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Subject: SLS: Foster Death Interview (fwd)
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>Subject: [Fwd: SNET: AEP : Foster Death Interview]
>
>This is the best information on the Vince Foster case so far.
>You must read this!
>--
>Doug
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>GEORGE PUTNAM and RAY BRIEM interview AMBROSE
>EVANS-PRITCHARD on the FOSTER piece from the
>LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH
>
>http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a1001055.htm
>
>3/03/97 GEORGE PUTNAM radio, RAY BRIEM dropped in with
>AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD's FOSTER piece from the
>LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH and interviewed AMBROSE.
>Later, RAY replayed the whole interview for his audience
>also. I will add their introductions here. Shadow
>
>G: George Putnam
>R: Ray Briem
>A: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
>
>George's introduction: A week ago this past Sunday, the
>NEW YORK TIMES, in a very fascinating magazine
>article, by a man named WEISS - and I know his politics
>[g] - I found it fascinating that they referred to those who
>are still talking about the VINCE FOSTER death as the
>'crazies' and they named the Chief 'Crazy', of course,
>SPRUNT (Hugh), and in addition to that, AMBROSE. Ray
>& I [boo hoo] were not mentioned as 'crazies', but we will
>certainly take that honor and we will proceed from there.
>
>Yesterday Ray called me at the ranch. He said he had a
>real bombshell for me.
>
>R: George, I want you to read the first page of this article
>& I'll read the last.
>
>[George reads the whole article, "Picture Points Finger at
>White House"]
>
>[Excuse me -- I'm listening to the reading but don't want to
>miss any great comments from our hosts. [g] Shadow]
>
>R: George, you know we've read these 'leaks' - the latest
>one by Jack Nelson - at the end of his story he says that
>the STARR people had been leaking this. [Ray reads on.]
>
>"Instead, the panel was shown an enhanced "blow-up" of
>a second generation photograph which had been cleverly
>distorted." ... Let me just pause here and say that you
>know this 'whistle blower' WHITEHURST about the FBI
>LAB scandals.. that they've been fabricating evidence
>among other things. All right. [Ray reads on.]
>
>"This theory might have held if it had not been for Miguel
>Rodriguez, the tenacious prosecutor appointed by Mr.
>Starr to reopen the investigation" ... George, you've talked
>about Mr. Rodriguez MANY times.
>
>G: He's hiding out in Sacramento. He WON'T talk. I've
>tried to reach him.
>
>[break]
>
>G: The Internationally famed, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard,
>one of the top reporters in the world. He writes for the
>London Sunday Telegraph. He has covered this overall
>story - of Clinton, the fiasco in the WH - he has
>concentrated on the VF story. I asked Ray Briem to come
>into the studio early to engage in this conversation with
>AEP, with whom we have the greatest respect.
>
>It's fascinating a week ago Sunday that there was a
>scurrilous attack on the so-called 'Clinton Crazies' and at
>the top of the list were people like Ambrose & Sprunt.
>Ray and I are a bit embarrassed because we weren't
>mentioned in this story. But Ambrose is on the line at this
>time.
>
>We cannot believe what we've read in your story, sir, but
>you've always been on top of it. Welcome again to KIEV
>in Los Angeles.
>
>Honest to God, this is unbelievable! A crime scene
>photograph from the investigation appears to prove that
>the Federal authorities have LIED about the case and
>perpetrated and perpetuated a cover-up that continues to
>deceive the Foster family, the U.S. Congress and the
>American people.
>
>How did you come by this picture, SIR?
>
>A: Well, I'm afraid I can't reveal that. I can assure your
>listeners that it is authentic and I know enough about the
>genesis of that photograph and the story behind it to be
>pretty sure of my facts. It's important because it's a
>unique testimony, if you like, of the crime scene as it was
>when the paramedics first arrived to deal with the body.
