Time: Tue Nov 05 08:02:33 1996 To: william barry <wbarry@loa.com> From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: 9 GB single letter drive Cc: Bcc: Dear Bill, Thanks for your comments. I will look forward to hearing from you later then, okay? (More at the end of this message ...) I am standing by. /s/ Paul Mitchell At 09:45 AM 11/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:24 AM 11/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >><snip> >>>>>> I am looking for a computer >>>>>> supplier who can assemble >>>>>> a dual-Pentium DOS machine, 64MB, >>>>>> with a 9GB hard disk (7200 rpm), >>>>>> a single letter drive ("C:") >>>>>> and the new OEM version >>>>>> of Windows 95. Please respond >>>>>> here. Thanks. >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>>Are you sure you want it all on one drive? >>>>>Your sector size will be huge, >>>>>and that means a giant waste-o-space! >>>> >>>>That's precisely the problem I am >>>>trying to avoid. One solution is >>>>to use DRVSPACE, but it will divide >>>>a 9GB drive into 18 x 500MB partitions. >>>>I want a single "C:" partition, but >>>>I want the version of Windows 95 >>>>which has a fix for the FAT limit >>>>of 65,535 entries. I believe it is >>>>called Windows 950, but I am not >>>>sure about this. I do not want to >>>>use DRVSPACE; I want a single "C:" >>>>partition, uncompressed, so that I >>>>can start building C:\FREEDOMS and >>>>load everything underneath it. >>>> >>>>/s/ Paul Mitchell >>>> >>>>Enterprises 602-922-1639 - www.hollyent.com >>>> >> >><snip> >> >>>> >>>>If anybody would like my 2 cents worth. >>>>I think a new fast and wide SCSI-3 >>>>drive would be in order. >> >>That's hardware. The problem >>with 16-bit FAT's is software, >>logical, I believe. The SCSI-3's >>are really beautiful though. >>JES has RAID controllers with >>triple porting: 3 x 15 devices >>per controller, and some PCI >>motherboards will accommodate >>up to 4 of these controllers, so >>get this: >> >>4 controllers x 3 ports x 15 devices >> >>= 180 disks @ 9 gigabytes!!! >> >>Have a little storage, maybe? >> >> >> It is just I don't see anyway around huge sector >>>size with a 9 gig un-partitoned. >> >>There is ... with the 32-bit FAT. >>I am being told now that it is >>version "B" of Windows 95 which >>solves this problem. The cluster >>sizes are optimal with the 32-bit FAT. >>(Sector sizes don't change; cluster >> sizes do change.) >> >> >> What are you going to do for backup, 9 >>>gig's is alot to lose at once. >> >>Iomega JAZ drive (1GB/disk), >>with incremental backups, e.g.: >> >> C:> xcopy freedoms d:\freedoms /m/e/v >> >>I have one on an Adaptec SCSI-II, and >>it is incredibly fast. Norton Disk >>Doctor (NDD) runs faster on it, than on my >>Western Digital HD with DRVSPACE. >>NDD just screams, believe it or not. >> >> >> Are you planning on a dual RAID setup or >>>just rely on a tape drive for backup. >> >>See above. >> >> I think you can do it with SCSI-3 >>>Drive and quite fast to at that. >> >>They are no doubt fast, but they >>do not accommodate the large FAT, >>without a modified operating system. >>This is what I believe at present, >>based on what I know (or think I know). >> >> >> As for Dual Pentium, I am using a Tyan >>>Tomcat 2 with Dual 133's running Windows N.T. 4.0 if you use Win 95 it >>>won't recognize Dual Processors so one will be wasted. >> >>Nice ... very nice. You are running >>more than 500 MIPs, then, yes? It must >>be very fast; how terrific! Green with >>envy over here. The 200Mhz Pentiums >>are clocking over 400 MIPs, uni-processor, >>so a dual-Pentium Pro is clocking 800 MIPs. >>We are fast approaching the GIP range >>(I can believe I said that :). The Micron >>machines are a nice mail-order source. >> >>Aha, I am stuck with Windows 95 then, >>is seems. Does the HPFS in NT solve >>the 16-bit FAT problem too? I am trying >>to avoid all new software for the NT >>environment. I have a lot invested >>in specific software that works for me; >>this is not a minor consideration. >>After much fiddling, I finally have two >>machines running Windows 3.11, and everything >>works (believe it or not). >> >> >> You have to run Win >>>N.T. 4.0 Workstation or Server or go to an OS/2 system. I know Windows 95 >>>won't cut it. >> >>So, I sacrifice the extra CPU >>for the larger file store. >>What I do is mostly I/O anyway, >>so this is a small price to pay, >>really. The extra RAM (64MB) >>will also help with speed, when >>several programs are running >>at the same time. >> >> >> but the Win N.T. 4.0 looks like Windows 95 on the face, an >>>easey transition to N.T. and with dual Pentiums Speed, Speed, >>>Speed,........... >> >>So, NT 4.0 with dual Pentiums >>will allow a single letter drive, >>without waste-o-space ... >>does that summarize it nicely? >> >> >>>Just my little bits of knowledge.............Later....Bill.........> >>> IKE CLANTON "The Meanist Gunfighter To Escape The O.K. >Corral." >> >> >> >>Thanks very much for all your input. >> >>This is helping me a lot to isolate my >>choices. >> >>/s/ Paul Mitchell >> >>=========================================================== >>Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S.: pmitch@primenet.com >>ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776, Tucson, Arizona state >>=========================================================== >> >>I will have to talk to a close friend who is a Microsoft Certified N.T. >Tech. I think he can answer the cluster size issue with a 9 gig >un-partitioned drive. Way cool. I am in no hurry. I want it to be right. I know what I want here: C:\FREEDOMS growing and growing, with the fewest possible restraints. /s/ Paul Mitchell > I will call him tonight and get back to you. I will appreciate that very much. I >personally use several 2 and 1 gig SCSI -3 drives myself and a DAT backup >drive for safety. SCSI-3 huh? Which one? > It's only a 2 gig DAT but backup speed is pretty good. I love the JAZ drives, because they are DOS letter drives with random file access. Very neat. I >almost went for the faster Pentiums but the price difference was awefull. You made the right choice, it seems. >The 133's seemed the best choice or the most bang for the >buck<G>...................Later........Bill........
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