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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:14:44 -0400
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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
To: pmitch@primenet.com
Subject: SLS:  Who "signed" the Constitution?

The states, under the Articles of Confederation,
"signed" the U.S. Constitution, and they had
standing to do so, under the Declaration of
Independence.  They are the Real Parties of
Interest to that compact.  See Article VII,
and the record of state ratifications.  Don't
forget, there was a Congress under the Articles,
and the states were fully functioning sovereign
governments;  that was the legal effect, in 
international law, of severing their political
relationship to the King of England.  The language
which Thomas Jefferson used in that Declaration 
was legally sufficient to render the several
states as Sovereign, Free, Independent nations --
able thereby "to do all other Acts and Things 
which Independent States may of right do."

"And for the support of this Declaration, 
with a firm reliance on the protection of
Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each
other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred 


/s/ Paul Mitchell

At 07:20 PM 8/6/97 -0600, you wrote:
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>>Evan Soule wrote:
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>>> >The Constitution was 'ordained' to last for millennium.  Its concepts
>>> >     provided for all future changes which could be made by man, inas-
>>> >     much as the concepts were taken from God's Own plans for the well-
>>> >     being for humankind.  Too many believe, and this is the source of
>>> >     trouble for this nation (and world), that because the founding
>>> >     fathers established and ordained the Constitution for the people
>>> >     (themselves) that it was wrong because it failed to provide a perm-
>>> >     anent welfare system which would sustain half of the population for
>>> >     the mere 'privilege' of existing; whose existence would be extract-
>>> >     ed from the purses of those who did the planning and execution of
>>> >     the tasks necessary to build a new world.
>>> >
>>> >It is true that those who formed and signed that document were landown-
>>> >     ers and shrewd businessmen, but from what other group of people
>>> >     can possibly be drawn a platform for success?
>>> >
>>> >                                        Ray Earnest
>>> >
>>> Dear Ray:
>>> No one "signed" the Constitution.  It was a "committee" document.
>>> Recommended interesting reading:
>>> "NO TREASON: The Constitution of No Authority" by Lydander Spooner.
>>> Evan Soule'
>>> -> Send "subscribe   snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com
>>> ->  Posted by: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)
>>Dear Evan, please look up the word 'sign', 'signed', etc. and then get
>>     back to me if you so please.  What you mean is that noone 'inked'
>>     the Constitution.  A nod of the head would 'sign' (approve) some-
>>     thing.  While not perfect, I majored in English in college, and my
>>     errors stem from haste, not lack of knowledge.
>>                                        Ray Earnest
>Dear Ray,
>Since there has been a discussion of the distinctions between the
>Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, it is within such a
>context that the word "signed" has significance.  Obviously, the names
>affixed to the former document were signed by those who "pledged their
>lives, fortunes, sacred honor..." while the latter committee document
>contains the names of those whose attendance (and presumed agreement) was
>recorded by the secretary.
>I certainly have great respect and admiration for someone like John Hancock
>who signed (inked) his name large enough to be clearly read -- these men
>were proud to physically sign (ink) their personal names (signatures) upon
>that masterful document and they knew the risk they were taking.  [That
>same level of risk was not the case with those whose names were affixed to
>the bottom of the Constitution by the recording secretary.]  I have nothing
>but total respect for the Declaration of Independence -- in large measure
>the product of one man's mind.  I'm afraid that (but for the Bill of
>Rights) I don't have the same level of respect for the Constitution.
>Best regards,
>Evan Soule'
>-> Send "subscribe   snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com
>->  Posted by: josephnewman@earthlink.net (Evan Soule)

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