Time: Tue Dec 02 08:12:59 1997 To: From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: SLS: The Waco Incident (fwd) Cc: Bcc: sls References: <snip> > > >does come, that's a bridge we cross at that time. > >XX: Well, I appreciate what you all are doing. Keep getting the word >out. > >JH: Thank you, sir. We appreciate your call. Mr. Hall, I think you >alluded to it in the last hour. You said a lot of folks were upset. >You said a lot of folks were mad. You said a lot of us are armed and >yet at the same time we know there are still so many things we can do. >One of the things, and I believe I would be correct in saying this, >one of the things that most corrupt governments -- our system of >government is not corrupt. The people in it are corrupt, and one of >the greatest things those individuals would fear would be an educated >electorate. Would that be correct? > >DH: I think you're exactly right. I believe that common sense among >all of us as Americans -- the only thing I can see an uprising would >do would destroy the country. Like you said, it's not time for >anything like that. We have a good government, we just have some bad >people in it, and we have to take these people out, and we do it >through due process and elections, that type of thing. Guns are not >the answer in my opinion. > >JH: Let's go to Missouri this evening where Ann is standing by. >Hello, Ann. > >XX: Hi there. > >JH: How are you? > >XX: Mr. Hall, when you say that you're going to air this on your >station in Oklahoma on the 19th of September, is there any way for >those of us in the Kansas City, Missouri, area to get this? Can you >help us with this? > >DH: What I would do is call, probably an independent television >station if you. . . > >XX: Okay, that would be 50 or 62. They're the two independent. > >DH: . . .and they may already be taking the feed. Now this will be a >national feed. It's a 140 stations that have already cleared. I'm >not sure -- I'm at home tonight, so I don't have a list of those >stations, and there's new stations that are coming online daily. It's >quite possible already one of the stations in Kansas City are taking >the feed and will air it at that time. But if not, I would call the >station. > >XX: Call the stations here in the KC area? > >DH: Yeah. . . > >JH: Just call up the station -- in fact, Mr. Hall, if she were to call >one of them now and they already know they are taking it, I'm sure >they would tell her. > >DH: That's right. They will tell her. > >JH: So Ann, just call channel 50 and 62, I believe you mentioned there >in your area. Ask either one. . . > >XX: They're the two independent stations here, yes. > >JH: . . .Yes. Call either one of them or both of them and ask them if >they are taking the Waco program on the 19th and -- what time was >that, sir? > >DH: I believe it's going to be either 7:00 or 8:00 Eastern time. They >will see that. Promos will start on the show about the 20th of >August, so they'll be seeing it on their station. > >JH: Fantastic. Ann, thank you very much for your call. Break time. >"Washington On Trial" from the Peoples' Radio Network will continue. > >[Break] > >JH: Huntsville, Texas, reporting in. Hello, Bill. > >XX: I really appreciate the programs that you have. I think that talk >radio has really revived and informed the electorate. I think that's >what Con gress and them are afraid of. One question I had for Mr. >Hall. I was a personal friend here of the "Houston Chronicle" >representative that covered that, and I thought from the day that it >happened that things just didn't fit. You don't dispense tear gas >with tanks like they did. But I never could get any response out of >her to delve into it. One thing that's bothered me, as Mr. Hall will >remember. They brought in two dogs too, they said [DH is laughing] to >sniff out a conflagrant. They came from Pennsylvania. > >DH: I laugh when I hear you say that. > >XX: Do you suppose that was to determine the cyanide concentration? > >DH: I'm not real sure what purpose those dogs had. They of course >said they were looking for accellerant and I just don't know. It was >almost to the point of being ridiculous to bring those dogs in there, >as we looked at it, so I really don't have any idea what they were >looking for other than just. . .I thought they were there to stage a >play of some sort. > >XX: I felt maybe it was kind of similar to the rabbit test. [I think >he may mean the canary test, grin] If the dog don't go in. . . > >DH: I wouldn't put anything past them. > >XX: But I had just never heard that mentioned. I remember them flying >those in there. > >DH: Those dogs that came in, and the people that were involved in that >-- one of those people was a former FBI agent, and I believe the other >one worked or had worked for the Justice Department that had that firm >[that owned the dogs] when we checked those people out that had the >dogs. Again it was some of their people coming in to check. Nothing >independent about any of that. > >XX: Well, we appreciate what you're doing and we're looking forward to >it. Is this already set up for Senate hearings or what? > >DH: It isn't yet, but we're almost satisfied that it will be. > >XX: Okay, that's great. > >JH: Bill, thank you very much for your call, sir. From Huntsville, >Texas we move to Covington, Indiana. Lee, hello. > >XX: I just wanted to call and tell you that I've been going around >talking to Christian groups. Last Friday night I went to a group near >here and talked to 55 people. We had Stu Webb there, and he's been >travelling around Ohio and Indiana, and he talked for four hours. I >got his book, too, and a tape on him. But I wanted to let you know I >was working at it, and I appreciate you down there. Also I've called. >. .I sent you some mail, I don't know whether you got it or not. > >JH: I'll have to go back and double check it. Our mail sometimes is a >little slow, according to the volume. The heavy amount sometimes >slows it down. > >XX: The Attica station where I pick you up at 1:00 every night [WBQR >FM] -- I've been taping your shows for the last two months -- they >changed hands and they took you and Chuck [Harder] off. > >JH: Rascals. But we appreciate the time they allowed us on. Maybe >they'll get us back. > >XX: Well, I don't know. I think another station bought it that's tied >up with the main news media. I'm really disappointed because I have >no way of picking you up. > >JH: Well, check shortwave radio, 11.950, and start checking around >midnight. [This should be WINB, Red Lion, Pennsylvania.] > >XX: Does it come on as a replay? > >JH: I believe so. I'm not totally sure. I'm passing on what I >believe to be accurate information. I believe it's around midnight, >and you might want to try 11.950. > >XX: And I might say, too that I've called Senator Lugar's office >[Richard G. Lugar, R-IN] several times and I've called Senator Coats >[Dan Coats, R-IN]. Now Senator Lugar is running for office. I've >been out here working against him, trying to get him beat, because >he's selling us down the creek. > >JH: Well, sir, we've got to all get in this thing and work together >just as Mr. Hall said earlier. There is a way to do it, and it is by >getting involved in the system. If we've got bad people in it, let's >get them out. Let's put some decent people in there. Back to the old >adage of Edmund Burke -- we've said it I don't know how many times -- >"Evil prospers when good men do nothing." If we're not doing >anything, that's why evil is prospering. We've got to change that. > >XX: I called six to ten Congressmen last week and I just tell them we >don't like this GATT, we don't like NAFTA, we don't like gun control, >we don't like. . .and also I called the Senators, too, like you >recommended. . . > >JH: Thank you, sir. > >XX: . . .about this biological diversity, and I called them about >that. Well, nice talking to you sir. > >JH: Lee, thank you very much and just keep up the good work, sir. >Thank you. > >XX: You might not remember me. I'm the one that was in the >legislature for 24 years. > >JH: Oh, yes! Okay! Absolutely! Well God bless you, sir. Yeah, >yeah. You know, I'm terrible on names, but the voice kept ringing a >bell and I was saying to myself, "I know I've talked to this gentleman >before. He has been involved in government." Great! All right! > >XX: You talk to thousands of people, but you do a wonderful job. > >JH: Thank you, Lee. I appreciate your call. Keep up the good work. >We move from Covington, Indiana, to the great State of Kansas where >Steve is holding, and good evening, Steve. > >XX: I want to inform the people across the country. . .Steven Higgins >started out in Omaha, Nebraska, for IRS in 1961 and then he was >transferred to Dallas, Texas, in 1963. Then he had a big promotion >after that -- he went up the ladder fast. He went to Chicago, then to >Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and then back to Houston, possibly 1972. >I was wondering what Mr. Higgins was doing this date. > >JH: Mr. Hall, was Mr. Higgins a scapegoat in this situation? [Steven >Higgins was in charge of the BATF at the time of the initial assault.] > >DH: I don't think so. He was a big part of it and of course he's not >working now, but he does draw a government pension. > >JH: I mean, was he a sacrificial lamb? > >DH: Well I think that he may have been that to have got the heat off. >That was the word we got early on that the five people that was >dismissed by Bentsen [Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen] was basically >to get the heat off. . .and that was from some of the field agents. >The field agents themselves will