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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: Roach sides with Karen Schmidt on Drivers Licenses
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Dear Jackie/Mike,
One available option is to buy a new or used
car/truck in a neighboring state.
On the paperwork you must sign, inform the DMV
in the seller's state that you will be traveling
with this car/truck to another state.
You cannot "finance" such a purchase;
you must pay for the car/truck in full,
so that you have a Bill of Sale in
the glove compartment, or better yet,
in your pocket. If the car/truck is
then stolen, you would not want the Bill of Sale
to get stolen with it!!
Once the car/truck is paid for, you may need
to hire a licensed driver to "drive" it off the lot,
due to restrictions in the seller's insurance policy.
But, that will dispense with the need to
register it in the seller's state. Also,
it helps to tender lawful money during
this transaction, and to sign all papers
"Without Prejudice" [sic].
More details are available at my private
email address:
[address in toolbar]
/s/ Paul Mitchell
http://supremelaw.com
At 11:18 AM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>So law will be passed to steal your car if you dont' have a license. While
>fighting taxes obviously is important, now it appears no one will be able to
>get around if this goes through.
>
>I think it resquires an overhwleming response and challege....who can file
>declaration suits on this issue?
>
>Michael Smith
>---------------------
>Forwarded message:
>From: idzrus@nwlink.com (idzrus)
>To: idzrus@nwlink.com
>Date: 97-10-14 05:29:24 EDT
>
> Well, here we go folks:
>Sen. Pam Roach (R31) is going to propose legislation to allow your vehicle
>to be 'stolen' from you if you do not have a drivers license. This is the
>same Pam Roach that last session fought (?) so hard to stop Rep. Karen
>Schmidt's HB 1243 (Fingerprints/SSN on Drivers Licenses) from passing
>Roach's Sen. L&J Committee. So if you are among the thousands that oppose
>the 'enhanced drivers license' and refuse to get one - look out.
>
>Another very interesting bit of information has bubbled to the top in all
>this. There is a major conference to be held at Lake Tahoe 10/31 -
>11/2/97: {clipped from announcement - It appears that "militias" are
>creating a substantial problem for several of the states' Departments of
>Motor Vehicles. Apparently, significant numbers of "militia" members, or
>their supporters, are collectively refusing to get driver's licenses. This
>growing phenomena
>will be the focus of discussion at an upcoming event sponsored by "The
>American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA)". The event
>is being promoted as the "Driver Licensing and Control / Financial
>Responsibility Fall Workshop".}
>
>An interesting coincidence to this conference is that in Washington State
>on Nov. 4, 1997 from 9:30am to 3:00 pm in Hearing Room "A" of the JLOB a
>seminar is being held on "" PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WASHINGTON STATE
>DRIVERS LICENSE"". This seminar is a 'collaborative effort' of the
>Legislative Transportation Comm., The DOL, and the Governors office. The
>MEMORANDUM was sent out by Karen Schmidt.
>I suggest a question that begs an answer is, HOW MANY Washington State
>legislators have signed up to attend the TAHOE meeting?
>
>Put your thinking caps on folks, What they failed to get last session they
>fully intend to accomplish this session - ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
>
>Jackie Juntti
>idzrus@nwlink.com
>http://www.nwlink.com/~idzrus/index.html
>
>
>
> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
> Monday, Oct. 13, 1997
>
>Thousands on the road lack drivers licenses
>
> by Murray Whyte
> Seattle Times staff reporter
>
>>From Seattle to Bellevue, streets and highways clot with traffic like
>arteries hardening from a rich diet. And as the number of cars swells, so
>do the ranks of unlicensed drivers.
>
>"You'd be shocked if you knew how many people were out there driving
>without a license," said Bellevue District Court Administrator Doug
>Mincher. "It's more common than you could even imagine."
>
>Last year nearly 2,600 people were tried in Bellevue for driving with a
>suspended license or no license at all. And that doesn't count the many
>that never were caught, Mincher said. In Seattle, the number is nearly
>12,000.
>
>Many people drive without insurance, despite the $475 fine the infraction
>carries. Last year 2,608 people were caught driving without insurance in
>Bellevue.
>
>As many as 20 percent of all vehicles statewide are uninsured, a figure
>that has been on the upswing for the past three years, said Chris Jahrman,
>underwriting manager at Pemco Insurance.
>
>The problem has gotten big enough to draw the attention of the state
>Legislature. A bill to be introduced in the next session by state Sen. Pam
>Roach, R-Auburn, would allow police to impound vehicles of suspended
>drivers on the spot. According to a report on the bill, 75 percent of
>drivers with suspended licenses drive anyway. That's a
>threat to public safety, Roach said.
>
>"By definition, if you've had your license suspended, there's something
>wrong with your driving habits," she said. "We're trying to introduce some
>accountability to those drivers."
>
>Seattle City Attorney Mark Sid ran is also a backer of the impound bill.
>
>"A lot of suspended drivers are simply bad drivers," he said. "They're
>drunk drivers who are still driving, they're careless, they might have
>traffic infractions, so it's a major safety issue."
>
>Sidran cited a statistic from a California traffic study: A suspended
>driver is three times more likely to kill or severely injure someone than a
>driver with a valid license is.
>
>"These people are irresponsible not only in the way they drive, but
>irresponsible generally," he said.
>
>"You have a lot of these people who may not worry about what might happen
>tomorrow, but they're quite responsive when the tow truck pulls up. When
>you take someone's car, you get their attention."
>
>In Santa Barbara, Calif., accidents declined 32 percent after a similar law
>was passed and rigidly enforced. Fewer suspended drivers were caught as
>well, Roach said, indicating that aggressive enforcement keeps them off the
>road. Although the Washington law would be voluntary - municipalities could
>choose to enforce it or not - she hopes to see the same results here.
>
>Susan Irwin, city prosecutor for Bellevue, said that on any court calendar
>any day of the week, the suspended-driver infractions are many and show no
>sign of declining.
>
>"If anything, it's getting more and more common," she said.
>
>Even hefty fines and the threat of jail time don't seem to provide a
>deterrent. Second- and third-degree offenders pay up to $1,000 for driving
>with suspended licenses and face up to 90 days in jail, while first-degree
>offenders pay up to $5,000 and can go to jail for as long as a year.
>
>People who don't have drivers' licenses at all - 691 were charged in
>Bellevue for unlicensed driving last year - are common, too, Irwin said.
>
>"We have a lot of people who seem to like to drive, but can't seem to be
>bothered to go to DOL (Department of Licensing) and get their pictures
>taken," she said. They face up to 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.
>
>In Seattle last year, 9,164 people went to Seattle Municipal Court for
>driving with suspended licenses, including 8,263 in the third degree. The
>same year, 3,550 were found to be driving with no license at all.
>
>First-degree offenders typically are chronic traffic lawbreakers who drive
>knowing their licenses have been suspended. Second-degree offenders might
>have had their licenses suspended for reckless driving or drunken driving,
>while third-degree offenders have been cited for nonpayment of tickets.
>
> Murray Whyte's phone message number is 206-515-5686. His e-mail
>address is: mwhy-new@seatimes.com
>
>
>
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