Time: Wed Oct 30 08:36:21 1996
To: "John Burr" <john.burr@qmail.eonetworks.com>
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: Unwanted E-mail from Rogers Cravens
Cc:
Bcc:
At 07:24 AM 10/30/96 U, you wrote:
>Paul,
>Are you talking about david e rydel?
Dear John,
No, but I am glad you
mentioned him too.
Roger Cravens is the
man I was referring to.
He allegedly works at
the Centers for Disease
Control (CDC) in Atlanta,
Georgia. If you read my
entire post below, you
will get the full story.
I personally believe that
the CDC may be complicit
in the "AIDS" epidemic:
you know, keep the doctors
happy, at all costs, but
that is just my opinion,
now, okay? And I am certainly
not an expert on this subject.
Perhaps coincidentally, my
email to an associate in
Macon, Georgia, is now being
blocked. This associate and
I were sharing some very
sensitive information
concerning the federal
government. So, there is
definitely a palpable motive.
Thanks, John, for the help.
/s/ Paul Mitchell
that a-hole has been sending me
>unwarranted email for a month...I finally retailiated after repeated attempts
>to be removed from his list...I programed the server mail manager to send 5
>replies for every message he sent me and delete his incomming message. I have
>not heard from him for two days now. Hopefully he got the message. I believe
>that there are agent provacateurs sending BS propaganda to try to get a
>reaction out of suspected dissidents. That is my opinion. I am only on LLAW
>and COMMONLAW at the moment...and I am keeping it that way.
>Keep your eyes and ears open...
>
>John Edward
>
>------------------------------
>Date: 10/30/96 6:30 AM
>To: John Burr
>From: libertylaw@www.ultimate.org
>
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>Dear Bill,
>
>I grew very concerned
>when I asked him to remove
>me from his broadcast list,
>and he did nothing about it
>for what I considered an
>unacceptable amount of time.
>
>Then, when he finally did
>remove me from his list,
>I did continue to get his
>posts to lists we share, and
>I was too upset to notice the
>difference. I simply escalated
>until it became a crisis for
>someone at his end, and we
>all worked together to figure
>it out. If you want to call it
>harassment, that is your choice
>of words. When he first put me
>on his list, I asked him why he
>did not first ask my permission
>to do so, and he did not answer.
>
>When I asked him if he was spending
>federal funds at the CDC to be
>doing what he is doing, he did
>not answer. I do not think that
>the man is being straight with me.
>
>So, with that introduction to him,
>I did overreact when he did not
>remove my name more quickly from
>his private list. I take full
>responsibility for failing to
>distinguish his private posts from
>the ones he was posting to PIML.
>
>When I figured that out, I apologized
>to him, and he accepted. But, now
>there are the two remaining problems:
>why did he put me on his private
>broadcast list, which he feeds very
>VERY frequently? And does he spend
>the better portion of his working
>day feeding the Internet, using
>federal funds for same? I don't mean
>to be disloyal here, but I have some
>very serious questions about what
>the CDC does from day-to-day. I feel
>I have a right to know answers to these
>questions, particulary his decision to
>ignore my question as to why he put my
>email address on a very active broadcast
>schedule without first getting my
>permission. Disk space may be free for
>the CDC, but not for me. Finally, I once
>politely asked him to do "blind copies",
>to prevent long recipient lists in his
>email. He lapsed into bureau-speak about
>his not having software which will do that,
>LAN policy, and some other garbage. I asked
>him why he could not make local calls to
>the nearest ISP, and he came back with more
>bureau-speak about CDC policy, etc. etc.
>
>So, my question is this: is it CDC policy
>to underwrite his day-to-day activities
>feeding the Internet with the kinds of stories
>he posts on PIML and elsewhere, and does the
>CDC also underwrite the work required to screen
>incoming email for reposting on other such
>lists? If they receive federal funds, and
>we know that they do, what is their authority
>to spend such funds in this manner, if any?
>Every American has a right to know how federal
>funds are being spent, because this is our
>government. Do you agree, or do you not agree?
>I await your answer.
>
>Thank you.
>
>/s/ Paul Mitchell
>
>At 02:48 AM 10/30/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Paul:
>>
>>Roger Cravens asked me to send you a note to explain a
>>misunderstanding. You have apparently asked him to stop sending
>>you unwanted e-mail and he says he is not sending e-mail to you.
>>
>>Roger does post a lot of stuff to PIML. If the header looks like
>>the one below, the message is not coming to you from Roger but is
>>coming to you from PIML.