>
>Almost all the other crime scene photos of importance
>have DISAPPEARED. The original set of Polaroid's taken
>by the 1st Park Police officer on the scene have ALL
>disappeared. All the 35mm official crime scene photos
>taken by the Park Police technician were underexposed
>and deemed useless, and MANY OTHER Polaroid's taken
>by 3 other PP's have ALSO disappeared. All that was left
>was just a small group, 18 of them, which have been
>circulating among investigators. Only ONE of them was
>important and that was THIS one. And, it turned out that
>they DUMMIED-UP this one to mislead investigators and
>the Congress. They made it look as if it wasn't a wound
>on the neck; they made it look as if it was just a blood
>stain. All you could see in the dummied-up version was a
>smear of blood. In fact, they were claiming that that smear
>of blood was a 'contact stain' from the head bouncing
>against the shoulder, but, in fact, that wound on the neck
>is the ORIGIN and SOURCE of the blood that comes
>down the neck and trickles down the collar.
>
>G: And the EXACT location of the wound, sir?
>
>A: From the RIGHT hand side about 1/2 way along the
>jaw & about an inch below the jaw.
>
>G: Is there an EXIT would, because in identifying a body
>or person who had committed suicide, the entry wound
>was very small that I found in this identification, but it
>blew out the back of the head if it entered the mouth.
>
>A: According to the official story, VF put a .38 caliber Colt
>- fairly powerful - into his mouth and blew out the back of
>his head and there was an exit wound of 1" x 1-1/4" in the
>autopsy report, BUT all of the Paramedics who handled
>the body said the SAME THING, that they did NOT see
>any exit wound. One of them, CORY ASHFORD, who
>actually picked up the body from the shoulders and
>cradled the head in his hands - the back of the head where
>the wound was supposed to be - got NO blood on his
>hands and no blood on his clothes at all [a'tall] and did
>not see an exit wound.
>
>Furthermore, the doctor who certified death, JULIAN
>ORENSTEIN, at the Fairfax County Hospital told me that
>he didn't see an exit wound either. He kind of gave a
>rather bizarre answer, he said, "Well, I didn't look around
>there. My suspicions weren't aroused so I just didn't
>look." Which made me think.... but, anyway, he was not
>prepared to commit himself to the position that there was
>an exit wound either. So basically, we've got all the
>original people who handled the body who do NOT have
>a vested interest in distorting the case, saying they didn't
>see an exit wound.
>
>R: This is a blockbuster story! It's has to be the story that
>maybe 'undoes' this whole thing.
>
>A: Oh no. It will be IGNORED.
>
>R: You really think so?
>
>A: Oh, they always are. It doesn't make any difference.
>
>G: How can they? The national press has to pick it up ...
>TIME, NEWSWEEK, US News & World Report has to
>pick up this one, will they not?
>
>A: No. They'll just go on their merry way. Nothing will
>happen.
>
>R: You talk about the size of the wound being that of an
>old 'sixpence'. If I recall, that's about the size of an
>American penny, right?
>
>A: A dime, I think. About a dime. Possibly a penny, yes.
>
>R: And MARKS by a black 'stippled' ring. Now that's
>suggestive of a gun powder...?
>
>A: Yeah - it's sort of a DOTTED LOOK. It looks like
>ENGRAVING dots going around in a circle and they're
>black. That's typical of a gun powder burn. It would
>suggest that a gun had been pressed into the neck or
>fired at very, very short range.
>
>R: You talk about BRIAN BLACKBURN, the San Diego
>medical examiner and you quote him saying that he told
>the Telegraph that he had not seen anything that would
>indicated trauma on VF's neck.
>
>A: When I'd spoke to him last year, he was just finishing
>up his report. He said he'd not seen anything of that kind.
>
>R: Then there's HENRY LEE who testified in the O.J. trial.
>Tell us about him.
>
>A: He was brought in by the Starr investigation to review
>the case and in my opinion to basically try and find
>something that would justify a conclusion of suicide.
>
>R: We've seen the latest report on VF which is a piece that
>appeared in the LA Times and they announced that the
>final report was ready and sources close to the
>investigation said that it would be deemed a suicide.
