Time: Thu Nov 28 08:05:34 1996
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:49:16 -0800
To: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: LLAW: U.S. v. Troescher

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Sorry!  I saw:

"myhr.lyle" <myhr@ulinear.com>

in the "From:" and was responding
to that name.

Are you sharing email accounts?

Anyway, Andrew, would you care to
elaborate for us on the differences
between substantive and procedural
due process?  I am anxious to read
what you have to say.

/s/ Paul Mitchell


At 02:36 PM 11/27/96 PST, you wrote:
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>LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA
>Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing
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>
>Don't you mean Andrew?
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>Lyle,
>
>Would you care to elaborate on the
>important differences between
>procedural and substantive due process
>for us here?  Thanks.
>
>/s/ Paul Mitchell
>
>
>
>At 02:27 PM 11/27/96 -0500, you wrote:
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>>LIBERTY LAW - CROSS THE BAR & MAKE YOUR PLEA - FIRST VIRTUAL COURT, USA
>>Presiding JOP: Tom Clark, Constable: Robert Happy, Clerk: Kerry Rushing
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>>
>>
>>This may be getting off on a semantical merry-go-round. The right,
>>privilege or immunity against self-incrimination is protected, regardless
>>of what you call it.
>>Also, the due process clause of the 5th (and 14th, even more so) is
>>widely misunderstood. Coke, Blackstone, the founders, et al all
>>understood it to mean judicial process due, i.e., indictment or
>>presentment and proper service of writs before life, liberty or property
>>could be deprived.  It is purely procedural and all "substantive due
>>process" decisions under the 14th were created from whole cloth by
>>judges. They have no constitutional foundation.
>>
>>--Andrew Lehr
>>
>>
>
>

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