Time: Mon Sep 29 06:50:40 1997 by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA02842; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:50:35 -0700 (MST) 09:49:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:44:23 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: FYI: Eudora Pro 3.0.3(32) on Windows 95 List-Software: LetterRip 2.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo@wso2.williams.edu?subject=subscribe%20eudora-win> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo@wso2.williams.edu?subject=unsubscribe%20eudora-win> Dear IBM, We scheduled a major system upgrade from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95 for yesterday, and the day before, because weekends are generally the best time for such major disruptions. However, we ran into a severe problem which prevents Eudora Pro 3.0.3(32) from working at all with IBM.NET, even though the 16-bit version 3.0.3(16) works just fine. All that your tech support people could tell us, is that we need to contact Eudora. Since they do not work on weekends (and we do), we were stuck for 10 hours on both days, trying to isolate the problem (20 hours total). Also, in downloading the latest Eudora Pro updater from their website, we discovered that this file has changed in size, although it still has the same name. To confirm this finding, we started the download on two separate machines: a 586/200 with Win95 connected to IBM.NET, and a 586/100 with Windows 3.11, connected to Primenet. Even though the Win95 machine has a 33.6K modem and much faster processor and disks, the download from IBM took more than twice as long. Are you throttling the throughput of downloads for certain users? If so, why? Also, do your tech support people have information about this Eudora Pro problem which they refused or neglected to share with us? I am a busy professional, like you, but neither of us has time to waste. I certainly do [was "don't"] I think it would have been proper for your tech support people to inform me of the nature of this problem, and/or to search for an answer and get back to me, so that I could have spent the past 20 hours on something more productive, rather than spinning our wheels on an unsolvable error. Does the term "Remote Passphrase Authorization" mean anything, to which you might be able to respond? What follows is proof that the download via IBM.NET was twice as slow as the simultaneous download via Primenet using a slower CPU, slower modem, and much slower disks (compressed drives at 16MB/sec. v. uncompressed drives at 33MB/sec.) In other words, the slow download rate is being caused by your equipment, quite obviously. We are still evaluating IBM.NET as our recommended ISP for medium to heavy email and website traffic. Unless these problems can be corrected timely, I regret to inform you that we cannot recommend your technology at this time. We look forward to your immediate response, and corrections, to these problems. /s/ Paul Mitchell http://supremelaw.com copy: Supreme Law School, Qualcomm, The Internet Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:17:24 -0700 To: supremelaw@ibm.net From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: Question Hi Jerry, I tested your hypothesis by invoking Netscape on two machines in parallel: a 586 with Windows 3.11, and a 586 with Windows 95. Both started the same download of the very same file at the same time. Here are the results from the Windows 3.11 machine (which finished first, via Primenet): on September 28, 1997 at 7:30 p.m. PDT, on the Internet via Primenet, Windows 3.11, Intel 586/100, Netscape 3.0, at URL: http://www.eudora.com/eudorapro/updaters.html click on: Download Eudora Pro for Windows 3.0 -> 3.0.3 Updater NDOS DIR command produces the following: Volume in drive C is MS-DOS_6 Serial number is 1ED2:0A37 Directory of c:\temp\*.exe eup303up.exe 4704736 9-28-97 7:27p 4,704,736 bytes in 1 file(s) 4,710,400 bytes allocated 53,518,336 bytes free This is the same result as I obtained earlier, to wit: EUP303UP EXE 4,704,736 09-28-97 11:19a eup303up.exe [same name] I am now still waiting for the Windows 95 machine to finish, which is connected to IBM.NET with a faster modem (33.6 v. 28.8) and a faster processor (200MHz v. 100MHz). IBM's version of Netscape is reporting roughly half the download rate (1K/sec v. 2K/sec via Primenet/Win3.11). I will generate a similar report when the IBM download is done, but I will have to move the report file over to this machine, because I still cannot access Eudora email via IBM.NET. When I do that, I will do a File Compare ("FC") on the two files, assuming they are the exact same size. Please stand by. And, thanks for the help!! /s/ Paul Mitchell http://supremelaw.com At 09:00 PM 9/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >I got in on this late, I am not sure what your problem is exactly. Let me >know. I will be here all evening and will help you once you get the backup >done. Even though it is a High Holiday. > >Jerry > >Jerry Block > >mailto:jblock@iquest.net >Jerry's Sports Center http://members.iquest.net/~jblock >*** Support H.R. 1748 to ban junk email (spam): http://www.cauce.org >*** >Page me on ICQ UIN# 1984642 > > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:17:40 -0700 To: supremelaw@ibm.net From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: Question Hi Jerry, As promised: here are the results for the Windows 95 machine (which finished second, behind Primenet): on September 28, 1997, at 8:05 p.m. PDT, on the Internet via IBM.NET, Windows 95, Intel 586/200, Netscape 3.0 (modified by IBM), at URL: http://www.eudora.com/eudorapro/updaters.html click on: Download Eudora Pro for Windows 3.0 -> 3.0.3 Updater DOS "DIR EUP303UP.*" command produces the following: Volume in drive C has no label Volume Serial Number is 3442-10CE Directory of C:\temp EUP303UP EXE 4,704,736 09-28-97 11:19a eup303up.exe [earlier] EUP303UP EX2 4,704,736 09-28-97 8:05p eup303up.ex2 [later] 2 file(s) 9,409,472 bytes 0 dir(s) 4,178.64 MB free After copying the Win95 file to the Win3.11 machine, on the Win3.11 machine the NDOS "DIR EUP303UP.*" command produces: Volume in drive C is MS-DOS_6 Serial number is 1ED2:0A37 Directory of c:\temp\eup303up.* eup303up.ex2 4704736 9-28-97 8:05p eup303up.exe 4704736 9-28-97 7:27p 9,409,472 bytes in 2 file(s) 9,420,800 bytes allocated 46,669,824 bytes free Now, do a File Compare ("FC") on these two files: Comparing files EUP303UP.EXE and EUP303UP.EX2 FC: no differences encountered Qualcomm is not being exactly straight with us. Also, I think I may have found the source of my problem: read the README file mentioned right after the link to the 3.0.3 updater: README -- Important Information about this updater There is something "new" in 3.0.3: Remote Passphrase Authentication ("RPA") Ugh!! It's no wonder that the IBM tech support people keep referring me to Qualcomm tech support. Wanna bet IBM.NET does not support RPA yet? ;-) It's bed time for me. I've had enough of this nonsense for one day (after 10+ hours of trouble-shooting). /s/ Paul Mitchell http://supremelaw.com --------- This message brought to you by WSO - http://wso.williams.edu/ To unsubscribe, send any message to eudora-win-off@wso.williams.edu FAQ available at http://wso.williams.edu/~eudora/ Searchable message archive: http://wso.williams.edu/listserv/eudora-win/
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