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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: L&J: NEED HELP WITH W-4
References: <1.5.4.16.19971002005457.3ab7cf58@pop.chv.mindspring.com>
W-8 is one of the only forms which states,
expressly, that you can modify it, however.
So, we have modified it -- extensively.
/s/ Paul Mitchell
http://supremelaw.com
At 07:55 AM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>W-8 is bogus to use as a citizen I hear. Fraud pure and simple.
>
>
>>
>> Take a close look at the form W-8.
>>
>> 1. Does it have an OMB control number and expiration date in the upper
right
>> corner? If not, you are not required to file it with the government.
>>
>> 2. Does it show a warning "Do not send to the IRS" there instead? Why would
>> it say this, unless the IRS wants to disavow that they ever received it?
>>
>> You should instead read 26 CFR 1.1441-5 and supply a Statement of
>> Citizenship in duplicate. Mine says that I am a natural born Sovereign of
>> the Kansas republic, and os of these united States of America.
>>
>> Get copies of Publication 515, 26 USC 6109, 26 CFR 301.6109(c), 26 USC
>> 6724(a) and 26 CFR 301.6676-1.
>>
>> Approach your (non-statutory) employer and ask him if he knows what the
>> proper procedures are for a citizen who does not hae a SSN. Show him
that he
>> needs to send the duplicate SoC to the Philla office as shown in 26 CFR
>> 1.1441-5(c) with a letter of transmittal, stating that the worker has no
SSN
>> and that he has complied with 26 CFR 301.6109(c).
>>
>> At the end of the year he sends in a 1099 with an Affidavit of Request and
>> Transmittal which states that this worker is a Citizen and has no SSN.
>>
>> Do this every year.
>>
>> B
>>
>> At 05:22 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Friends of Freedom & Justice,
>> >
>> > A close friend has asked me for advice on filing
>> > a substitute form W-8 in lieu of the W-4. He obtained
>> > a form from an unknown source and asked me for
>> > if the form was sufficient for his purpose. Anyone
>> > who can offer some help or advice on using this form
>> > would be most appreciated.
>> >
>> > The information contained on the form, and signed
>> > under penalties of perjury, is as follows:
>> >
>> > ***********************************************
>> >
>> >Sub. Form W-8 Certificate of Foreign Status
>> >For Department of the Treasury
>> >Internal Revenue Service
>> >
>> >Name
>> >
>> >Current mailing address, if different from permanent
>> >address (Include apt. or suite no., or P.O. box if
>> >mail is not delivered to street address.)
>> >
>> >City, town or post office, state, and ZIP code (If
>> >foreign address, enter city, province or state,
>> >postal code, and country.)
>> >
>> >Certification.-- I solemnly swear under penalty of
>> >perjury, adhering to the laws of the United States
>> >of America, that I am an exempt foreign person, not
>> >subject to any backup withholding.
>> >
>>
>___________________________________________________________________________
>> >Signature Date
>> >
>> >General Instructions
>> >
>> >Purpose
>> >
>> >Use Form W-8 or a substitute form containing a
>> >substantially similar statement (affidavit) to
>> >tell the workplace, payer, mortgage interest
>> >recipient, middleman, broker, or barterer that
>> >you are an exempt foreign person not subject
>> >to backup withholding rules or certain U.S.
>> >information return reporting rules.
>> >
>> >Exempt Foreign Person
>> >
>> >An exempt foreign person is not required to provide
>> >information to his workplace or other payer as to
>> >why he or she is exempt from all withholding. The
>> >signing of this affidavit (as seen below) is sufficient
>> >evidence that he or she is an exempt foreign person
>> >within the meaning of Internal Revenue Code. The payer
>> >must accept this signed affidavit as being a valid
>> >representation of this person's status. Note: All
>> >persons are subject to all perjury laws, and may be
>> >prosecuted for false statements made on this form.
>> >The workplace, or other payer, is completely free
>> >from liability when using this form. The person's
>> >signed oath constitutes as acceptance of full
>> >responsibility and liability for the accuracy of
>> >everything stated herein.
>> >
>> >U.S. Taxpayer Identification Numbers
>> >
>> >Internal Revenue laws requires that certain income
>> >be reported to the Internal Revenue Service using a
>> >U.S. taxpayer identification number (TIN). This number
>> >can be a social security number assigned to individuals
>> >by the Social Security Administration or an employer
>> >identification number assigned to businesses and other
>> >entities by the Internal Revenue Service.
>> >
>> >Exempt foreign persons signing this affidavit are
>> >not required to have, or provide to the workplace
>> >or other payer, a social security number or other
>> >taxpayer identification number.
>> >
>> >Filing Instructions
>> >
>> >When To File.---File Form W-8 or substitute form
>> >before a payment is made. This form may be used by
>> >any person who is exempt from backup withholding.
>> >It must be used in place of Form W-4. Note: Do not
>> >file a Form W-4 for an exempt foreign person signing
>> >this affidavit.
>> >
>> >Where To File.---File this form with the workplace
>> >or other payer who is the withholding agent (see
>> >Withholding Agent below). Keep a copy for your
>> >own records.
>> >
>> >Instructions to Withholding Agents
>> >
>> >Withholding Agent.---Generally, any person required
>> >to withhold tax is a withholding agent. A withholding
>> >agent may be an individual, trust, estate, partnership,
>> >corporation, government agency, association, or
>> >tax-exempt foundation.
>> >
>> >Retention of Statement.--Keep Form W-8 or substitute
>> >form in your records for at least four years following
>> >the end of the last calendar year during which the
>> >payment is paid or collected. Withholding.---This
>> >signed Form W-8 or substitute is an affidavit that
>> >this person is exempt from all withholding. This
>> >includes, but is not limited to, federal and state
>> >taxes, local taxes, medicare, social security, or
>> >any other generally assumed withholding. This person
>> >is to receive a "gross payment" and is personally
>> >responsible for any possible tax liabilities.
>> >
>> >The use of this form does not preclude a person from
>> >voluntarily allowing withholding for the payment of
>> >medical/dental benefits, investment programs, or any
>> >other commodities offered by the withholding agent
>> >on a volunteer basis.
>> >
>> >Note: Exemption from withholding does not necessarily
>> >exempt this person from the annual tax liability.
>> >
>> > *************************************************
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance for your input and God bless,
>> >
>> > patriotz@aol.com (Ted Pedemonti)
>> >
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>> e:bradbva@chv.mindspring.com
>> ========================================================
>> "The government which steps out of the ranks of the
>> ordinary articles of consumption to select and lay under
>> disproportionate burdens a particular one because it is
>> a comfort, pleasing to the taste or necessary to the
>> health and will therefore be bought, is in that
>> particular a tyranny."
>> --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Smith, 1823.
>> http://pages.prodigy.com/jefferson_quotes/
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