Re: Deeds REPONSE-Any experiences with Allodials?

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: : : : : : : : Hope nobody minds my deleting the original question for expediency: : : : : 1) If you provide your e-mail address, I'll e-mail : : : : you directly with the name of a fella out west : : : : that deals with this type of info..he's super : : : : busy but knows about all the de factor vs de jure : : : : instruments dealing with "property."I hesitate : : : : to put his phone number/address out on inet w/o : : : : his permission, etc. : : : : Also: Surely some of these groups that deal : : : : with allodials/land patents and such would probably : : : : know. Search on these topics and some of these : : : : groups are bound to come up. : : : : Ann : : : The search was informative. Thanks. : : : Municipalities are perhaps raising the land patent : : : issues at time of incorporation, and at all times : : : subsequent in the event of annexations, thereby : : : establishing their PARAMOUNT interest in the land : : : under their "jurisdiction".Any additional pointers : : : are always welcome. A YES vote in an annexation : : : election, is perhaps akin to a feudal oath of fealty. : : : Does anyone know. : : : Property transfers that do not transfer the interest in : : : the land patent, such as warranty deeds, deeds of trust or : : : other instruments may only transfer the illusion of : : : color of title, keeping the patent holder as the : : : true owner, and entitled to his fief. : : COMMENTS: : : Good info on deeds..agrees with concepts of what I have also read on this topic. : : The real question is: Does anybody have first-hand experience with actuallly filing : : a land patent/allodial deed on their property and having it be "effective" with : : the local taxing authorities? I've not heard of suceess story in Texas, although heard : : (stories) in another state who supposedly got a "you're exempt" letter back from them... : : wish I had kept details but cannot confirm. : : My supposition is that it (may) help/at least delay with the "land grab", by "biospheres" : : and "Heritage Rivers", etc. (per a land patent researcher I know)etc. : : FYI: Just talked with a fella the other day (here in Texas) whose land had NOT been "rendered" : : but they found him anyway and put a lien on his property for not paying property taxes. He's : : trying to work on obtaining allodial deed, etc. Any success stories..please tell us. : : Obviously, my personal belief is that property taxes are the worse of all taxes, since : : regardless of what "net profit" or "income" you have, or you citizenship status, so : : those property taxes keep going up and up,and have nothing whatsoever to do with your : : "cash flow." HOPE TO GET SOME MORE POSTS ON THIS TOPIC. : : WHat's youre experiences..let us know...I'll share my experience : : when I have them..good or bad. : : Ann : : Try these for info. They're a little old, but : include cites from as recent as 1985 : http://www.mm.mtu.edu/~pecampbe/action-allod1 : http://www.mm.mtu.edu/~pecampbe/action-allod2 : http://www.mm.mtu.edu/~pecampbe/action-allod3 : I'm just conjecturing as to the actual obfuscation : that goes on. The county registrar's office has : received a NEW (and improved) system of recording : deeds etc. Involves computer imaging. On my first : cut through the micro-fishe reels I managed to get : back to 1960. Then the process get's harder.... : I am assuming that "the powers that be" have done : everything legal, so I am assuming that they have : raised the original land patents in their own name. : This in order to cement the legal and lawful connection : to the property tax (land rent) that they charge. In : terms with municipalities involved in annexations, : conducted under personal identifiable ballot, by the : property owners of the affected area, some process : must be involved after the annexation is completed, : in order to transfer the taxing authority from the : previous beneficiary to the new beneficiary. Perhaps : this is done by the municipality raising the land patent : in it's name, transferring it from the county. Perhaps : everything is done de facto, i.e. the filing of a property : tax return is admission that the government owns : the property. A neighbor had a fence line dispute. : Recalling a conversation from long ago, my neighbor : was made aware of an original land grant by the city : attorney (all this in an age prior to awareness). : Everything else seems to be out in the open, ready for : inspection and interpretation. Best place to hide : grass (definitely vetch or clover) is in your lawn. : How many property records searches are done with the : municipality as the subject matter? I'll work on that : one. : Of course in the normal course of modern real estate : transactions, the actual contract is never consummated : for lack of consideration (no MONEY transferred), so the : deed is worthless, and subject to challenge due to the : failure of the contract. Payment of money (in hand paid) : has to accompany and be witnessed to cement the transaction. : So without payment, the previous patent holder sits secure : through the invalidity of contract.

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