Time: Fri Dec 05 14:15:44 1997 To: From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: SLS: SSN Info from USTP (fwd) Cc: Bcc: sls References: <snip> > >Dearest Friends, > >In response to your inquiry, I recommend the following to be >one of the BEST sources for SSN info ... and anyone concerned >about this issue should immediately join the Fight the Fingerprint >email list and visit the web site which is now Web Mastered by Scott >McDonald. The latest 2 emails were on SSNs -- see below. > >Also, please forgive me if I haven't answered mail addressed to the >1776misc list...I confess that I rarely have time to scan through it >especially now that I am fighting the battles from USTP HQ in >Virginia. If you address me directly at: linda@tidalwave.net I'll >more likely have a chance to respond. > >PS - this address is for personal correspondence only - please do >not send me any multiple recipient mail or add to any list. - Thanks. > >PPS - feel free to forward this SSN info to all. > >Note - I'm sending this also to the Brigade and USTP list because I >know many of them are also involved in the battle against numbering >and cataloging of innocent Americans. > >For the Cause, Linda > >===================================== > >>>From: jmrandolph@juno.com >To: bearman@IN-TCH.COM >Copies to: linda@NETWORKUSA.ORG >Subject: Re: [1776M] Fob James Knoweth Not What He Doeth Date >sent: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:42:10 EST >>>>... > >>On Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:10:08 -0800 Michael David Heit ><bearman@IN-TCH.COM> writes >>Linda, >>First of all, praise the Name of Jesus....<snip> > >>How can one get rid of their SSN if one has been issued ? If you have >> no SSN, are you exempt from paying SS Taxes ? (FICA) God bless you >>in your battle, smile, Jesus loves you even if big brother doesn't. >>Mike Heit >> >>Mike - Two excellent questions. Should you obtain the answers please >>forward them on to me. I appreciate your posts. Much more coherent >>than others on the list. Keep it up. > >>God Bless! >>John Randolph, Sr. >>Robards, KY > > >=================================== > >Date sent: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:24:12 -0600 >From: "ScanThis@networkusa.org" <mcdonald@advicom.net> >Organization: Fight the Fingerprint! >To: "fingerprint@networkusa.org" <fingerprint@networkusa.org> >Subject: FP- New SSN Requirements > >==================================== > News from the "Fight the Fingerprint" Email List! > Reply to: mcdonald@networkusa.org > Type FP-JOIN in the SUBJECT to join, type FP-REMOVE to be removed. >==================================== > >Almost weekly someone will email to the "Fight the Fingerprint" web >page wanting to know if they can claim the federal tax credit for >their children without having, (or using), a social security number. >Typically, these people don't want to number their children and want >to know what the law says. Since the law doesn't say that everyone >must have a social security number, the question regarding claiming >children who don't have numbers is an important one. The "Fight the >Fingerprint" group is preparing a SSN FAQ to be released very soon >shich we hope will answer this question more thoroughly. > >In the mean time, here is a quick update on some of the new and >proposed requirements for SSNs that we may expect to see in the near >future. > >TAX CREDITS FOR CHILDREN > >The requirement to supply a SSN in order to receive the tax credit has >steadily increased over the years. And, this year Congress passed the >"Taxpayer "Relief Act of 1997" - (HR2014) which certainly will serve >to "relieve" you of more of your money if you don't use numbers to >identify your children. Again our "conservative Congress" as part of >the continuation of the "Contract on America" has imposed a new tax >stipulation designed to prod all parents who haven't done so already >to number their children. > >The law, goes into effect this year, states: > >"(e) No credit shall be allowed under this section to a taxpayer with >respect to any qualifying child unless the taxpayer includes the name >and taxpayer identification number of such qualifying child on the >return of tax for the taxable year." > >The IRS Code states that the "taxpayer identification number" is a >social security number. Many people are opposed to numbering our >children due to religious beliefs. How much more "relief" can we >stand? > >And how much more numbering can we stand? We may find out soon enough. >Two bills currently being considered by Congress will add still more >requirements for using social security numbers in order to...... >VOTE...... or to OWN A FIREARM! > >THE NATIONAL VOTER ID BILL > >The "Voter Eligibility Verification Act" - House Bill HR 1428 - >(there's a corresponding one in the Senate), will create a necessity >that all voters must submit a social security number in order to be >approved to vote. One of the bill's stated purposes is: > >"to amend the Social Security Act to permit States to require >individuals registering to vote in elections to provide the >individual's Social Security number." > >The national voter identification and