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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: L&J: Thumbprints and UBA
Use P.L. 93-579 as your prototype:
demand to see the law they are citing.
Then, tell them that privacy is a
fundamental Right, which renders it
supreme Law, pursuant to the Supremacy
Clause.
/s/ Paul Mitchell
http://supremelaw.com
At 08:13 AM 10/4/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Thursday I took my grandmother to the Wells Fargo Bank branch
>at 33rd S. State, and while there, attempted to cash a check
>she had written me for lawn mowing. They said they could cash
>it, so I endorsed it and tendered it to them. They were not
>even interested in ID, but instead insisted that I thumbprint
>the check. I refused to do this as I consider it an unjustified
>release of personal biometric data, and a violation of the
>Privacy Act of 1974. They refused to cash it, and I threatened
>to complain about their "policy" on the Internet, and sue them.
>They claimed that all banks and credit unions are required to
>obtain thumbprints from non-account holders who cash checks
>written to them.
>
>At this point my grandmother had had enough, so put her thumbprint
>on the check, counter-endorsed it, and gave me the cash.
>
>I called my credit union, and they *DO NOT* have any such policy:
>only requiring signature and ID. I also called the UBA. The president,
>Howard M. Headlee <hheadlee@uba.org> and the VP, Becky Wilkes
><bwilkes@uba.org>, were at a convention until Tuesday, but I spoke
>with "Debby". She said that the UBA had promoted the policy, but
>that it is not mandatory, and did not know what authorization
>banks have to refuse to cash checks without thumbprints.
>
>Has anyone on this list any special knowledge about this?
>Have banks authority to make such demands, or are they in
>violation of legal requirements? What recourse is there to
>force them to cash checks without acceding to demands for
>thumbprints, SSNs and the like?
>
>Please forward if desired, with a request that answers be
>copied to scott.bergeson@m.cc.utah.edu
>
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