Time: Sat Aug 23 09:43:17 1997 by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16661; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:43:05 -0700 (MST) id MAA05158; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:19 -0400 (EDT) id MAA05148; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) id AA22362; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:13 -0400 by usr03.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15279 for <snetnews@world.std.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:40:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:38:43 -0700 To: snetnews@world.std.com From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: SNET: SLS: What's up with the banks? (fwd) -> SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List I got this twice. Was that an error? /s/ Paul Mitchell http://www.supremelaw.com At 12:14 PM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > >-> SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List > > >In a message dated 8/23/97 5:09:36 AM, you wrote: > ><<The international banking cartel is the >Mystery Babylon described in The Revelation. > >But, remember this: the Lord Most High >would not have ordered us out of this Babylon, >without also giving us the wherewithal to do so. > >You must have faith in His Word, and you will >live forever. That is His promise, and on >that you can rely, also forever. > >/s/ Paul Mitchell >http://www.supremelaw.com>> > >** Paul, I respect you and your work and I have a pile of bills here >prepared, one bill being a $45 to you upcoming for membership. So with that >respect stated, I am uncomfortable with the term "most high". I don't know >what that is? If you mean God, why not use the word God. But since until >Christ man was cut off from God and since the only way we have appeal to God >is through Jesus Christ, since he is now our high priest of the order of >Melchizadek, it is really Jesus Christ to whom we appeal to God. We no >longer have a temple in Jerusalem and "priests" who go into the holy of >holies to the presence of God at the veil. That has been taken away in >Christ; Christ reins at the right hand of the father and we are in the >presence of God now through our high priest Jesus Christ. Biblically, I feel >you would be on better grounds by use the name Jesus Christ, instead of most >high. I know you allude to a return of Christ in your writings, but there no >scripture that states Christ is returning future to our time. His return, >judgement, general resurrection are all past tense. To believe otherwise is >to be swept up in futurism, which is nothing more than veiled phariseeism. > Just as you have studied our political situation for years and one cannot >hope to understand it by reading a bumper sticker; the same applies to >appreciate the time frames of scripture and Jesus Statements that he would >return in the lifetime of the apostles and setup the never ending kingdom. I >invite you to begin a study: > >If you were on AOL, these underlined names would be lclickalbe to the web >sites listed under them, but I don't that goes through to internet addresses: > >Please start with these Websites(just click): <A HREF="http://www.eschatology >.org/index.htm">Eschatology Topics...... >(http://www.eschatology.org/index.htm) >and this site(just click): <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9473/">The > Prophecy Palace Homepage >(http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9473/) >and this site(just click): <A HREF="http://www.gcentral.com/users/doctrine/">T >he Preterist Archive of Realized Eschatology >(http://www.gcentral.com/users/doctrine/)........ this website offers $10,000 >to anyone who can put the rapture in the future rather than in the past >and this site(just click):<A HREF="http://www.ulink.net/~kingdom/">Kingdom of >Sovereign Grace >(http://www.ulink.net/~kingdom/) > >------------------------ FINAL Comments: >SECTION 1 >Do you realize Jesus said when all prophecy would be fulfilled? Read >Luke 21:22. > >Here is the context. Jesus was predicting the fall of Jerusalem, see >verses 5-7. In describing that event he said "all things that are >written must be fulfilled." Here are some interesting facts. > >The premillennialist says the only part of the Olivet Discourse, [that >is Matthew 24 and the parallels, Mark 13, Luke 21], that applies to the >destruction of Jerusalem is Luke 21:20-24. They insist the rest speaks >of our time, the Great Tribulation, Israel's restoration, etc. There is >a problem here! > >When it is admitted that Luke 21:22 speaks of the destruction of >Jerusalem and that generation, Luke 21:32, you are thereby admitting >there are no further prophecies to be fulfilled! Jesus said in those >days of Israel's fall "ALL THINGS THAT ARE WRITTEN MUST BE FULFILLED." >Reader, how many prophecies are left out of that "all?" Did Jesus say >all prophecies "except" a few would be fulfilled at that time? Jesus' >words here should make us rethink our concepts of prophecy and the "last >things." > >The trouble is we are so used to thinking in literalistic ways when we >read about the "end times," "end of the age," etc. we fail to discover >the true Biblical meaning of these ideas. The "time of the end" for >instance is not "the end of time." [Actually, that term is not in any >proper translation of the Bible.] Biblically, "the time of the end" when >all prophecy would be fulfilled, was the end of Israel's Old Age and the >full