verification legislation, if >passed, will establish a "Voter Eligibility Confirmation System" to be >maintained by the Attorney General's Office in cooperation with the >Social Security Administration. > >The confirmation system must provide the capability to "respond to >inquiries made to verify the citizenship of an individual who has >submitted a voter registration application, by Federal, State, and >local officials (including voting registrars) with responsibility for >determining an individual's qualification to vote in a Federal, State, >or local election; and maintain a record of the inquiries that were >made and of verifications provided (or not provided). [comment in >parentheses in original] > >Perhaps you can be comforted by the following statement which is >mockingly included as part of the Act. Section 2(h)(2) states: > >"Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize, directly or >indirectly, the issuance or use of national identification cards or >the establishment of a national identification card." > >This very same comment about "not establishing a national ID" is also >included in the "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant >Responsibility Act of 1996" - P.L.104-208. Why has our "conservative >Congress" passed two major Acts within a year of each other for which >they feel they need to include a statement denying that it is the >establishment of a National ID System? The reason is that it actually >IS the establishment of a National Identification System - and they >know it - but they think that telling the American People that it is >NOT will make it so... Classic "Double Speak". > >Section 3 of the Act permits the States to require social security >numbers from people registering to vote. > >Some states, mine (Alabama) included, are beginning to beat the drum >for state-wide "voter identification" requirements. Strong arguments >can be made for voter identification as a method to cut down on vote >fraud. But the same arguments can be made, and even more strongly >stated, for a National Voter ID - and all the same arguments can be >made even more strongly still, for a National ID System. Why limit it >to the individual states? If voter IDs are good, wouldn't a National >ID be better? If not - Why not? > >The States that are pushing for voter ID requirements, along with the >States that already have it, are furthering the cause and the argument >for a "de facto" National ID. > >NATIONAL FIREARM REGISTRATION > >Not enough numbering for you yet. Then perhaps you'll cotton, (that's >an Alabama term), to the other bill being considered that, like the >Voter ID bill, includes a requirement that you must supply a social >security number..... when you REGISTER YOUR FIREARMS! > >House Bill HR 1998, (that's the bill number, not the date), introduces >itself as a bill "[t]o disarm lawless persons and assist State and >Federal law enforcement agencies in preventing and solving gun crimes >by requiring registration of all firearms and firearm transfers and >requiring permits for the possession and transfer of firearms and >ammunition." > > The Act is called the "Yates Firearm Registration and Crime > Prevention >Act of 1997". The proposed Act states any person who owns a firearm in >the United States on the effective date, must register the firearm >with the Secretary within 1 year after the effective date of the Act. >It also states that it shall be unlawful for any person to transfers, >or receive a firearm in the United States without registering the >firearm transfer with the Secretary within 7 calendar days. > >To register a firearm a person must submit to the Secretary: "The >name, age, address, and social security number (if any), of the >person; or in the case of a firearm transfer, the transferor and the >transferee. The name of the manufacturer, the caliber or gauge (as >appropriate), the model and type, and the serial number identification >(if any) of the firearm." [parentheses are in original - >interestingly, the Act recognizes that not everyone has a SSN] And, >the application for a firearm permit must be "on a written application >that contains a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant." > >The bill also states that if a person loses a firearm or that a >firearm has been stolen from the person they must submit to the >Secretary, during the 48-hour period that begins with the time the >person discovers the loss or theft, a report of the loss or theft. > >The Act prohibits the Secretary from issuing a permit to anyone who >has been "dishonorably discharged" from one of the services; has been >"indicted"; uses controlled substances; or, has ever "threatened an >intimate partner". > >I wonder if this bill could be said to also "not establish a National >ID System"? I may be from Alabama but..... If we have to use social >security number to: get a driver's license, register an automobile, >establish credit, get a job, get tax relief, obtain a professional >business license, get a hunting license, get utility service, and now >potentially register a gun and vote - don't we already have a National >ID in the form of a social security