tell you, many of them will, that >this was basically a cover-up and this was the ATF that I talked with >in this respect. Also earlier on, you talked about Ann Richards of >Texas. She knew full well that that story was fabricated. We have >sources with the ATF that have told us that. > >JH: All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we're up against a break. Let's >take our break at this point and again remind you that our telephone >number is 1-800-TALK-YES, 1-800-825-5937. General Manager of KPOC >television, Ponca City, Oklahoma, David Hall is with us. Washington >On Trial will continue. > >[Break] > >JH: Back to our phones. Kansas City, and Ann is on-line. Hello, Ann. > >XX: Hello. I want to thank you both for what you do for our country, >your perseverance and your research. Possibly I'm asking you a stupid >question. In listening to the Senate Whitewater hearings some of the >times they referred to the Waco meeting with Roger Altman and the >Treasury Department. Is that because the ATF is under them? I feel >like Bentsen is buried to his ears [? garbled here] in this Waco. > >JH: Of course, Mr. Hall, correct me if I'm wrong, but the BATF >certainly is part of the Treasury Department. The buck stops, at >least in theory, with Lloyd Bentsen there. As far as the Waco meeting >itself, I'm drawing a blank right now on exactly what they might have >reference too there. > >DH: I'm doing the same thing. One thing that comes to mind -- all of >these people are from that area, basically from Waco. > >XX: I know they are, and I really feel like there's some motive there >besides the BATF wanted to get more money for themselves. > >JH: Well you remember of course at that time the BATF was about to be >disbanded. The talk around Washington was that they were an >organization that had served their purpose, they were not needed any >longer. They basically were the Prohibition Police when they came >into existence, and when the Prohibition Amendment was repealed, there >was no reason to keep them. They added tobacco and firearms into it >and tobacco is not near the problem certainly that it was at one time. >Firearms are not near the problem they make it out to be. So they >were about to be disbanded or at least merged with some other >organization, and they needed -- and it has been freely admitted -- >they needed a feather in their cap. > >XX: It seems like there were other motives. I'm wondering about the >property as well as. . . > >JH: Mr. Hall, who has the property? > >DH: The Branch Davidians have the property. There's 77 acres left and >900 acres that was there, and they do have that property. My >understanding is they're going to, probably in the near future, set a >church up on the site. > >JH: So there will be reconstruction on the site? > >DH: That's the information I have at this time. Another thing that >might be interesting to note, the ATF code name for this operation was >"Showtime". > >JH: Exactly. It was. . .even as they state in their report, it was to >be a dynamic entry, and by that they mean a "showtime" entry. . .it >was flash-bang grenades, it was yelling and screaming, it wasn't going >up to the door and knocking and on the door and saying, "We have a >warrant. May we come in?" as a normal situation would be. It was >literally as the name suggests, showtime. Ann, thank you. Let's move >from Kansas City to Maryville, Tennessee this evening. In Maryville, >Tennessee, it's Tom. Good evening, Tom. > >XX: This is the first time I've ever heard your show, and I've been >doing research myself for the past four or five weeks and have been on >some talk shows around here bringing on some stuff on regionalism and >the government. Very quick question, I want to get on and off. One, >will the tape that has been made be available for sale, and if so, >where can it be gotten? And number two, I have heard rumor, cannot >confirm, do not know, were there actually British SAS or foreign >troops at the Waco scene during the time period? Thank you. > >DH: Okay, in answering his question, Jerry, we know that British >Intelligence -- now who they were. . .you know, I assume that British >Intelligence is like the CIA, I don't know that. All we know is that >they were with British Intelligence. I, again can't say who they were >with. There was another question, I forgot what it was. > >JH: Okay, the other question was are you going to make the program >available in the form of a videotape? > >DH: To my knowledge right now, I think that through your network it is >going to be made available. > >JH: Good. Okay. We'll certainly, when we get the full information on >that, we'll pass it along to folks. Ladies and gentlemen, again check >your local listings. September the 19th will be date of the program. >. ."Waco: What Really Happened", or at least an investigative