establishment of the New World of Messiah's Age. This is what >Daniel's 70 weeks is all about for instance and corresponds perfectly >with what Jesus said about when all prophecy would be fulfilled. That is >the "end of the age" the disciples asked about in Matthew 24:3. > >When we mistakenly believe the Bible is concerned about the "end of >time" instead of the "time of the end" we cannot allow Jesus' words in >Luke 21:22 to speak for themselves. When we put aside our preconceived >ideas, and allow the Bible to tell us WHEN things were to occur we come >closer to Truth. > >Luke 21:22 is not the only verse that tells us when all prophecy was to >be fulfilled--and they all agree with Jesus in Luke 21:22. > >SECTION 2 > >Is the End of the World near? Are we living in the Last Days? Is >Christ's return at hand? For 150 years here in America we have >constantly been told we were living on the threshold of the end of the >world and Christ's return. Prediction after prediction has failed to >materialize, and false hope after false hope has been foisted upon the >Christian community. Many Christians have been disillusioned, and are >already looking for more reasonable explanations. Some have been so >disillusioned they left the faith altogether. And the secular media (who >are always looking for an excuse) are further discrediting Christianity >because of it. Something is terribly wrong with traditional views of >Bible Prophecy. There is a serious need to re-examine the whole issue of >Last Things. > >Bible prophecy can be understood, but Futurist views have fallen far >short for many reasons: their extreme physical/literalizing approach, >their seeming inability to distinguish between figurative and literal >language, and their failure to properly take into account the >historical-grammatical-cultural context of the prophecies (specifically >what they meant to their original audience). Even the most difficult >prophetic passage comes alive when approached properly. It is time to >look at some alternatives, and the Preterist view is a great place to >start. > >What is the Preterist view, you say? "Preterist" means past in >fulfillment, and "Futurist" means future in fulfillment. Preterist >basically means the opposite of Futurist. Futurists believe most >end-time prophecies (especially the major ones) are yet to be fulfilled. >Preterists believe that most or all of Bible Prophecy has already been >fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom. Most >Futurists do not really believe Christ has been successful yet in fully >establishing His kingdom. > >The "Preterist" interpretation of Bible prophecy has been mentioned >several times in publications such as Christianity Today, Christian >News, Great Christian Books catalog, World Magazine, and several others. >There are already two daily radio programs around the country teaching >from the preterist perspective and several monthly and quarterly >publications. Scores of preterist books, tracts, video and audio tapes >have been produced and many more are on the way. It is beginning to >capture significant public attention, and is "spreading like wildfire" >at the grass roots level. It is compatible with the essential beliefs of >all Christians, and is already represented in nearly all denominations. > >When will Christ return? This question is relevant, and can be answered >by scripture. Jesus seems to have answered it very clearly in these >passages (Matt. 10:23; Matt. 16:27,28; Matt. 24:34). Ever wonder why the >First Century Christians expected Jesus to come in their lifetime, and >where they got this expectation from? Take a look at the extreme sense >of imminency in these passages: James 5:8,9; 1 Pet. 4:7; Matt. 10:23; >Matt. 16:27,28; Matt. 24:34. These verses have always troubled Bible >students, and have been used by liberal theologians to attack the >inspiration of Scripture. They reason that these passages were not >fulfilled when they were supposed to be (the first century generation), >so Jesus and the NT writers failed in their predictions and were therefo >re not inspired. But these verses point to Christ's coming in some sense >in connection with the Fall of Jerusalem at 70 AD. So, Jesus' >predictions were fulfilled. He did not fail, nor do we need to engage in >theological gymnastics to try to explain-away the seeming delay or >postponement of His return. It happened right on schedule. Many knew the >destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was important in God's plan of >redemption, but never understood its full significance. The final events >of the redemptive drama came to pass in the first century within the >apostles' generation (before A.D. 70). Christ's kingdom is here now. >Paradise has been restored in Christ (spiritually-speaking). We live in >the Garden of Eden now (if we are in Christ), just as sure as we can >know we have "eternal life." These are present and abiding benefits, not >pie-in-the-sky bye-and-bye. Christ has conquered all His enemies and has >given us the Kingdom. > >This view offers a much more positive and realistic worldview. It is >conservative, consistent, optimistic, responsible and accountable. And >it robs us of no motivation for either living the Christian life, or >evangelizing the world. In fact, it's the only view which gives us a >consistent reason for being constructively involved in making the world >a better place for the long-term. > >Bible prophecy absolutely makes sense when