Resistance from negative allegations made by Carol Howe about > bomb making plans, components, etc. "It was almost as if Mahon > was also a snitch, even though one FBI man denied it on the stand," > said one witness in the courtroom when interviewed by a reporter. > from the JDT. > > Perhaps the Feds and Dennis have reached a "modus vivendi" with > each other on the subject of Carol Howe. > > 3. If Millar really was an FBI snitch/provocateur before the bombing, > that would make most of the senior leadership at Elohim City at one > time or another to be Federales-- Millar, Ellison, Strassmeir, etc. Indeed, > not even in Czarist Russia did the secret police send paid provocateurs > to provoke other paid provocateurs. Elohim City can thus be seen in its > true light-- not as an operation infiltrated and suborned by infiltrators-- > > but rather as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the FBI/ATF. This throws > McVeigh's E.C. days in a whole new light. > > It also begs the question of what happens to Millar now... does he > face a new Night of the Long Knives when the E.C. "herrenvolk" find > their "Pastor" has been passing the plate to the Feds?? What, too, > will happen to Special Agent in Charge Thomas Kukor of the OKC > FBI office? I guess we now know what happened when he "sang in > the choir" on special trips to E.C. Was Kukor playing "choirboy" or > bagman" for the coverup when he visited Elohim City on his > "community outreach program?" > > One thing is certain: the FBI could open a new money-making > opportunity: franchised "Rent-A-Nazi" outlets. They own so many of > them they might as well put them to some use that doesn't get > buildings blown up and hundreds of people killed. > > With thanks to the JDT > Roger Bunn > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > From mihra@styx.cerbernet.co.uk Sun Jul 6 05:59:08 1997 > by mrin67.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id FAA11646 for <TWStough@aol.com>; > Sun, 6 Jul 1997 05:59:06 -0400 (EDT) >[193.243.227.12]) by spud.cerbernet.co.uk >(8.8.5/8.6.6-cerbernet-virtualdomains) with SMTP id KAA12614 for ><TWStough@aol.com>; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 10:59:13 +0100 > Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 11:02:52 +0100 > To: TWStough@aol.com > From: mihra@styx.cerbernet.co.uk (Roger Bunn) > Subject: Yo Tel, > >> > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: mihra@styx.cerbernet.co.uk (Roger Bunn) >To: TWStough@aol.com >Date: 97-07-06 06:00:19 EDT > >did you know that in some parts of London Terry is shortened to Tel? > > Relating to the Okla City dimension > and State terrorism. > >Tulsa-- Near pandemonium broke out in a federal courtroom here >Monday when a senior agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shocked >observers by telling the court that the spiritual leader of >Elohim City, the Rev. Robert Millar, was a confidential informant for >the FBI. > >The McCurtain Daily Gazette has long been reporting that Elohim City >is a religious and paramilitary compound in east-central Oklahoma that >is frequented by some of the most dangerous members of the neo-Nazi >underground in the United States and Canada. > >Although residents of the cult have continued to deny it publicly, the >Gazette has reported that its sources believe one of those shadowy >figures was Timothy McVeigh. > >Stories published in this newspaper have also exposed Elohim City as >the center of a wide-ranging conspiracy to overthrow the federal government >by members of a group called the Aryan Republican Army. > >Several of those members have since been arrested on charges related >to a string of bank robberies across the midwestern United States. > ><Roger writes... One of these is a cross dressing (yes) skin head >known to her friends as "Donna". Enforcers mainly, probably into >human sacrifice if not, they certainly know where the bodies >are buried> > >The incredible revelation that the leader of Elohim City himself was >part of a government intelligence operation came during a pre-trial >hearing >associated with the upcoming trial of another confidential >informant and frequenter of the compound, Carol E. Howe. > > >Howe, a former Tulsa beauty queen, debutante and one-time paid undercover >informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and >Firearms, is scheduled to stand trial later this month for conspiracy >charges associated with making bomb threats and possession of bomb-making >components. > >Howe was indicted shortly after the Gazette reported that she intended >to be a key witness in the trial of Timothy McVeigh. > >U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over the McVeigh >trial, refused to let Howe testify in Denver-- ruling that her information >that Elohim City was the center of the bombing conspiracy "might >confuse the jury." > >Under questioning Monday by Howe attorney Clark Brewster of Tulsa, Special >Agent Peter Rickel stunned everyone when he reluctantly >admitted that the man Elohim City cult members call "Grandpa" is >really a cooperating source for the FBI. > >Millar's status as a confidential informant began in the fall of 1994. >The FBI admitted in court that Millar was a paid confidential >informant, although the amount of his paycheck was not revealed. > >When Rickel disclosed this startling information, a senior FBI agent >and several U.S. attorneys bolted from the courtroom in an agitated >state. > >Millar's encampment was heretofore considered by experts in >domestic terrorism to be the "Switzerland" of the neo-Nazi movement >in the United States. > >Elohim City, a 1,000-acre area of rolling timberland, is the residence >of some 80 followers. But more importantly, it has played host to some >of this nation's most notable subversives. > >Thus Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could explain why the >compound has never been raided. > >Despite