report >on Waco. Is that the working title, "Waco: What Really Happened"? > >DH: No, it's "Waco Incident: The True Story". > >JH: "Waco Incident: The True Story". Check your local listings and >see the stations in your area that will be carrying it. If not, >encourage one of them to carry it. It will be made available on a >nationwide feed by a satellite of course, and if they need more >information they can contact, well they can contact, I guess, Mr. >Hall, they can contact you at KPOC, the stations can. > >DH: Right. > >JH: Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. It's break time. We'll be >back with your calls at 1-800-TALK-YES, 1-800-825-5937. "Washington >On Trial" from the Peoples' Radio Network will continue shortly. > >[Break] > >JH: And to our phones to the great State of Idaho, and Jim is on-line. >Hello, Jim. > >XX: Yeah, I have a question about the Waco incident. Seeing that >there are a lot of people against the new world order, and there are a >lot of groups organized, both religious and non-religious, that kind >of watch out for each other and are preparing for the worst, does your >guest seem to think there'll be more of these incidents. > >DH: Of course early on we had information that the Justice Department >was looking at four or five different groups, and I think that since >our story has started, and a lot of the information has been broken, >that they're going to be a little reluctant about accellerating >attacks against religious organizations. I think that it slowed them >down to a great deal, a great degree. I've talked with people in the >Justice Department, John Russell, who's an aide to Janet Reno, and of >course he initiated an action against a church in Minnesota back four >or five months ago and I've talked with him about that and different >things. I believe the trend right now, their trend would be to >low-key it, keep quiet for a while, and I think that's what they're >doing. They're just sitting still. > >XX: You mean they'll use the IRS? > >DH: Well, I don't know that they're going to use anyone to attack >anyone. I think that right now they run the risk. . .you know, we >have basically here information that's going to indict them. And I'm >being quite frank about that. I don't think they want any more >problem. I think they're preparing for the fight on the front that >they've got coming at them right now, and I think that the Clinton >government has that, you know, they know this front is moving towards >them. I can't talk to any Senator or any Congressman that doesn't >already know about information that we have and has already. . .you >know, people across the United States have written letters to them and >we even had some of the Congressmen call us. So, I would encourage >people to continue to write letters because certainly the FBT, ATF, >Internal Revenue Service, they know these things are coming, and >there's people that are working in areas that probably you don't even >know about at this time, like re-structuring the IRS. Bills and >different things are being written. So I think. . .I don't think that >there's any need for anyone to. . .I wouldn't want to encourage anyone >to think about arming themselves, doing maneuvers, things like this. >I don't think that that's necessary. I think that government is >pushing towards the GATT bill, but I don't know that that's going to >be passed. The Congressmen are telling me they're not going to vote >for it because I think that talk radio has played a big. . .it's the >only thing that can stop it at this point in time, and probably will. > >JH: Jim and Mr. Hall both, I believe that you will agree with me, that >our adversaries -- and I mean that only in the sense now that they >would wish to have socialism in this nation and we would wish for the >Constitutional Republic that it is supposed to be -- our adversaries >are not dummies, they're not fools by any stretch of the imagination, >and they know about the undertow, they know about the undercurrent >that, Mr. Hall, you referred to earlier, they know that a lot of >silent people -- and by that I mean people who are not big campaign >contributors, people who are not party attendees in that they don't go >to parties and the teas for the candidates, but folks who vote and >folks who pay taxes and folks who have jobs and as Mr. Hall suggested, >folks who are armed. They know they are upset. And the last thing >they want to do is have their house of cards come tumbling down around >them. They've done very well, thank you, they've done very well >taking us over with gradualism. They've done very well with the old >thing of two steps forward and one step back. And I don't believe >they're going to do anything right now with people watching to change >that. I think they're going to continue their course and just play >the same game they've been playing. > >XX: Well, I sure hope so, because I've seen an accelleration in the >pace of the gradualism in the last year. > >JH: Well I agree with you that certainly has happend, but I believe >that probably because of Waco, and probably -- and I say this and hope >that people don't take it the wrong way -- Bill Clinton is probably >one of the best things that has happened to the United States of >America in the last 50 years, because he has galvanized the American >people and he has awakened more people than anybody else I know. Mr. >Perot and Mr. Clinton are responsible getting more people involved in >the political process than probably anyone else in modern-day history. >Mr. Perot did it in a good way, Mr. Clinton did it in a roundabout >way. But folks are fed up. People are tired of all this stuff and >they're looking for answers, and if they don't find them pretty >quickly, they're going to manufacture the answers themselves by >getting rid of a bunch of scoundrels and scalawags, putting, >hopefully, some decent people in their place, and once we do that, >hopefully we will not repeat or continue to make the mistakes of the >past. > >XX: A good grand jury investigation into Bill Clinton would sure make >him scared, wouldn't it? > >JH: A good grand jury investigation led by prosecutor who would not be >afraid of losing his nice, cushy job. > >XX: Exactly. There ain't very many of them. > >JH: Jim, I appreciate your call, sir. Thank you. How many, if I >might just > use the term Mr. Hall, how many common folks have you and >reporters and your team talked to -- John Does, Mary Does, how many >have you talked to, and what seems to be the consensus of the people? >Do they seem to think that Waco was a necessity? Do they think it was >murder? Do they think it was an accident? What do they think? > >DH: We've talked with people all over the country, and people believe >it was out and out murder. Locally here, we're involved in the >different cities that surround us because of our news department, with >police departments and things. We've shared information with them >about Waco. Of course, they have certainly a different outlook on the >FBI, the ATF and the United States government than they did, say a >year ago. Of course, we're dealing with patrolmen, chiefs of police >and people like that. Other people out on the street we encounter on >a. . .basically in a daily business. We have locally here, the >interest in the story that we're doing, we have people call the >station every day locally wanting to know about this story. So >there's a lot of interest, and it's waking up a lot of people. These >people here are talking to the same people in Congress and Senate that >I talk with because the Senators and Congressmen tell me. So they, >you know, we've stirred up a hornet's nest here and it's going to run >its course. We've pledged ourselves to see this thing out. Normally, >the normal thing you do with a story like this is you, well you don't >normally have a story like this, I can't say that with this type of >thing, but the normal thing would be that you do your story and then >let the chips fall. But there was so much wrongdoing in this thing >that it. . .all of us that were involved with it, it took us out of >the scope of the news business. It took us out of the scope of the >news business. It took us into a different scope altogether, because >we were fearful that the people that were involved in this atrocity -- >and I have to call it an atrocity -- would not be prosecuted, would >not be put under a microscope and looked at, and so we made that our >job, right along with doing the movie. We didn't have to take >criminal investigators down there. We didn't have to go to court. We >could have put this thing off and done it this way or that way, but we >had a drive. We saw -- and I think each and every individual that was >involved in this story -- saw this country just crumbling around us >here, and that we couldn't, you know, we somehow had to do something >about it. So that's why we took all the actions that we did, the >legal maneuvers and the Senate Judiciary Report and all those things. >As the months of September and October roll along, I think more and >more people will hear about it in Congress and in the Senate. > >JH: Ladies and gentlemen, let's take our break. When we come back, we >will continue with our guest, David Hall, General Manager of KPOC, >Ponca City, Olkahoma, talking about their investigation into Waco and >the television special that will be coming up on the 19th of >September. Your calls at 1-800-TALK-YES when we continue in two >minutes. > >[Break] > >JH: And Laredo, Texas, on-line. Darrell, good evening. > >XX: Just a couple of comments, then I've got a question of your guest. >A little breath of fresh