>>
>>From: "Cravens, Roger D." <rbg3@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>
>>To: "'piml'" <piml@mars.galstar.com>
>>Subject: piml] C-NEWS: Heritage Internet Update
>>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 14:11:00 EST
>>
>>If you want to discontinue receiving messages with headers like
>>the one above, the way to do it is to unsubscribe from PIML -
>>harassing Roger won't accomplish anything.
>>
>>Messages that Roger sends directly to individuals always have very
>>long headers like the one below. If the headers on your unwanted
>>messages do not look like the one below, then they are not coming
>>to you from Roger.
>>
>>To: "Blanton, Curtis" <cgb9@CCDDN1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>> "Geathers, Sonya" <shg0@CCDDN1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>> "Thomas, Alda E." <aet1@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>> "Pollard, Robert A." <rap3@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>> "'Barbara J. Beier'" <73622.1250@compuserve.com>,
>> "Tom S. (P)" <76233.2610@compuserve.com>,
>> "Anti-Prohibition Lg." <aal01@teleport.com>,
>> Agent326 <Agent326@aol.com>
>>To: arnie <alerma@dgs.dgsys.com>, amervote <amervote@americavote.com>,
>> "matthew.sadler" <balchain.com!matthew.sadler@chattanooga.net>,
>> "Hon. Bob Barr" <bbarr@hr.house.gov>, Bill Cheek <bcheek@cts.com>,
>> "bill.dunn" <bill.dunn@channel1.com>, Bob Hall
><bobhall@telepath.com>,
>> "'bphipp (L)'" <bphipp@pernet.net>, butterb <butterb@connecti.com>
>>To: "Buddy Trader (PVT)" <bvtrader@mindspring.com>,
>> Bill Wells <bwells@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu>, cavitt <cavitt@juno.com>,
>> chuck44 <chuck44@juno.com>, David McGuire
><davidmcg@oz.sunflower.org>,
>> David Crawford <dcrmatt@vnet.net>, Don Allen <dona@totcon.com>,
>> "'D.W.'" <DW@randomc.com>, eplurib <eplurib@megalinx.net>,
>> ewolfe <ewolfe@wnstar.com>
>>To: "gary.saffer" <gary.saffer@channel1.com>, Gayle Van Horn
><gayle@grove.net>,
>> "'Harry W. Petree (P)'" <harpetree@infoave.net>,
>> "'William Cooper'" <harvest@whitemtns.com>,
>> Harvey Wysong <hwysong@atl.mindspring.com>,
>> JAQ57FORD <JAQ57FORD@aol.com>, Jill Cook <jcook@eagle.ca>,
>> JD <jd2@flash.net>, "'John Fulford'" <johnf@mail.emi.net>,
>> "'Robert Cooke (AOL)'" <kd4dpc@aol.com>
>>To: Larry Van Horn <larry@grove.net>,
>> Marc Chabot <marc.chabot@stat.pubnix.net>,
>> mbmartin <mbmartin@srasds.attmail.com>, mm505 <mm505@mindspring.com>,
>> Marvin Warren <mwarren@telepath.com>,
>> "W. K. (Bill) Gorman" <nitehawk@nethawk.com>,
>> Pa Research Guild <patriot@netaxs.com>,
>> Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar],
>> Patricia Neill <pnpj@db1.cc.rochester.edu>
>>To: RevCOAL <revcoal@pcnet.com>, "richard.dale" <richard.dale@juno.com>,
>> RightAway <RightAway@aol.com>, "Robby Noel (P)"
><robnoel@primenet.com>,
>> "Rob Schofield (P)" <rosco@cyberia.com>,
>> Roger Sayles <rsayles@aol.com>,
>> "Hon. Paul Coverdell" <senator_coverdell@coverdell.senate.gov>,
>> "'Bill Funk'" <skypilot@starlink.com>,
>> "Carol A. Valentine" <SkyWriter@Public-Action.com>
>>To: "Scott Hudson (P/S)" <sphudson@mindspring.com>,
>> "'Rickey Stein'" <steinda@umdnj.edu>, "'M.W.'"
><techno@mindspring.com>,
>> "'Microwave Rider'" <ticom@l0pht.com>,
>> Tom McKinney <TMckin4215@gnn.com>,
>> "'Kay Sheil (P)'" <vieamie@sound.net>,
>> "Collins, William D." <wdcollins@JAZZ.CYBERMEDIA.NET>,
>> "Patti Johnson (P)" <whitewolf@toad.net>
>>Subject: Liberty and use of force
>>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 08:31:00 EST
>>
>>
>>A voice of reason,
>>Bill Utterback
>>
>>
>>
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