>
>A: Well, Don knocked the ball across the net so we
>KNOCKED IT BACK!
>
>G/R: [laughter] You certainly did!
>
>G: It's interesting to me that so many people would have
>to be involved in this cover-up...
>
>A: NOT REALLY. The paramedics are NOT, they've all
>told the truth. Some of the doctors have told the truth.
>
>G: FBI laboratories?
>
>A: Well, there's a problem there. But in fact, many people
>have told the truth and they've just been IGNORED. You
>have the prosecutor in charge of the case - Rodriguez -
>who tried to do his job. Who refused to ___ on a
>cover-up... He's been ignored.
>
>[break]
>
>G: It's so amazing that each and every one of these turns,
>Ambrose, almost defies imagination. If you took this story
>to a producer in Hollywood, they'd throw you out of the
>office saying that these things can't happen at this level.
>
>Will they exhume the body and do you think there's
>anything left of it at this point?
>
>A: Well, it takes an investigation to exhume the body and
>I don't see any investigation.
>
>R: Dr. Cyril Wecht has now come around and said that the
>body should be exhumed.
>
>A: Yes. In fact he said it at the time that he was brought in
>by the Senate Banking Committee by Senator D'Amato.
>He told Sen. D'Amato that the body should be exhumed
>and nothing was done about it. You know, nobody wants
>to deal with this issue. Everybody who is involved are
>just turning away. They don't want to confront it.
>
>R: Do you have a thought as to WHY?
>
>A: Well, one obvious reason is that the authorities are too
>deeply committed to change coarse. You had, 1st of all
>the Park Police and then members of the FBI, then you
>had the Justice Dept. through the Fiske investigation and
>a number of people from the U.S. Attorney's office in
>Washington - which is an 'old boys' network out of a club
>- all committed to this. And then Starr takes over and he
>doesn't clean up the team. He keeps on many of the same
>people who were responsible for this in the first place. So
>his office is contaminated in Washington.
>
>R: I've said this many times in the past and I'll say it
>again... Is it not sad... is it not a sad commentary that we
>in this country have to read a foreign newspaper - The
>London Sunday Telegraph - to get the story???
>
>A: I suppose it is and what it shows it that American
>journalist's are under a tremendous amount pressure...
>they have to conduct their careers in this country or this
>city if they're in the Washington press corps and if you
>step too far out of line, life gets very unpleasant for you.
>So, in fact, it's logical that a foreign or an alternative
>source kind of newspaper would be the ones
>investigating this. It'd be too hazardous for somebody
>from a major paper to commit themselves to a position
>that's inconsistent with the consensus.
>
>R: The WH 331 page report quoted you verbatim on many
>things... that you were one of the 'crazies', etc., etc. That
>you were part of the pipeline of the conspiracy
>journalists, but they called the London Sunday Telegraph
>a TABLOID. It's NOT a tabloid, it's a full fledged
>newspaper and I understand that it has a HUGE
>circulation all throughout Europe.
>
>A: We're about 900,000. The Daily Telegraph is 1.1
>MILLION. The Daily Telegraph is the biggest circulation
>broad sheet in Europe.
>
>G: What is the reaction THERE to your story?
>
>A: Too early to tell. I think people just don't know what to
>make of it at this point.
>
>G: You say a prosecutor on the staff of Starr's staff has
>shown the photo to individuals 'off the record' including a
>leading forensic scientist in New York. May we have that
>reaction?
>
>A: Yeah, I didn't name the person involved... what I was
>trying to reassure the reader is that this photograph is
>AUTHENTIC... officially authentic... that a prosecutor
>who is currently serving on the staff of Kenneth Starr has
>been [?] to people to get their evaluation,
>
>G: What about Starr, any reaction from him on this?
>
>A: Not yet, I think it's too early.
>
>G: What about his tuff assistant?
>
>A: HICKMAN EWING. We'll have to see. I'll wait for a
>few days and see what happens.
>
>G: I cannot believe that in this world in which we live a
>thing like this can happen so close to the Presidency of
>the United States and go UNNOTICED!