air, maybe. . .I noticed over on C-SPAN today >they were discussing the anti-crime bill. There were Congressmen >Gekas and McCollum [George W. Gekas, R-PA and Bill McCollum, R-FL], >all Republicans incidentally, that were violently opposed to it, and >they were in the House Rules Committee and they were putting on some >pretty good arguments in there about how they can stop it. You know, >whether or not it'll work, but at least we've got a couple of them up >there on our side. > >JH: Keep calling and writing, absolutely. > >XX: In my pre-For The People days, when Waco first hit the news, I was >taken in like I think probably 95% of the Americans were, that, hey, >you know, we've got something going here, and our government's taking >care of it for us. But the longer it went on, the more I could see >through it and the more information I get on it, the more I'm amazed >at how the government is just running rampant over the People. > >JH: Regrettably, sir, probably the vast majority of the American >people were taken in. The coverage was very slanted, the information >that was being released was very slanted. It's no wonder that many of >us were taken in. But as you suggest, in the aftermath a lot of us >have had our eyes opened. > >XX: Yes indeed. Mr. Hall, this telecast you're going to put on >September 19th, is that going to be on any network transmission? > >DH: A lot of the independent stations, and there will be some network >stations that carry it, it'll just be up in the air, and they'll pull >it down. There's about 140. . .in your area, I'm not, I don't know if >there's a station there that's going to carry it or not. I know that >Dallas has three stations carrying it. Houston, there's a Houston >station that's carrying it. > >XX: If it's not in Spanish, I probably won't get it down here. I do >have satellite, though. Will it be on any of the satellites and can >you give me the number? > >DH: I don't know the number of the satellite, but it will be on >satellite and it won't be scrambled or anything, so anybody can pick >it up on satellite. > >XX: How can I find out without looking through all 487 satellite >transponders? > >DH: If you call the station tomorrow, somebody there could tell you. > >XX: Can you give me a number, please? > >DH: It's 405-767-8827, and somebody there can tell you. > >XX: Okay. You're making me proud of the Okies. Even we don't see the >Cotton Bowl much any more. > >DH: I was in in Waco not long ago. . . or down to Laredo -- I've been >there a time or two -- and I know some people there, at any rate I >thought I'd pass that on to you. > >XX: Next time you're this way, give me a holler and we'll get >together. Good talking to you. > >JH: 1-800-TALK-YES, 1-800-825-5937. Snyder, Texas, staying in the >Lone Star State. Bill, good evening. > >XX: Thank you so much for the show you're putting on for us tonight. >The question I have is this. The people who have been sentenced, I >think unjustly, down in Austin after the massacre we had there, what >is the possibility of those poor people being released from prison? I >don't think they should be there to start with. > >DH: I believe that probably the attorneys, or other attorneys, will >probably file for a new trial. Those people, by the way, are in >Oklahoma, some of them are, today, at the federal reformatory at El >Reno. [About 50 miles west of Oklahoma City. Ponca City is about >halfway between Wichita and Oklahoma City.] > >XX: At El Reno. > >DH: And we're in touch with some of those people. Let's see, I'm >trying to think. . .Livingston Fagan is there, and Renos Adrian [sp?], >he's there. And then at Three Rivers, Texas, there's a couple of them >there and one of them in Louisiana. But I do believe that the >evidence that we're bringing to the Senate will have something to do >and have an impact on their situation. [Three Rivers is about 60 >miles northwest of Corpus Christi, about a third of the way from >Corpus Christi to San Antonio. You can find Louisiana on your own.] > >XX: Well, listen, you don't know how much I appreciate what you're >doing. My hat's off to you. > >DH: Well, thank you very much. Our agenda has been to get the right >people prosecuted and do something to get these boys out of jail, and >that's what we. . . > >XX: We just don't seem to have enough people in the world like you. > >DH: [Laughing] Well, I'm sure they're out there. > >XX: Well, we really appreciate you, we also appreciate our radio >station here in Snyder, KSNY, for bringing your show to us. > >JH: Absolutely. We thank the station. > >XX: Thank you so much. > >DH: You bet. I want to say something, Jerry. People in the cities >where the radio stations are carrying you all -- and I say that as an >Oklahoman, "you all" you noticed -- they should be proud of those >stations. > >JH: Well, in Alabama we said "you'uns" rather than "you all", and I >guess we all have our differences there. We certainly appreciate our >affiliate stations. Without them, obviously, the program would not be >on the air. Let's cover again, for folks who might just be tuning in >-- of course we're talking with David Hall, the General Manager of >KPOC in Ponca City, Oklahoma. If you're a regular listener, you will >remember back in late June, I believe it was, Mr. Hall and his >daughter, Christina, were on. Christina is an investigative reporter, >a journalist who had been in the Waco area and had been gathering a >lot of information for an accurate report, the truth on Waco. That >work will be contained in a two hour special program that will be >available for viewing across the United States of America on many >independent as well as some network television stations -- consult >your local listings. It'll be on the evening of September the 19th of >1994. Eastern time is going to be 8 or 9, is that correct? > >DH: That's correct. > >JH: All right. If you want to check with your local station, check >first maybe with your VHF or UHF independents, then check with the >others. If nobody is carrying it, encourage them to do so. Now, Mr. >Hall, what kind of clearance would a local station need? Do they just >contact KPOC about that? > >DH: We have -- I don't have the number here at the house -- the >syndicator is in California that's shooting that up, and Ray Horn >[sp?] is handling that. The number is at the station, and if they >call him direct, it is on a barter basis. > >JH: So they can call the station and make arrangements at least have >the station get the number for the syndicator? > >DH: Right. > >JH: And that number again is 405-767-8827, I believe, for the TV >stations that might want to get in contact with the syndicator. All >right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to be taking our break. When >we come back, we'll be wrapping up this evening with our guest, David >Hall, General Manager of KPOC, talking about Waco, the truth on Waco, >the results of their long, and I'm sure very expensive, investigation. >Finding out about the cyanide gas, finding out about. . .well, just >many terrible things that a lot of us believed and a lot of us felt >was the case, and the investigative work of Mr. Hall and his crew >there at KPOC have pretty well borne out exactly what many of us >feared -- that it was indeed virtually an outright murder of >individuals inside that church complex. We'll be back in two minutes. > >[Break] > >[This heart-breaking poem is called "Lost Laughter"] > >JH: > >Yesterday, the air was free and the great bird ruled the sky. >A dream, an idea, time had come and brave men went off to die. >The eagle soared with hypnotic grace, clouds echoed her screams. >No one had to say a word, so long ago it seems. >A wind would blow across the land and every child would feel its > breeze. >"God bless mommy, and daddy, too!" before bedtimes on their knees. >"I want to go out and play. I want to catch a fish." >"Let's go pet the puppies, now. I want to make a wish." >But time waits for not a soul, so quickly passing by. >Lives would be far too short, the children were to die. >"Mommy! There's a bad man outside! I'm hungry and I'm thirsty, too." >"Why will little brother sleep forever? Is what they say about Heaven > > true?" >"My eyes are burning really bad and I cannot see my friends!" >"The fire is so very hot! Mommy, please make it end!" >Children's blood now stains our flag, tonight they play on streets of > gold. >Never to see those bad men again, never to grow old. >We watched it all come about, the machines of wars of men. >We did nothing to help those children, can they forgive us of our sin? >Where was the majestic bird that day? She did not take to flight. >Listen, citizen, to the wind, and hear the children scream tonight. > >[end of poem] >For the seventeen children, ladies and gentlemen, we must never >forget. We must remember tonight, tomorrow, the next day, the next >week, the next month, the next year, the next generation. . .never to >let it happen again. And thanks to the works of Mr. David Hall, >General Manager of KPOC and his investigative news team, on the 19th >of September, the American people will have an opportunity to see what >really happened, to find out about what happened on that April the >19th, 1993 day, when 218 years before, the fire from the muskets at >Lexington and Concord echoed in what was supposed to be freedom and >liberty for all of us. Mr. Hall, the American people owe you and KPOC >and no doubt a lot of your employees a debt of gratitude, sir. I want >you to know a lot of us are very appreciative for your work. > >DH: Jerry, what you just said -- we go to bed with tears and wake up >of a morning about those kids, and it brings