number? > >========================= > >Date sent: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 14:19:51 -0600 >From: "ScanThis@networkusa.org" <mcdonald@advicom.net> >Organization: Fight the Fingerprint! >Subject: SSN FAQ > >To the email list: > >I am getting more and more questions sent to the "Fight the >Fingerprint" web page regarding when it is lawful to refuse to give >out a person's social security number. > >We are preparing a "Frequently Asked Question" (FAQ) sheet to try to >reply to the most common questions. Attorney Lowell Becraft is >providing the legal research material. We hope to have the FAQ >complete very soon. > >The FAQ can't provide "legal advise" but it can provide a very good >"guide" based on the law and legal principles. > >Also, there are some legal court challenges being considered that, if >successful, will benefit everyone by helping to clearly define when, >where, and how requests for social security numbers can be lawfully >imposed - if at all. > >To carry out this effort will require funding. Some people have >volunteered to help with funding in the past. Those offers have been >declined because we had no clear objective. Now an objective has been >defined, and an effort has begun to carry it through. > >This "notice of need" is being presented, not as a request for funds >per say, but instead as an offer of opportunity to be part of the >effort to stop the onslaught of new demands for a universal >identification number. If you are not in a position to help >financially, then disregard this portion of the message. This notice >is only intended for those who are in a financial position to fund the >legal effort and who also have a desire to help turn back the tide of >ever increasing demands for social security numbers. > >The effort is being called S.C.A.N. (Sovereign Citizens Against >Numbering). More information about the legal objectives we intend to >pursue will be available as the work progresses. We have no immediate >time table - but we are anxious to get started. > >The upcoming FAQ will provide more details about how you can help. > >Scott > >====================================================================== > _____ >___ / __ \_________ FIGHT THE FINGERPRINT! > _\._\________) > ( _)____) Please visit the Web Site at: >___ ( _)____) > \___( _)___) http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml > >====================================================================== > > >================================================= >Un-Authorized...Off the Record...My Personal Commentary... >.Don't Quote Me...Off Duty...No Connection With Anyone, Anywhere... >...This is NOT to be considered "Official"... > >Yet...I've been known to send out some darn good info so feel free >to forward this email to ALL across the Internet and the USA! > >News and Opinion from Linda Muller- linda@tidalwave.net > >Now Located in Vienna, Virginia and... >Fighting the New World Order from Taxpayers Headquarters! > >================================================= >Communist Party directive issued in 1943: >"Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, >discredit and degrade our critics.... When obstructionists >become too irritating, label them as fascist or Nazi or >anti-Semitic.... Constantly associate those who oppose us >with those names that already have a bad smell. >The association will, after enough repetition, become >"fact" in the public mind." -- 1956 Report of the House >Committee on Un-American Activities (volume 1, page 347) >================================================= >"The goal of the New World Order is to remove >God from His throne and replace Him with >power-seekers, who desire not freedom under God, >but freedom from God" - Howard Phillips - May 1996 The Wanderer > >"To a very great degree, the people who fund the Republican >party, the people who sit in its high councils, are people >who profit from the internationalization of decision making >and from the decline of the United States as an independent >nation state." - Howard Phillips - February 1997 > >"Congress has disobeyed its duty under the Constitution to >exercise all legislative authority. Congress instead has >delegated policy setting to regulatory agencies, to the UN, >to other institutions of the NWO, to the Federal Reserve, >to the judiciary, to the civil service, to the non-profit >sector, and to presidents, who have been permitted to govern >by Executive Order." - Howard Phillips - June 1997 > >================================================= >US Taxpayers Party http://www.ustaxpayers.org >450 Maple Avenue East, Vienna, VA 22180 1-800-2-VETO-IRS >================================================= >====================================================================== >= U.S. Taxpayers Party * Principle over Politics = >= = >= phone: 800-2-VETO-IRS mailto:ustaxpayer@aol.com = >= http://www.ustaxpayers.org/ = >= = >= To get info on the USTP e-mail announcement list, = >= send a message to ustp-request@lists.ustaxpayers.org = >= with only the word "info" in the message text. = >====================================================================== > >
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