>
>A: I don't know. It's very disturbing... I just want to make
>a point here... I remember interviewing, a long time ago,
>one of the paramedics who found the body and he told
>me that there WAS a WOUND in the neck. Now at that
>point - it was long before we had any documents available
>- I just thought that I must be CONFUSED. But he was
>ABSOLUTELY INSISTENT and then I did normal work
>and then we got more and more documents and we found
>that several of the paramedics saw trauma on the neck.
>The Fiske report said CATEGORICALLY that allegations
>that there was some kind of trauma were FOOLS because
>all of the crime scene photographs showed that there was
>no such wound. Well, that statement was an OUTRIGHT
>LIE. Because this photograph DOES show the wound and
>it confirms exactly what the EYE WITNESS'S have said...
>the paramedics who found the body... who have no
>reason to lie or conjure up some false piece of evidence.
>In other words, the Fiske report made a very specific LIE.
>
>R: You once told me that you believed that the VF, quote,
>suicide -- that the Vince Foster affair is the ROSETTA
>STONE.
>
>A: Yes, well, I believe it is. I think what's clear is that VF
>was being INTENSELY LOBBIED by a number of people
>surrounding the President in the days before his death --
>by the President himself the night before his death, who
>called him up from the WH, asked him just as VF was
>about to sit down and have supper at home, asked VF to
>come back over to the WH supposedly to watch a film, IN
>THE LINE OF FIRE, where the Secret Service agent takes
>a bullet for the Pres. if you remember.... to meet WEBB
>HUBBELL & BRUCE LINDSEY and others. Clearly they
>were trying to lobby him on something to get him to
>change his mind or take a position. He'd been lobbied that
>same afternoon by MARSHA SCOTT who we now know
>was in charge of that WH DATA BANK. He was lobbied
>between 1 and 2 hours according to VF's secretary behind
>CLOSED doors; a very unusual event....
>
>R: How about that previous weekend at CARDOSA's
>place with HUBBELL?
>
>A: He was lobbied during the weekend with the Hubbell's
>and others.
>
>Hubbell's REACTION when he heard about Foster's death
>is very interesting because he was in a restaurant in
>Washington. I'd spoken to someone who was with
>Hubbell when he was notified. He was ABSOLUTELY
>ASH STUNNED, ASH WHITE! He knew what it was
>about. I don't think he realized what the sanctions were
>going to be. I think that VF should have met THAT
>particular end absolutely stunned Hubbell. Hubbell's
>reaction was half FEAR.
>
>G: What was Hubbell's exact QUOTATION? I don't recall
>the exact words he spoke... didn't he say something to the
>effect that the 'ghost is up' or 'this is it' or ...
>
>[I'm sure someone on this BB can come up with the quote
>by Hubbell at the restaurant. I remember it being
>something to the effect that 'it wasn't suicide....' Shadow]
>
>A: No, I don't think so. He was so confused that he
>couldn't find the keys to his own car or where he'd parked
>it.
>
>G: Oh, wait a minute! Speaking of keys... what has become
>of CRAIG LIVINGSTONE? ... the two sets of keys and
>why is it HE was the one who went down to identify the
>body. The keys were NOT found at the scene, but weren't
>found on his person in the morgue!
>
>A: What we know is that the PP officer, JOHN ROLLIS,
>searched VF's pocket and didn't find any keys, even
>though it was a set of 4 keys and 2 rings - a quite a big
>clump.
>
>G: He's have to drive to get to the scene at Fort Marcy
>Park, wouldn't he?
>
>A: One would have thought it hard to drive without any
>keys. Anyway, the keys REAPPEARED at the morgue in
>the pocket AFTER Craig Livingstone and Foster's Deputy
>WILLIAM KENNEDY turned up to identify the body. In
>fact, the PP had said 'there's NO NEED to identify the
>body, we've already identified it with his White House ID'
>... Livingstone & Kennedy INSISTED on going there.