tears to your eyes to >think about that. We're going to continue on until -- with your help >and people like you across this nation -- we're going to bring these >people to justice. I want to say that [voice cracks]. . .it chokes >you up thinking about those kids. . .and that's been our main drive >and once again to get these boys out of jail, and you're doing a >wonderful job. You know, I'm at a loss of words here. . .that poem >about got me. > >JH: Well, sir, I tell you what. There's enough for us to remember. >In fact, I think we've had enough martyrs in the United States in >modern day. I think we've had more than enough actions after the >Weaver situation, the Waco situation, and many others that we could go >into. We've had enough of that. And it's time for the American >people, it's time for We the People of the United States of America to >take our government back, to get involved, to work in the system, to >change it, to throw the bad out, to keep the good, and go forward and >never have to think about a Waco again. Sir, I appreciate you and I >hope you'll continue to keep us informed. Again, ladies and >gentlemen, on September the 19th, check your local listings between >8:00 pm, 9:00 pm Eastern time for the Waco story being brought to you >of course from the folks at KPOC. It'll be available across the >United States. Check your local listings. Mr. Hall, God bless you, >sir. Thank you for being with us this evening. > >DH: God bless you. > >JH: And ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for allowing us to share >this time with you tonight on "Washington On Trial." For the Peoples' >Radio Network, I'm Jerry Hughes. Good night America. > >=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ > >The KPOC videotape is available by calling (405)767-8827 or you can >write them at KPOC-TV, 114 W. Central, Ponca City, Oklahoma, 74601. >The cost is $23.45. (Cheap when you consider another cost could be >your liberty.] > >Late-breaking news -- in addition to the numerous lawsuits filed >against the government by surviving Davidians or relatives of those >murdered as well as the $150 million wrongful death suit against Janet >Reno, there has been a suit filed by former Attorney General Ramsey >Clark. If you're not familiar with Clark, he is quite liberal. His >is a multi-BILLION dollar suit. > >Clark's suit was filed in February, 1995, on the anniversary of the >original raid. Did you hear about it on your news or in your >newspaper? Probably not. He also made the announcement at Mt. Carmel >in front of at least 50 media trucks and satellite uplinks. It would >more than likely have made the national news except for another event >that day (April 19th, 1995) -- the bombing in Oklahoma City. > >Events which occurred on April 19th, historically: > > The colonists met the British at Lexington and Concord. The >British were coming to disarm them. > > The Germans and the ghettos. > > The explosion in the gun turret on the U.S.S. Iowa killed 47 >sailors > > The governor of South Dakota died in a plane crash > > The Gesta^H^H^H^H Government murdered the Branch Davidians. > >=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ > >There is a jerk on the nets CLAIMING to be with the FBI. He is saying >things that contradict with the testimony of witnesses (see >particularly around line 413 in this text). Either he is a liar, or >he is not with the FBI. He either doesn't know what he is talking >about, or he is lying. If he IS with the FBI, he is either lying, or >he is releasing (incorrect) information about a case that is not >closed yet. In any case, he is a lying jerk who should be ignored. >Too bad there are far too many government employees like him. > >With any luck, after September 19 he and all of his fellow federal >Gestapo stormtrooping baby-killing murderers will be out of >employment. No pensions, either, just out on their asses looking for >real jobs and struggling to make it like the rest of us -- IF they are >fortunate enough to get a job after people find out they are baby >killers. I hope most of them rot in jail for the rest of their >natural lives. The primary people (Ricks, Aguillera, etc.) should be >executed (Texas has the death penalty). Perhaps herd them into a >barn, lock the doors, and set fire to it. > >Under no circumstances should any of them receive any pension or >severance pay. And that's just for the ones who were marginally >involved. Anyone who was involved in the murders and the cover-up and >who has not come forward up to this point should be bodily removed >from office or job and charged with complicity in at least 87 counts >of first degree murder. > > >-> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com >-> Posted by: "J. Orlin Grabbe" <kalliste@aci.net> > > >
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