approached from this >past-fulfillment (preterist) perspective! It puts emphasis on the >spiritual nature of God's Kingdom, not on the physical, materialistic, >sensual, and sensational. It teaches a realized spiritual salvation in >Christ and the Church now, instead of a frustrated hope for a postponed >sensually-gratifying paradise way off in the future. It has an >optimistic worldview that gets involved, makes a positive difference, >and lights a candle, rather than cursing the darkness, longing for a >rapture-escape, or retreating from society. It doesn't engage in >wild-eyed speculation like futurist views. It's just simple, >straight-forward Bible interpretation. > >Some of the great theologians and scholars of the last 300 years have >suggested the preterist view for consideration, but traditional >Christianity was too caught up with the idea that the Pope was the >Antichrist or some other such Futurist notion. But that has changed. We >are not as gullible now as they were when William Miller, Darby, >Russell, Rutherford, Scofield, Walvoord, and Hal Lindsey came along. A >constant barrage of false predictions has made us more wary. > >Over a hundred years ago, Dr. James Stuart Russell (1816-1895), pastor >of a Congregational Church in Bayswater, England (no relation to Chas. >T. Russell of Jehovah's Witness infamy), wrote a book entitled, THE >PAROUSIA - A Critical Inquiry Into The New Testament Doctrine Of Our >Lord's Second Coming. It is now back in print and selling well in >Christian bookstores in America and elsewhere. This is the most popular >introduction to and defense of the preterist view of Bible Prophecy in >print today. Most theologians in Europe a century ago took a preterist >approach, so it is not surprising to hear some of Russell's well-known >contemporaries say nice things about his book: F. W. Farrar said the >book was "full of suggestiveness." Milton Terry, who wrote Biblical Herm >eneutics, quoted extensively from Russell's book and fully endorsed >Russell's preterist approach. Charles H. Spurgeon, who did not hold the >preterist view, nevertheless stated that the book "throws so much new >light upon obscure portions of the Scriptures, and is accompanied with >so much critical research and close reasoning, that it can be injurious >to none and may be profitable to all." Well-known conservative writers >and theologians in our day are saying similar things about Russell and >the preterist view. Listen to these statements by Gary DeMar, Dr. R. C. >Sproul, Dr. Kenneth Gentry and Walt Hibbard. > >"How many times have you struggled with the interpretation of certain >Biblical texts related to the time of Jesus' return because they did not >fit with a preconceived system of eschatology? Russell's Parousia takes >the Bible seriously when it tells us of the nearness of Christ's return. >Those who claim to interpret the Bible literally, trip over the obvious >meaning of these time texts by making Scripture mean the opposite of >what it unequivocally declares. Reading Russell is a breath of fresh air >in a room filled with smoke and mirror hermeneutics." - (Gary DeMar - >Author of Last Days Madness) > >"I believe that Russell's work is one of the most important treatments >on Biblical eschatology that is available to the church today. The >issues raised in this volume with respect to the time-frame references >of the New Testament to the Parousia are vitally important not only for >eschatology but for the future debate over the credibility of Sacred >Scripture." - (Dr. R. C. Sproul - Chairman, Ligonier Ministries) > >"Although I do not agree with all the conclusions of J. Stuart Russell's >The Parousia, I highly recommend this well-organized, carefully argued, >and compellingly written defense of preterism to serious and mature >students of the Bible. It is one of the most persuasive and challenging >books I have read on the subject of eschatology and has had a great >impact on my own thinking. Russell's biblico-theological study of New >Testament eschatology sets a standard of excellence." - (Dr. Kenneth L. >Gentry, Jr. - Author of Before Jerusalem Fell) > >"In view of Dr. Russell's marvelous and insightful observations, no >serious student of Biblical eschatology should attempt to construct a >systematic scheme of apocalyptic events without first consulting this >19th century work, The Parousia." - (Walt Hibbard - Chairman, Great >Christian Books) > >Russell's book is certainly very helpful in understanding Bible >prophecy, but many have discovered the preterist view through their own >independent study of scripture. Biblical prophecy is bursting with >meaning for them now. If you haven't taken a look at the >past-fulfillment approach to Biblical prophecy, it is time you did. >Email, snail-mail or call us here at Kingdom Counsel to learn more, so >you can finally make sense out of Bible Prophecy without being taken for >a ride by the date-setters. >--------------------------------------------- > >I trust in the name of the Lord that you will make an effort to diligently >study what I've provided here. > >Michael Smith >MSMITH6791@AOL.COM > > > >-> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com >-> Posted by: MSmith6791@aol.com > > > ======================================================================== Paul Andrew Mitchell : Counselor at Law, federal witness B.A., Political Science, UCLA; M.S., Public Administration, U.C. 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