>Shortly after they were there the keys turned up in VF's
>pocket. The official position is, 'Well, maybe they just
>missed it the first time around and the keys were there all
>along.' I'll let the LISTENERS DRAW THEIR OWN
>CONCLUSIONS.
>
>G: Fascinating that they CAN'T FIND Livingstone... we
>can go to the moon, the Marshall's are out, but we can't
>find Livingstone... Mr. Livingstone WHERE ARE YOU?
>[g]
>
>A: [chuckles] Um, YESSSSSSS.
>
>G: Back in Minnesota, back on the farm, I used to run
>through the pastures avoiding the 'cow pies'. This
>administration comes up with a cow pie and their foot or
>mouth in it each & EVERY DAY!
>
>A: Yes, [g], I'm afraid it's a very CORRUPT group of
>people.
>
>G: [laugher] To say the least!
>
>A: And it's NOT going to stop. I'm very disappointed, in a
>way, to find out that AL GORE is also mixed up in some of
>this nonsense. I'd at least HOPED that somebody up there
>had some INTEGRITY, but maybe NOT.
>
>G: $40 million dollars worth according to the latest report.
>
>A: Yes, I was quite surprised to learn the DEGREE of
>involvement.
>
>G: DICK MORRIS said that the President could NOT have
>been re-elected without the help of Mr. Gore and his
>telephone calls. That's a statement today.
>
>A: Yes.
>
>R: Ambrose, I want to thank you for what you have done
>on my program and thanks for being with us here with
>George. An absolutely SENSATIONAL story! We'll
>watch for the FALL-OUT.
>
>[end]
>
>[I'll go on with the comments here and on Ray's show later
>that afternoon. You may appreciate the one's about our
>WW BB. Shadow]
>
>G: I want to thank you Ray. This is unbelievable and
>thanks for bringing it to my attention yesterday.
>
>R: When I read that to you on the phone, you nearly died.
>
>G: Uh yes... and there are many who wish I would. [g]
>
>[Ray Briem's show later]
>
>R: If you were listening to George's program earlier, I
>guested with him, we got Ambrose on and we talked
>about an absolute knock-out of a report that your will
>probably not hear about or see in the mainline American
>press.
>
>WHY do we have to read foreign newspapers to get at the
>TRUTH?
>
>[He ran the repeat]
>
>R: Now, you know if you're a computer buff, you can
>access this. They have an electronic telegraph or World
>Wide Web access code. I don't have that. I get mine off of
>a WHITEWATER BULLETIN BOARD on Prodigy and I
>have to thank JOHN CROWLEY for posting this. I guess
>he does this and others do it for those of us who can't
>access the WWW. [laughter] One of these days I'm going
>to get a NEW computer!!! We can really celebrate.
>
>Caller, John: I'm glad you replayed AEP's interview.
>MOST INTERESTING.
>
>R: And disheartening. I hope that people who will access
>this from the computer won't LET THIS GOVERNMENT
>GET AWAY WITH IT! Send COPIES of this to our
>CONGRESSMEN or SENATORS! Send it to the STARR
>people and say, "We want some answers!"
>
>John: I agree with you 1,000%. The O.C. Register said
>today on their Opinion page: 'Let the people know the
>TRUTH and the Country is SAFE.' Abraham Lincoln said
>that.
>
>R: [g] There's a light burning there in the WH. John: [g] in
>the bedroom.
>
>R: Yes, Motel 1600.
>
>John: Where you can stay the night if you have the $$.
>
>I liked another by Barry Goldwate
>
>R: 'A government BIG enough to give you all you want is
>big enough to TAKE IT ALL AWAY.'
>
>R: I have the London Sunday Telegraph web access #:
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/at?ac or you can register
>your e-mail address after http://www.telegraph.co.uk and
>access the story from there.
>
>See I don't have any of that stuff to worry about. I just go
>to the Prodigy WHITEWATER BULLETIN BOARD and
>somebody has posted it. [g]
>
>[end]
>
>Transcribed by Shadow 3/3/97 10:12PM PT
>
>
>
>--
>Jim Robinson
>
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