its use as a hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank >robbers and suspected members of the conspiracy that bombed >the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Elohim City >has enjoyed a reputation as a place fugitives can live without fear >of arrest. > >In the weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing, BATF agent >Angela Findley had planned to raid the compound and arrest its >security advisor, Andreas Carl Strassmeir. > >Strassmeir, an illegal alien who migrated to Elohim City from Germany, >was suspected by Findley of converting semi-automatic weapons to >machine guns as well as plotting with other Elohim City residents and >visitors to bomb federal installations. > >Carol Howe reported to Findley during the time she worked for the >BATF. > >Howe told Findley that Strassmeir was the ringleader in the plot to bomb >the Oklahoma City federal building and that Millar was preaching twice a >day to his flock that the group had to act by April 19, 1995, or they would >end up like the Branch Davidians in Waco. > >The arrest of Strassmeir was scrubbed after senior members of the >BATF, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office met in February, 1995 >and discussed Findley's plan. > >Strassmeir was also an important source of intelligence for the U.S. >government. > >In January, 1996, shortly after it was discovered that it was Strassmeir >that Timothy McVeigh had called for in the days before the bombing, the >German national fled to his native Berlin with the aid of German >intelligence officers. > >With Millar now exposed, the loss of Elohim City as a virtual nest of spies >for the U.S. intelligence community is almost assured. > >But such a loss could have consequences far beyond the obvious. > >If Millar was reporting a wider conspiracy to bomb the Oklahoma City >federal building, and those reports were not subsequently turned over to >Timothy McVeigh's defense team, then the withholding of such critical >information by the FBI could get McVeigh a new trial. > >Those reports, as well as Howe's, will likely be sought by the defense >teams for both McVeigh and Terry Nichols and may also be >subpoenaed by the grand jury <convened by my friend Charles Key> in Oklahoma >City to investigate the bombing. > >Also those reports could prove important in several civil suits that are >pending against the government for its alleged failure to notify the >occupants of the Murrah building that there was a heightened risk of >danger on April 19, 1995. And Congress is also looking into the government's >intelligence role in the bombing. > >Calls to the compound to get Millar's comments about the situation >were not returned. > > >1. The Feds were particularly interested in a discovery motion that they >filed against the accused, Carol Howe. Howe it seems had the effrontery >to tape many of her phone calls with Angela Findley, her ATF handler. >The government would like to get copies of the tapes before Findley >goes on the stand and commits perjury. The Feds are very put out that >Ms. Howe would use their own tactics on them. > > <Do We say: "Bravo, Carol!!" > > >2. The fed witnesses, while afflicted with a tremendous amount of >"earlier onset of Alzheimer's" (as in "I don't recall...." and "I can't >>remember......") did spend an inordinate amount of time trying to >shield Unterscheissfuhrer Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan >Resistance from negative allegations made by Carol Howe about >bomb making plans, components, etc. "It was almost as if Mahon >was also a snitch, even though one FBI man denied it on the stand," >said one witness in the courtroom when interviewed by a reporter. >from the JDT. > >Perhaps the Feds and Dennis have reached a "modus vivendi" with >each other on the subject of Carol Howe. > >3. If Millar really was an FBI snitch/provocateur before the bombing, >that would make most of the senior leadership at Elohim City at one >time or another to be Federales-- Millar, Ellison, Strassmeir, etc. Indeed, >not even in Czarist Russia did the secret police send paid provocateurs >to provoke other paid provocateurs. Elohim City can thus be seen in its >true light-- not as an operation infiltrated and suborned by infiltrators-- >but rather as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the FBI/ATF. This throws >McVeigh's E.C. days in a whole new light. > >It also begs the question of what happens to Millar now... does he >face a new Night of the Long Knives when the E.C. "herrenvolk" find >their "Pastor" has been passing the plate to the Feds?? What, too, >will happen to Special Agent in Charge Thomas Kukor of the OKC >FBI office? I guess we now know what happened when he "sang in >the choir" on special trips to E.C. Was Kukor playing "choirboy" or >bagman" for the coverup when he visited Elohim City on his >"community outreach program?" > >One thing is certain: the FBI could open a new money-making >opportunity: franchised "Rent-A-Nazi" outlets. They own so many of >them they might as well put them to some use that doesn't get >buildings blown up and hundreds of people killed. > >With thanks to the JDT >Roger Bunn > > > > > ======================================================================== Paul Andrew Mitchell : Counselor at Law, federal witness B.A., Political Science, UCLA; M.S., Public Administration, U.C. Irvine tel: (520) 320-1514: machine; fax: (520) 320-1256: 24-hour/day-night email: [address in tool bar] : using Eudora Pro 3.0.3 on 586 CPU website: http://www.supremelaw.com : visit the Supreme Law Library now ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 : this is free speech, at its best Tucson, Arizona state : state zone, not the federal zone Postal Zone 85719/tdc : USPS delays first class w/o this As agents of the Most High, we came here to establish justice. 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